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[HuldraDancer]

Hmmm.  These relationships are apparently sexual though (inb4 asari).  Unless we want to explain it as Asari indoctrinating other species for the purpose of procreation (which has plenty of evidence in the series).

 

Well I know for certain one is the other one though I'm not sure though since Asari seem to be the magic species that majority of the galaxy wants to bed that might be a safe bet. (Before anyone corrects me yes I know not everything wants to bed the Asari I was exaggerating/being sarcastic)

 

I do like that idea though rather dark, though I'm a weirdo.

[capn233]

Well I know for certain one is the other one though I'm not sure though since Asari seem to be the magic species that majority of the galaxy wants to bed that might be a safe bet. (Before anyone corrects me yes I know not everything wants to bed the Asari I was exaggerating/being sarcastic)

 

I do like that idea though rather dark, though I'm a weirdo.

 

Yeah, in ME2 what is amusing is the Salarian in the bachelor party.  He initially talks about how Salarians don't get married, they just have breeding contracts, and how their party is pointless.  And eventually he starts to find the Asari dancer "intriguing."

 

"I can appreciate the dancing in an aesthetic manner, but... I don't have.. feelings of... hmmm.  She is a lovely shade of blue."

 

/indoctrinated

 

Human later:

 

"Wait.  You don't think they're, like, mind controlling us to see them as attractive do you?"

[Panda]

Aliens still have a gender males and females. People are still attracted to the masculinity and femininity from those. They are essentially humans in mask. There is a reason why aliens like elcor or hanar are not romanceable in term of removing too far away from a typical human and even gender. Asari is basically humans with blue skin, and it adds to the exotic nature of space and fantasy when romancing humanoids, which are essentially still "humans" in term of behavior and personality and still look essentially male or female in term of anatomy, especially Asari. It's no different from romancing elf, dwarf, or qunari. They don't not exist in real life, but they behave like humans and gender specific. The difference is basically is cosmetic. 

 

People don't always romance what they themselves are and what interest them in real life. I doubt everyone who romanced Iron Bull in DAI is into BDSM (or people with horns) or everyone who romanced Cortez is gay man.

 

I have no doubt that both Salarian and asexual romance would interest those who aren't asexual nor Salarian. And I think asexuality with Salarian would be lore-required aspect of romance, because Salarians don't feel sexual attraction, but that doesn't mean player nor PC has to be asexual as well or that PC can't do things that couples do, because of it. It's just that sex wouldn't really work and I think that's fine, every romance doesn't have to center around it. Not every romantic movie, novel etc. has sex either.

[Panda]

Yeah, in ME2 what is amusing is the Salarian in the bachelor party.  He initially talks about how Salarians don't get married, they just have breeding contracts, and how their party is pointless.  And eventually he starts to find the Asari dancer "intriguing."

 

"I can appreciate the dancing in an aesthetic manner, but... I don't have.. feelings of... hmmm.  She is a lovely shade of blue."

 

/indoctrinated

 

Human later:

 

"Wait.  You don't think they're, like, mind controlling us to see them as attractive do you?"

 

Mordin actually commented that he find Asari offers of love intriguing and theorized that it must be neurochemical. So maybe Asari's do have some biological chemicals that affect nervous system of other species and make them appear more desirable.

[Battlebloodmage]

People don't always romance what they themselves are and what interest them in real life. I doubt everyone who romanced Iron Bull in DAI is into BDSM (or people with horns) or everyone who romanced Cortez is gay man.

 

I have no doubt that both Salarian and asexual romance would interest those who aren't asexual nor Salarian. And I think asexuality with Salarian would be lore-required aspect of romance, because Salarians don't feel sexual attraction, but that doesn't mean player nor PC has to be asexual as well or that PC can't do things that couples do, because of it. It's just that sex wouldn't really work and I think that's fine, every romance doesn't have to center around it. Not every romantic movie, novel etc. has sex either.

 

I don't need to see the sex scenes, and I just want to know that the other person would be into it, and if it's clearly asexual, then it wouldn't happen. Asexual could have sex just for the sake of the other person, but I don't want sex to be a chore. I nor my PC would be able to be happy in an asexual relationship. I played and had played as straight, gay, lesbian, and I always envision the story they have together, and sex is an important part in term of intimacy for them. If sex really wouldn't work then it's a big deal breaker for me and a lot of people. Even those movies and romances are not with an asexual person, or at least, they don't mention it specifically. For a RPG game where you envision yourself as your character, it's even more important that my character is to be with a sexual person. It's not about sex, as I said, I'm perfectly okay with fade to black. There is a difference between DAI left ambiguous vs someone who is clearly defined as asexual.  

