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[Suketchi]

I'd be cool with an asexual romance with salarians. Tbh, that's how I hoped Tali's would play out. I think it would be interesting, especially since it's one of the few relationships where the human protag would definitely outlive their partner (via old age). We already saw the opposite (with Liara), though I don't think it was discussed much.

 

That's something I thought would be interesting too, experiencing a relationship where your character would outlive their partner's lifespan. I've never really seen it done before, the aliens are always the ones who have to deal with the emotional implications of staying young while their love interest ages, and eventually passes on.

[Salarian Master Race]

woah wrong thread wtf

 

literally the thread i was replying to vanished as i was writing the reply, and the reply got sent here instead

 

carry on

[Jaquio]

I agree. Tali was a missed opportunity.

 

Despite being an obvious Talimancer, I always thought that the Tali romance would have been better and potentially richer from a narrative perspective if sex was not an option.  And this isn't just for asexuals.  There are a lot of people out there who desire romantic affection and intimacy but are unable to have sex for medical reasons.  Turning sex into the end-all be-all for romance feels kinda... cheap.  I feel like these writers could do better.

 

I recognize some of it is fanservice and some of it is reflected in which writers left and which writers stayed.

[Salarian Master Race]

make it like real life and the sex comes first

 

then you get to know each other and decide if more sex follows

[Battlebloodmage]

Despite being an obvious Talimancer, I always thought that the Tali romance would have been better and potentially richer from a narrative perspective if sex was not an option.  And this isn't just for asexuals.  There are a lot of people out there who desire romantic affection and intimacy but are unable to have sex for medical reasons.  Turning sex into the end-all be-all for romance feels kinda... cheap.  I feel like these writers could do better.

 

I recognize some of it is fanservice and some of it is reflected in which writers left and which writers stayed.

Kinda disrespectful to say those who enjoy sex with their romance are cheap.

[Jaquio]

Kinda disrespectful to say those who enjoy sex with their romance are cheap.

 

That's not what I'm saying at all, so I could probably be clearer.  If you go back to other posts, I think most romances are better for it.  I wrote a long post about how not only the sex scene but the nudity in Cassandra's scene in DAI is powerful for character development.

 

I just felt that the whole idea of "well the lore says Tali and Shepard can't have sex, but, well, f*** it, if there's no sex then it's stupid so let's just let them have sex and hand wave it away" cheapened the authenticity of the experience.

 

On the other hand, Isabela jumping straight into the sack with Hawke in DA2 heightened the authenticity of the experience because it was true to her character.  Does that make sense?

[7twozero]

careful not to get reported for spam with that wordless image.

 

That's ridiculous, there are obviously words right there on the image.

[HK-90210]

Analysis: With few Salarians ever reaching 40, they will live for far less time than their non-Salarian counterpart. This will create a situation that will lead to a great deal of pain and suffering for the counterpart. Realistically, one could expect at most about 10-15 years of mating behavior before the expiration of the Salarian.

 

Recollection: This reminds me of another character the Masters created whose hastened demise caused players a great deal of suffering.

 

 

Statement: The prospect of seeing such pain and anger from the fanbase again fills my circuits with simulated glee.

 

Endorsement: Masters, please do this.

[Remix-General Aetius]

your people used to throw poop at each other..........

 

did you know in Javik's cycle you used to lick your eyes?

[Panda]

did you know in Javik's cycle you used to lick your eyes?

 

Wasn't eyeball licking very romantic/sexual trend while back amongst teenagers?

[Suketchi]

did you know in Javik's cycle you used to lick your eyes?

 

What did the Protheans do back in their primitive years, I wonder...

[HuldraDancer]

Wasn't eyeball licking very romantic/sexual trend while back amongst teenagers?

 

I forget the name for it but there is an eye licking fetish that exists.

[HuldraDancer]

What did the Protheans do back in their primitive years, I wonder...

 

Might not be primitive primitive but I have it on good word that they were really into water sports. I don't mean pee either I mean actual water sports, they are crazy about their jet skiing, synchronized swimming and water gun fights, hard core too, days without sleep just to win the weekly water balloon fight.

 

I should probably get offline now and go to sleep.

[Remix-General Aetius]

I forget the name for it but there is an eye licking fetish that exists.

 

that's DISGUSTING!!!!

 

 

Might not be primitive primitive but I have it on good word that they were really into water sports. I don't mean pee either I mean actual water sports, they are crazy about their jet skiing, synchronized swimming and water gun fights, hard core too, days without sleep just to win the weekly water balloon fight.

 

I should probably get offline now and go to sleep.

