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[Char]

I find gods in games are too often used as a literal deus ex machina when handwaving is desired, so I hope that if the Maker is shown to be real in-game that there's s proper reason for exposition.

[Reznore57]

I thought Inquisition was , in subtle ways , dismissing the Maker existance as the Chantry teach it.

First there's no Andraste in sign , her ashes went poof too.

Then Corypheus , the dude is desperate for any sign of divine being , he can't imagine a world without a god , so I doubt he saw any sign of the Maker during the Golden city trip.

 

Then when you talk with mother Giselle , she says the Chant of Light is like a metaphor , meant to give a sense of something greater but the details of the story with Andraste are blurry at best.

You even get codices explaining there were many tales about Andraste and many cults with different story , the Chant of Light is just the story of the cult who managed to destroy all the others.

Also in WOT 2 , the miracles Andraste performed are dismissed as natural cause caused by darkspawn digging underground and creating  landslides.

 

And some elven lore are close to the Chant , some gods getting trapped for example...now we know for a fact elven Gods are a thing , and they did mess with events.And they can walk the fade in the flesh (Flemythal ) + Eluvian opening up to the fade too.

Solas isn't so familliar with the Maker , he doesn't dismiss his existance but well he just goes "yeah that god who just doesn't do anything , yeah maybe I could dig that ...but mostly everything comes down to people and their actions."

Solas pre dates Tevinter and the Chant of Light , unfamilliar with the Maker but knows about the Golden City and the Old gods...

 

So...it leaves the Maker in a strange place.It just something that may have created the world or is the origin of the world but probably not busy dealing with mortals affairs.

[sorentoft]

Usually I just with what feels right. My human mage believed, my human warrior was a closet atheist, and my elven mage was all about that elfyness.

[PrinceLionheart]

Considering there are other gods in this universe, it's possible. For what it's worth, my Warden was Dalish so he believed in the Elven gods. Hawke was agnostic and thought that the Maker or universe thought of him as a chew toy. My Inquisitor was a believer.

[Heimdall]

My answer to this question hasn't changed: Maybe, but probably not exactly as the Chant teaches about him.  

[The Ascendant]

I am open  to the possibility oh His existence, the idea that their is nothing is too terrifying to comprehend in a world of demons, dragons, darkspawan and all manner of monsters.

[Amne YA]

Well, at least human still has something to worship. unlike the elves cause we know now that their gods just elf mages. and the dwarf is linked to the titans so no stone worshiping. the Qunari  still have theQun religion. and the human the andrastian religion

[Lady Lionheart]

Sithis is the true god.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Sithis is the true god.

Only Mephala, Sithis its a night mother fairytale who never exist and noone know about him when brotherhood was founded. Sithis is a fake

[SnowHeart1]

I'm leaning towards a "no".

Spoiler

If the material world and the fade were once the same but sundered by the veil, then the golden city was once part of that same world, no? So, what did Cory and the other magisters find? Just another empty throne.

It could be there still is a Maker but thinking the golden city was the seat of the Maker sounds like just another error of these uber-powerful mages. so far every opportunity there has been for a "maker" to prove himself, he hasn't (except by coincidences, which you'll then have to take on faith, the classic conundrum).

Very interested in other views, though, particularly as I'm not a particularly close reader of the lore and codex entries.

[TK514]

My answer to this question hasn't changed: Maybe, but probably not exactly as the Chant teaches about him.  

 

This.

[Soulgazer]

The more we play, the more things that are attributed to the maker turn out to be not.

 

Black City?  Nope, likely Elven and was corrupt before the Magisters entered

Veil? Nope, Solas.

Andraste? Shartan was prooooobably Solas.

Demons? Spirits corrupted, or in the case of the great demons, some sort of exiled traitors to the Elvhen.

 

As time goes on, we see a distinct lack of gods, and would be gods turning out to be either powerful spirits or mages.  I fail to see why the Maker would be different.

[Girtuoklis]

Why not flying spaghetti monster or Zoidberg

[Gervaise]

After Trespasser I'd be very surprised if the Maker did actually exist.    The difference between Andraste's version of the separation of the material world and the Fade, compared with what Solas says actually happened, is so marked that it seems to me Andraste was misled by some spirit or demon of the Fade or simply imagined the whole thing.     WoT seems to suggest she was suffering from post traumatic stress for much of her late childhood and adolescence, and the version of her history is contrary to what is peddled in the Chant.    In any case, even if the Maker does exist and Andraste did contact him in some way, basically the Chantry teaches that he turned his back on his creation twice and takes no active interest - which is why the whole Herald of Andrase was such a puzzle to me since it did seem to run contrary to what the Chantry had always maintained.  Nor could I ever understand why people like Sebastian and Leliana were so disillusioned when the Maker didn't step in and stop bad events.    So basically whether the Maker exists or not is an irrelevance.

[Shadow Quickpaw]

The maker may exist in some fashion, but certainly not as the Chantry depicts him (especially given the revelations of Trespasser). For example, there was never a singular moment in time when all peoples everywhere worshiped the same god(s), so the Andrastian idea of "turning away from the Maker" is quite easily debunked. Remember, the humans are recent arrivals to Thedas compared to the elves and the dwarves, with the Qunari arriving after from the same direction (across the northern seas)

[Augustei]

I do.
Behold the Maker nonbelievers:

[Killdren88]

I do.
Behold the Maker nonbelievers:

If we ever meet the Maker, David needs to voice him.

[dragonflight288]

Yes. 

 

The Maker is Bioware. lol. 

[Miss Golightly]

My Warden and Hawke are atheists and my Inquisitor is a closet atheist. I have played a couple of believers before though.

 

Personally, I don't think the Maker is real.

[rpgfan321]

I think the question whether the Maker is real or not is still up in the air.

 

Solas did say there was a great war, but what about before that war started? Was there existence before that war? Was there another civilization the ancient elves could have been studying?

 

Even if secrets about the ancient elves is now out in the open, I still think questions about the Maker remains ambiguous.

[Renmiri1]

The Maker has to exist...there has to be someone giving these deities and titans their assignments

David Gaider

[Qun00]

Bioware will never acknowledge the Maker, so there is no point in doing so.

The Maker will turn out to be Gaider in the final game.

And Gaider has turned away from us... just like the Maker.

[stop_him]

Nope. The Maker is garbage.