 

As I stated before, you don't know or can't prove how many people who be interested or into that option. Salarian, maybe. Asexual? How many? Of course there would be some interests in it, but it's still very few for them to justify the inclusion. There wouldn't be profitable nor generate controversy or attention to the game since most people don't know or care about asexual in real life. It doesn't improve Bioware's image or even bring attention to the game. My point on that comment merely stated the futility of the request. Not sure what your reason of responding to my post is. It doesn't matter what my opinion is in term of its inclusion. It will not be included if there is no reason for them to include them. The only way I guess would be some writers happen to have a strong passion about it. If writers did read the forum, then they already read this request thread, so it's up to them to include them at this point. We are just arguing why we want or don't want this feature in the game. I personally am against it since resource is not infinite, and I don't want the core romance to be affected by it. If they have extra resources, they could include it like with Cullen and Solas. Your opinion is "why not?". I doubt we can agree on this anyway. Let's drop this since I already foresee a bunch of pointless argument on a feature that I don't think would be included and in the end, our minds wouldn't change anyway. 

[Panda]

I don't need to see the sex scenes, and I just want to know that the other person would be into it, and if it's clearly asexual, then it wouldn't happen. Asexual could have sex just for the sake of the other person, but I don't want sex to be a chore. I nor my PC would be able to be happy in an asexual relationship. I played and had played as straight, gay, lesbian, and I always envision the story they have together, and sex is an important part in term of intimacy for them. If sex really wouldn't work then it's a big deal breaker for me and a lot of people. Even those movies and romances are not with an asexual person, or at least, they don't mention it specifically. For a RPG game where you envision yourself as your character, it's even more important that my character is to be with a sexual person. It's not about sex, as I said, I'm perfectly okay with fade to black. There is a difference between DAI left ambiguous vs someone who is clearly defined as asexual.  

 

As I stated before, you don't know or can't prove how many people who be interested or into that option. Salarian, maybe. Asexual? How many? Of course there would be some interests in it, but it's still very few for them to justify the inclusion. There wouldn't be profitable nor generate controversy or attention to the game since most people don't know or care about asexual in real life. It doesn't improve Bioware's image or even bring attention to the game. My point on that comment merely stated the futility of the request. Not sure what your reason of responding to my post is. It doesn't matter what my opinion is in term of its inclusion. It will not be included if there is no reason for them to include them. The only way I guess would be some writers happen to have a strong passion about it. If writers did read the forum, then they already read this request thread, so it's up to them to include them at this point. We are just arguing why we want or don't want this feature in the game. I personally am against it since resource is not infinite, and I don't want the core romance to be affected by it. If they have extra resources, they could include it like with Cullen and Solas. Your opinion is "why not?". I doubt we can agree on this anyway. Let's drop this since I already foresee a bunch of pointless argument on a feature that I don't think would be included and in the end, our minds wouldn't change anyway. 

 

That's why there is multiple LI's in the game, because people like different things. I don't know how many people would be interested in sexless romance with Salarian, but I also don't think you know or can prove how many people would be against having relationship with Salarian that doesn't include sexual thing. Of course many people do like sex, but I doubt not having sex would be deal-breaker for that many player  that romance with Salarian would be out of question. I like sex and headcanoning sex in romances with LI's in Bioware's games as well, but it would not be deal-breaker for me and I'd be intrigued romancing Salarian. I'm sure that overall asexual Salarian romance would be as popular as other alien romances, of course depending on how liked the character is. Someone like Mordin, Kirrahe? They would be very popular romances sex or not, since sexual  things or even headcanoning sexual things aren't only content there is in romances.

[78stonewobble]

What is the distinction? If oxytocin and dopamine aren't being released than it is by definition non sexual physically. The participants aren't feeling pleasure by participating in it, so the only reason to engage in it would be because the practice is a socialized norm for romantic relationships due to the vast majority experiencing sexual pleasure in doing it.

That's more due to the stigmatization of sleeping in close proximity to others being inheriently romantic when it is between two adults, when that isn't at all the case. Sometimes there simply aren't enough beds for everyone to have their own. Is it "romantic" to sleep in the same tent as a friend or confidant, for instance, or to share beds because it is cheaper to rent less rooms/ apartments?

