The Warden can let Redcliffe die, kill Connor, not protect Amaranthine ect
And yet all of Ferelden still loves them,. The Inquisition brings back stability to the entire south however, both countries are after them now. It's clear there is a massive bias and favoritism going on.
The Warden can let Redcliffe die, kill Connor, not protect Amaranthine ect
And yet all of Ferelden still loves them,. The Inquisition brings back stability to the entire south however, both countries are after them now. It's clear there is a massive bias and favoritism going on.
I suspect it's because the Warden is just one person... while well known and possibly quite popular, a single Warden will never be a real threat to either country.
The Inquisition is a paramilitary force that has fought successfully in both countries and is squatting right on their borders in a huge castle. Unlike the Warden, their presence is not so easily forgotten, a daily reminder of what neither country could accomplish on their own. The Inquisition's continued existence makes both countries look kinda bad.
Considering that Anders is always a grey warden in DA 2 it means that he was recruited.
In DA2 Anders is always a living ex-Warden who met Justice during his days as a member of the Order in Amarantine, so his status as an optional party member has pretty much been retconed.
Only means that SOME Warden conscripted/recruited him. Doesn't have to be the Hero of Ferelden. Maybe Anders passed thru Jader, then gets conscripted by someone else? As for the cat (the stated reason he left), someone else could give him a cat besides the Warden.
EDIT: especially since his gift (cat) is also optional.
I suspect it's because the Warden is just one person... while well known and possibly quite popular, a single Warden will never be a real threat to either country.
The Inquisition is a paramilitary force that has fought successfully in both countries and is squatting right on their borders in a huge castle. Unlike the Warden, their presence is not so easily forgotten, a daily reminder of what neither country could accomplish on their own. The Inquisition's continued existence makes both countries look kinda bad.
The Warden can still do some terrible stuff that is swept to the side as Teagan and Eamon pretty much worship them.
The Warden can let Redcliffe die, kill Connor, not protect Amaranthine ect
And yet all of Ferelden still loves them,. The Inquisition brings back stability to the entire south however, both countries are after them now. It's clear there is a massive bias and favoritism going on.
Something that's barely referenced in universe. I think there's one conversation with Cullen when he mentions that Leliana has a bit of a blind spot regarding the Warden... And I was like: "Only Leliana? No one's even a little pissed that the fact that the one person who could have overruled Clarel is not doing her Goddamned Job?"
Something that's barely referenced in universe. I think there's one conversation with Cullen when he mentions that Leliana has a bit of a blind spot regarding the Warden... And I was like: "Only Leliana? No one's even a little pissed that the fact that the one person who could have overruled Clarel is not doing her Goddamned Job?"
The only person who could have overruled Clarel is the first warden and he lost contact to the wardens in Orlais.
"Where is my 80-year-old Warden?"
"What about 85-year-old Hawke?"
"When will they bring back the 75-year-old Inquisitor?"
Yes, of course. I don't know who thought it would be a good idea to change protagonist but I hate this person (nothing personal, I don't even know if it was someone or a group of people)
Bioware is known for feels. Feels mean attachment. Attachment means, I need a book about my Warden even in Dragon Age 99. Or in Future Thedas Age 3478
You do know that Anders isn't a mandantory Recruit, don't you? If not recruited, OR if given over during his personal quest, Anders is returned to the Circle, where he escapes an eigth and ninth time before disappearing (which we now know is in Kirkwall).
For that matter, none of the companions in Awakening (that survive the joining or don't take it (justice)) are required to join.
How does he and justice meet then ?
From the looks of it, we will be facing hard hitting problems soon has the content starts, won't have time to worry about the warden so very little mention or none at all.
Two countries are mad at me, oh what about the warden are they...yeah doesn't seem likely...
Indeed I'd love it if Hawke showed up though I'm thinking we need an expert in killing rampaging Qunari 
How does he and justice meet then ?
Justice isn't a mandantory recruit beyond 1 mission. AND can die. Actually, Does die, so as to give Christophe's wife a body to morn or just to leave.
If anything, Hawke makes more sense to show up or get talked about then the Warden, for many reasons. Some which where datamined.