 

you're wrong. throw it out the airlock.

[Suketchi]

Wasn't eyeball licking very romantic/sexual trend while back amongst teenagers?

 

I forget the name for it but there is an eye licking fetish that exists.

 

EEEeeeeew whhhhhhy noooo O_o

 

...Well, If that's your thing, I guess that's your business...but NO WAY IN HELL IS ANYONE LICKING MY EYEBALLS, OR VICE VERSA. SALARIAN OR NO.

[Salarian Master Race]

that's DISGUSTING!!!!

 

 

 

If you think that's bad, some of you guys actually tattoo the whites of your eyeballs

 

like this guy:

 

[Former_Fiend]

Despite being an obvious Talimancer, I always thought that the Tali romance would have been better and potentially richer from a narrative perspective if sex was not an option.  And this isn't just for asexuals.  There are a lot of people out there who desire romantic affection and intimacy but are unable to have sex for medical reasons.  Turning sex into the end-all be-all for romance feels kinda... cheap.  I feel like these writers could do better.

 

I recognize some of it is fanservice and some of it is reflected in which writers left and which writers stayed.

 

You know, this is a problem I have with ME romances that I've spoken about before. ME 1 & 2 were really bad about this where the sex is essentially something the romance saved until right before the final mission like it was a reward for sticking it out in the game until then. Aside from feeling rather artificial in some cases(I understand and respect people wanting to wait until they're ready, but the fact that they're all "Let's schedule this in for right before we go to our likely deaths" and that the one instance where you can have sex before that is portrayed extremely negatively with Jack just feels stilted), it just kind of portrays sex as being the ultimate culmination of a relationship, when that isn't what it is at all. It's just another part of a relationship, and can just as likely be the starting point as it can the end goal.

 

So, speaking as someone who believes that sex with someone who you have a deep emotional connection to is one of the best things in life, I think ME 1 & 2 has this really weird approach to sex and Tali was a great example of that where they had an opportunity to explore other aspects of romance and intimacy and instead just lumped her into the category of sex being the end goal.

 

I think ME3 was better about this in some respects, and Dragon Age on the whole has been miles better about this. So I hope we're not going to see a repeat of what ME 1 & 2 brought to the table here. 

[78stonewobble]

 

You know, this is a problem I have with ME romances that I've spoken about before. ME 1 & 2 were really bad about this where the sex is essentially something the romance saved until right before the final mission like it was a reward for sticking it out in the game until then. Aside from feeling rather artificial in some cases(I understand and respect people wanting to wait until they're ready, but the fact that they're all "Let's schedule this in for right before we go to our likely deaths" and that the one instance where you can have sex before that is portrayed extremely negatively with Jack just feels stilted), it just kind of portrays sex as being the ultimate culmination of a relationship, when that isn't what it is at all. It's just another part of a relationship, and can just as likely be the starting point as it can the end goal.

 

So, speaking as someone who believes that sex with someone who you have a deep emotional connection to is one of the best things in life, I think ME 1 & 2 has this really weird approach to sex and Tali was a great example of that where they had an opportunity to explore other aspects of romance and intimacy and instead just lumped her into the category of sex being the end goal.

 

I think ME3 was better about this in some respects, and Dragon Age on the whole has been miles better about this. So I hope we're not going to see a repeat of what ME 1 & 2 brought to the table here. 

 

Hmm, being a bit of talimancer myself, I'm glad that it turned out as it did. 

 

I do believe you bring up some good points tho, but I also think that these might be a little beyond the purview of, essentially an action RPG. 

 

There are so, so, so many directions in regards to love, sex and intimacy... I mean, why not explore, "explore other aspects of romance and intimacy", where you bang someone on the side. With the approach that it is noble, because that allows people with sexual needs to be with people who can't or don't. 

 

Just an illustration, that it gets weird and a hot topic, pretty darn easily. 

 

...

 

Beyond that... I am, as allways, for as much choice, for as many people, as possible, but let's leave it up to the developers, to decide whether they can tell a good story in that area or have a good idea for one. 

[Vertrix]

I'm game, but only if he's wearing these:

 

Spoiler

 

 

lol I (Shepard) bedded a dinosaur bird with a cricket cat face, so I don't see why not. You know, I can imagine a similar conversation going down with a turian and his dad:

 

son: Dad? I...I love a human.

father: Son, that's just WRONG.

son: Why?

father: Because, son, they are monkeys...they have monkey's biology....would you bed a monkey?

 

...I still can't tell if your post is a joke or not, so I'm just going to respond as though you were serious.