I don't think it does, and frankly don't see the difference between the described nonsexual "romance" and any other platonic relationship. Any "asexual" relationship that engages in cuddling or other such physical intimacy for pleasure is probably not so due to any chemical or physical reasons, but because of social hangups on sex.

 

Good points... Because, if it is a question of "chemicals"... then... I just mean I'd never say: "Oh, I choose to produce less insulin, than my body needs and love injections and/or pass out alot".  

 

It's cool that people are different and feel like different things, but let's not celebrate a potential medical problem too much. 

 

...

 

I know the dichotomy myself. I suffer from varying levels of social anxiety. I could argue that I was just a natural born loner, but that would just be making up excuses. It's one thing to be able to ride a bus and choose not to and a whole nother to not be able to take the bus, even if I want to/need to. The last being a genuine medical problem.

 

I have no idea, what being an asexual is like, but I would assume it would be nicest to be it, because one genuinely felt like that, rather than a potential medical/bodily/chemical problem.  

 

No offence meant, just my 5 cents, on that area... 

[Battlebloodmage]

That's why there is multiple LI's in the game, because people like different things. I don't know how many people would be interested in sexless romance with Salarian, but I also don't think you know or can prove how many people would be against having relationship with Salarian that doesn't include sexual thing. Of course many people do like sex, but I doubt not having sex would be deal-breaker for that many player  that romance with Salarian would be out of question. I like sex and headcanoning sex in romances with LI's in Bioware's games as well, but it would not be deal-breaker for me and I'd be intrigued romancing Salarian. I'm sure that overall asexual Salarian romance would be as popular as other alien romances, of course depending on how liked the character is. Someone like Mordin, Kirrahe? They would be very popular romances sex or not, since sexual  things or even headcanoning sexual things aren't only content there is in romances.

I don't need to prove anything since I'm not the one who want the feature, as these requests are toward the developers, the burden of proof is always on the person who want the feature. With the current standing, if we assume 2-2-2 distribution (more or less), if one of them is asexual, I would be stuck with one (if I have a preference for a particular gender and orientation), and that is something I don't want, worst yet, if I dislike the other options as well. This is why I said as long as it doesn't affect the core romance, I don't care. Regardless of how interesting a character is, it's a deal breaker for me if they're asexual. Good to know it's not a deal breaker for you, it doesn't mean anything if you can't prove that others would feel the same. It will be included if enough people are for it, so it doesn't matter if I'm against it.

[General TSAR]

Salarians have low sex drives. 

 

[Panda]

I don't need to prove anything since I'm not the one who want the feature, as these requests are toward the developers, the burden of proof is always on the person who want the feature. With the current standing, if we assume 2-2-2 distribution (more or less), if one of them is asexual, I would be stuck with one (if I have a preference for a particular gender), and that is something I don't want, worst yet, if I dislike the other options as well. This is why I said as long as it doesn't affect the core romance, I don't care, if you bother reading. Regardless of how interesting a character is, it's a deal breaker for me if they're asexual. Good to know it's not a deal breaker for you, it doesn't mean anything if you can't prove that others would feel the same. 

 

Well currently this is discussion between BSNers so I don't think if there is more need to prove than to make your argument sound more valid to others. It's not like devs have been very active here and like my discussion is straight-forward requests to them, I have done some of  those with threads in feedback sections though devs don't really even read those ^^;

 

There is always chance that you will dislike some of all your options for some reason. I personally count all 6 as my options and one asexual Salarian would fit there marvelously (personally I'm hoping also lesbian Turian, bisexual Drell and bi/pansexual Asari). I simply think "market" for asexual Salarian would be big enough to justify the character, some people want asexual romance and this would be way to get it, but also some people want Salarian romance and lot of people most likely would be interested enough even if asexual Salarian wouldn't be their first choice.