I would love more Warden, but unfortunately i highly doubt we will see any of him except for small hints like in Inquisition 
Very sad about it, but im starting to deal with it, if i got over the ME 3 ending, i will have to get over this too 
These two post summarize what's wrong about the Warden:
Bioware created an overpowered Mary Sue, which is far from unusual from them. The problem is that once they were allowed to turn Origins into a full fledged franchise, the writers decided to focus on the (much more interesting) tale of an age of turmoils, and OP sues simply have no place in such tales. (hence the introduction of the much more fallible -and relatable- Hawke as Dragon Age 2's protagonist).
These two post summarize what's wrong about the Warden:
Bioware created an overpowered Mary Sue, which is far from unusual from them. The problem is that once they were allowed to turn Origins into a full fledged franchise, the writers decided to focus on the (much more interesting) tale of an age of turmoils, and OP sues simply have no place in such tales. (hence the introduction of the much more fallible -and relatable- Hawke as Dragon Age 2's protagonist).
Except that since the Warden remains potentially alive, and part of Inquisition happens within his/her turf, Bioware writers had to invent a credible excuse to keep him/her away from the events, which in turn became another unresolved plot thread which will have to be dealt with one way or another.
Personally the main problem I have toward regarding a surviving Hero of Ferelden is that it seems that Orlais and Ferelden are fated to become hostile toward the Inquisitor... Yet Ferelden still adores the Warden who
- Unleashed Anders upon an unsuspecting world
- Went AWOL precisely at the time his/her presence was most needed
I'm personally fine with my Warden being off doing other vague things somewhere far away from the plot. Let me headcanon in my own details and that's enough for me. Better than bringing her back and changing her drastically from my "vision" of what she should be. Same with my Hawke (and, I suppose, my Quizzie in the next game, depending on how Trespasser ends). The only reason I wanted them in Inquisition, honestly, was the vague "they have mysteriously disappeared!" ending of DA2, but then that turned out to all be coincidence anyway, so now there's no need for the Warden to be part of the story, though.
Hawke does probably need to come back one more time, but just so we can set her off in an "around, but not involved" way as well, since Inquisition didn't really do that. And once that's done, I never want to see another main character reappearance again (unless that character ends up reappearing as a controllable main character across multiple games, I suppose). Referenced is fine. Directly involved should be a no-no.
I believe they will put a mention about the Warden in the next game, but in the same way we had in the Inquisition. In this DLC... perphaps Leliana can say something, but I think it's pretty difficult.
The Warden can let Redcliffe die, kill Connor, not protect Amaranthine ect
And yet all of Ferelden still loves them,. The Inquisition brings back stability to the entire south however, both countries are after them now. It's clear there is a massive bias and favoritism going on.
The Wardens are considered mysterious and people are fascinated by them. Add in the fact that they stopped the blight fairly recently and well then you get to legendary status with the people.
The Inquisitor on the other hand is dealing with political upheaval including the Chantry trying to discredit everything he/she does.
So yeah there is a bit of bias
The easy out that not many would object to: The Warden found a cure, but it was a one time deal, not something he/she could carry back to the order and implement. And then he/she went back to their LI/Amaranthine.
The Inquisitor is the holy grail of Mary Sues (the Warden can die becuase of the Archdemon, Hawke can die to the Nightmare demon) and is there any option to kill the Inquistor? Hmm, NO! I think not.
Patience: Trespasser hasn't been released yet 
Patience: Trespasser hasn't been released yet
What BioWare could do is mention that the Hero has died on this quest. Then, in a future game, we could pick up from where the Hero got to before they died and find the cure ourselves.
We'd find his corpse! That would solve them not being able to speak or be miss characterized!INB4 corpses have characterization
The easy out that not many would object to: The Warden found a cure, but it was a one time deal, not something he/she could carry back to the order and implement. And then he/she went back to their LI/Amaranthine.
Or they find a cure but it's like the fountain of youth in that Indiana Jones movie, the cure is tied to a location and the warden can either be cured and live free of the taint, but never leave the cavern it was in. Or deny himself the cure and return home to his/her throne/LI and go the way of all wardens...
I still hope the Warden-Commander appears.
Screw the Hero of Fereldan, let's talk about that other dude who you play as if the HoF died!
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