 

A ) Salarians are amphibians, lizards are reptiles.

B ) There prooobably wouldn't be any 'bedding' involved, as Salarians are asexual.

 

That was possible because turians are mammals, while salarians are not. So a romance with a salarian would be 100% platonic.
Also, salarian's life span is very short, and they process emotions very quickly, so i doubt they could ''romance'' aanyone

[Beerfish]

[capn233]

I don't understand the difference between this salarian romance and simply having a salarian friend.

[Salarian Master Race]

I don't understand the difference between this salarian romance and simply having a salarian friend.

 

There is no difference.  To know them is to love them.

 

it's okay if you love my tongue more than you love me

[Quarian Master Race]

I don't understand the difference between this salarian romance and simply having a salarian friend.

I'd extend this to all asexual "romances". If there is sex involved (whether currently or at an unspecified date in the future), than it isn't asexual (even if one of the participants is). If neither is engaging in sexual activity (as would probably be the case between an asexual human and a salarian), than what is the difference between it simply being a platonic friendship?

Shep and Mordin were BFF's for me in ME2, and went everywhere together, but I don't think either of them wanted to bang. Indeed Mordin will "reject" you if you talk to him too many times without taking a romantic interest in someone else 

[Salarian Master Race]

indeed Mordin will "reject" you if you talk to him too many times without taking a romantic interest in someone else 

 

He said he is constantly bombarded with requests, after all.  His tongue brings all the girls to the yard

[Suketchi]

That was possible because turians are mammals, while salarians are not. So a romance with a salarian would be 100% platonic.
Also, salarian's life span is very short, and they process emotions very quickly, so i doubt they could ''romance'' aanyone

 

...Actually, I don't think it's said anywhere in the Mass Effect trilogy that Turians are mammals. If you know something I don't, I'd appreciate a link, because I can't find anything on Turian's having mammal physiology. Anyways, as I said, biology would be irrelevant as the relationship isn't about sex.  

 

Also, considering the fact that we've actually witnessed Salarian relationships in the game (Asari-Salarian couple) a Salarian's short lifespan and quick emotional processing is not the issue.

 

I don't understand the difference between this salarian romance and simply having a salarian friend.

 

Aha, I've been waiting for this one. What's the difference between an asexual romantic relationship, and just being friends? Here's part of an article that explains it better than I probably could, I'll include the link too:

 

Spoiler

http://www.therainbo...-relationships/

 

The idea of an asexual relationship can be confusing to the outside observer, and often is a completely foreign concept. Our society is inundated with the thought that an ideal relationship is one that consists of blissful romance and passionate sex, and there is frequently no distinction between the two. But for an asexual individual, this ideal doesn’t fit with what they want out of life—their idea of happiness doesn’t match what societal expectations say it should. Romance is one thing, and sex is another, and it can be difficult to convey the idea that someone can want romance or want a relationship but not want sex.

 

But doesn’t a relationship mean you’re having sex? If you’re not, aren’t you just friends?

 

Nope! Although our culture and our societal expectations assume that individuals who are in a relationship are in a sexual relationship, this is not a defining factor. Think of it this way: people who are in a relationship have made the mutual decision to be emotionally committed to each other. What they do with that commitment is entirely up to them. For asexuals, love is separate from sex, and being in a relationship is their way of expressing that love.

 

So how do these relationships work?

 

It varies, depending on the needs and wants of the participants in the relationship. For clarity’s sake, take a look at the list of relationship types and terms below!

 

Romantic nonsexual relationship: a relationship between individuals which does not involve sexual contact but does involve romantic attraction. The parameters for what these sorts of relationships consist of is incredibly wide, as some asexual romantic partners enjoy kissing and other kinds of sexual foreplay, while others do not. Cuddling and other forms of affectionate touch are often extremely important, as many asexual individuals use it as a way to express their affection and love for their romantic partner.

 

Aromantic nonsexual relationship: a relationship between individuals which does not involve romantic or sexual contact. There are a variety of terms that are also used for this sort of relationship, ranging from an aromantic platonic relationship to a queerplatonic relationship to simply “zucchinis.” (One’s partner in this sort of relationship would be referred to as one’s zucchini.) It involves a much deeper level of affection than simple friendship, and the participants in such a relationship are often committed to each other in the same way as people in a romantic or sexual relationship would be. While sexual or romantic contact are not parts of these sorts of relationships, cuddling and other platonic affectionate touch typically is.

 

In the end, I'd say the difference is a deeper emotional connection and commitment. There's a difference between loving someone, and being in love with someone. There's more to a relationship than sex and attraction.