 

I can't really prove that everyone doesn't feel like you do like you probably can't prove they do in terms of asexuality being deal-breaker in video-game romance.. I guess I could try if I put some research on it and maybe did some polls.. but I think in the context of discussion I can safely say that although it would be deal-breaker for some, enough people would be interested either in Salarian or asexual aspect of the romance to make it good LI from one of 6. I'm simply basing that on my time on BSN and myself (non-asexual and non-Salarian) ^^

[Battlebloodmage]

Well currently this is discussion between BSNers so I don't think if there is more need to prove than to make your argument sound more valid to others. It's not like devs have been very active here and like my discussion is straight-forward requests to them, I have done some of  those with threads in feedback sections though devs don't really even read those ^^;

 

There is always chance that you will dislike some of all your options for some reason. I personally count all 6 as my options and one asexual Salarian would fit there marvelously (personally I'm hoping also lesbian Turian, bisexual Drell and bi/pansexual Asari). I simply think "market" for asexual Salarian would be big enough to justify the character, some people want asexual romance and this would be way to get it, but also some people want Salarian romance and lot of people most likely would be interested enough even if asexual Salarian wouldn't be their first choice.

 

I can't really prove that everyone doesn't feel like you do like you probably can't prove they do in terms of asexuality being deal-breaker in video-game romance.. I guess I could try if I put some research on it and maybe did some polls.. but I think in the context of discussion I can safely say that although it would be deal-breaker for some, enough people would be interested either in Salarian or asexual aspect of the romance to make it good LI from one of 6. I'm simply basing that on my time on BSN and myself (non-asexual and non-Salarian) ^^

If we're taking out the lack of incentive to include it then we're just talking about what we want.  There is a chance I will dislike the option. The LI being asexual, I will dislike it 100%. Not everyone is as flexible as you in term of being able to romance every sex and gender. If you could put in a poll then we could gauge some opinions and interests. While it doesn't change my mind, it would at least give the developers to have an idea on the interest for such option. It's like the other thread on violence and language toggle; people request stuffs but never actually do anything to show that not just a few people who want it. 

[Panda]

If we're taking out the lack of incentive to include it then we're just talking about what we want.  There is a chance I will dislike the option. The LI being asexual, I will dislike it 100%. Not everyone is as flexible as you in term of being able to romance every sex and gender. If you could put in a poll then we could gauge some opinions and interests. While it doesn't change my mind, it would at least give the developers to have an idea on the interest for such option. It's like the other thread on violence and language toggle; people request stuffs but never actually do anything to show that not just a few people who want it. 

 

If I was more confident that developers would actually read the prove why some feature would be popular I could do some work to provide it, but at the moment I'm quite convinced whole thing would be waste of my time. Until there is some dev interest here, I'd rather discuss these things with others. Maybe some dev notices the thread and thinks that Salarian romance would be cool thing to have, maybe not. As it is I'm not interested working for it.

 

People have different deal-breakers, for some aliens are 100% deal-breaker, for some some other character trait. Not everyone is as flexible as me, but not everyone is as inflexible in terms of not wanting to romance asexual LI as you.  I'm still convinced that romance would be liked enough to justify it being in the game.

[Battlebloodmage]

If I was more confident that developers would actually read the prove why some feature would be popular I could do some work to provide it, but at the moment I'm quite convinced whole thing would be waste of my time. Until there is some dev interest here, I'd rather discuss these things with others. Maybe some dev notices the thread and thinks that Salarian romance would be cool thing to have, maybe not. As it is I'm not interested working for it.

 

People have different deal-breakers, for some aliens are 100% deal-breaker, for some some other character trait. Not everyone is as flexible as me, but not everyone is as inflexible in terms of not wanting to romance asexual LI as you.  I'm still convinced that romance would be liked enough to justify it being in the game.

I do believe that there are more inflexible since most people are straight, and the culture is generally very heteronormative. Anyway, as we both admit that it's a fruitless endeavor, it's not really worth discussing. 

[Suketchi]

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Allow me to make something clear here: The topic title 'Romanceable Salarian for ME:A - Why Not?' implies that it could be possible, not that I am demanding it. Yes, I do want them to avoid propagating stereotypes about asexual individuals through the Salarians. I do want Bioware to put aside preconceptions when implementing romance narratives for the characters they've created. Do I want Bioware to force an asexual Salarian romance into ME:A? No, and I'm perfectly aware that this post isn't going to have that effect. I created the topic to make people think about it. 

 

(...also, in response to an earlier comment...if this thread topic is a waste of time, then wouldn't you posting in it be doubly so? ;P )

[Battlebloodmage]

Allow me to make something clear here: The topic title 'Romanceable Salarian for ME:A - Why Not?' implies that it could be possible, not that I am demanding it. Yes, I do want them to avoid propagating stereotypes about asexual individuals through the Salarians. I do want Bioware to put aside preconceptions when implementing romance narratives for the characters they've created. Do I want Bioware to force an asexual Salarian romance into ME:A? No, and I'm perfectly aware that this post isn't going to have that effect. I created the topic to make people think about it. 

 

(...also, in response to an earlier comment...if this thread topic is a waste of time, then wouldn't you posting in it be doubly so? ;P )

Never said you demand it. Internet is a bad platform for these kinds of discussion, no one changed their minds, people already have a preconceived notion, so no one is gonna think about it, more like mocking if they don't understand or care about it. 

 

Why? I'm bored and I have time to waste. Most forum activities are time wasting anyway.

[Heathen Oxman]

Good points... Because, if it is a question of "chemicals"... then... I just mean I'd never say: "Oh, I choose to produce less insulin, than my body needs and love injections and/or pass out alot".

It's cool that people are different and feel like different things, but let's not celebrate a potential medical problem too much.

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I know the dichotomy myself. I suffer from varying levels of social anxiety. I could argue that I was just a natural born loner, but that would just be making up excuses. It's one thing to be able to ride a bus and choose not to and a whole nother to not be able to take the bus, even if I want to/need to. The last being a genuine medical problem.

I have no idea, what being an asexual is like, but I would assume it would be nicest to be it, because one genuinely felt like that, rather than a potential medical/bodily/chemical problem.

No offence meant, just my 5 cents, on that area...

It's only a "problem" if the asexual person is distrssed by being asexual. If they're perfectly happy being asexual, then it's not a "problem."

And whether or not asexuality has a biological basis is irrelevant.

[78stonewobble]

It's only a "problem" if the asexual person is distrssed by being asexual. If they're perfectly happy being asexual, then it's not a "problem."

And whether or not asexuality has a biological basis is irrelevant.

 

I didn't say a problem, but a better analogy, is probably that while you can be perfectly happy being blind, deaf, have no legs or  so forth. The defacto standard is to have em and for all intents and purposes... it would be more practical to have em. In the case of asexuality, presumably to avoid social problematics, like having to explain yourself, potential partner problems/incompatibilities and so forth. 

 

I don't agree that biological basis is irrelevant. In the one scenario it is a conscious choice according to personal subjective taste. In the other the choice is forced upon you by a chemical inbalance. I know which I'd prefer... 

[Vertrix]

...obvious? How so? Because it complies to your preconceptions? And, I'll say it again, SLEEPING WITH AN ALIEN WITH INCOMPATIBLE PHYSIOLOGY WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE IN AN ASEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.

 

...that last part doesn't even make sense. You think there aren't any humans who have to come to terms with the fact that they are going to outlive their partner from an early point in their relationship?

 

Actually, it is YOU who aren't making sense at all.

Too bad, i got tired of arguing with a wall.....Have a nice day.

[Malleficae]

I would be totally open for salarian romance if this one is female and you can romance her with female protag. I always wanted to romance quarian but they've made them far too human so I would be ok with salarian. Also, asexual is good. I barely feel any sexual attraction and I'd love to see romance without sex. I'm not anti-sex, just like diversity. Hope BioWare will hear you, OP.

[Sartoz]

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LOL

That will never happen, IMO

[Suketchi]

Actually, it is YOU who aren't making sense at all.

Too bad, i got tired of arguing with a wall.....Have a nice day.

 

 

Hmm. Countering arguments with logic and established lore makes me a brick wall. Got it.

[Suketchi]

Never said you demand it. Internet is a bad platform for these kinds of discussion, no one changed their minds, people already have a preconceived notion, so no one is gonna think about it, more like mocking if they don't understand or care about it. 

 

Why? I'm bored and I have time to waste. Most forum activities are time wasting anyway.

 

True, but you were arguing against the idea pretty passionately, so I figured you must have thought I was XD My bad. 

 

They may not agree, but that doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it. Even if that thought is something like, 'God, what a stupid idea', it's still something. I don't mind arguing or mocking: being made fun of is nothing new, and I'm open to any facts that contradict my reasoning or lore I might not have considered. So far, I've only been further convinced that it's a good idea though *shrug* 

 

Hey, I don't have a problem with anyone wasting time... just wanted to point out that it applied to both of us ;P

[Salarian Master Race]

Conversations such as these are why you people have such abysmal Post to Like Ratios.

[Suketchi]

Conversations such as these are why you people have such abysmal Post to Like Ratios.

 

*nonchalantly checks everyone's Post to Like Ratios to see who's being talked about here*

[capn233]

What if you had 11,000 posts before likes existed?