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[NKnight7]

I finished the DLC and loved it, definitely a step up from Jaws and Descent. It was really bittersweet though seeing the endings to all of these characters, even though I hope they'll maybe have cameos in future games. I agree with others that I think there is a good chance the Inquisitior could come back for DA4 as an advisor type role, those final lines kind of imply they'll have a role for finding the next protagonist. I also had my Quizzy become a Red Jenny and so she got the crossbow arm too. Now to finish the DLC with my other three Quizzy's and do one last playthough so I can finally experience the Solas romance for myself.

[BloodyTalon]

Full metal inquestior -ducks-
 

[BloodyTalon]

Solas will unstablelizes your arm if you try to attack him too, he's a dick. A dick that cares, but still a dick.

If Solas existed irl have the perfect song for him, though can't post it swearing..but thanks for the info

[Korva]

Still kinda confused as to how Mythal ties into all this, anyone wanna clear it up for me? Is she down with what Solas is doing? Who killed her way back when? If she isn't down with what Solas is doing why didn't she fight him [I suspect I know the answer: she's snekky AF]?

 

Apparently the other "gods" killed her because she was the only one who actually cared for the people and spoke against the excesses and abuses, and her murder is what pushed Solas over the edge. Flemeth revealed that both she and Mythal want a reckoning that will shake the world, so I guess Mythal is on board with what Solas is doing, and either controlled Flemeth to not fight back or convinced her that "merging" with him would be their best bet. If Solas' plan ends in her murderers being freed, they would probably still be weak at first -- relatively speaking -- and she's already sharpening her claws for a very close up and personal retribution that would make them wish they were still imprisoned.

 

And yes, it would be ... very very hard to see a reason to try and redeem a guy who all but admits that none but the remaining ancient elves are even people in his eyes. He may not want everyone else to suffer before and as they die, but he won't hesitate to wipe out life wholesale either.

[helpthisguyplease]

I wonder why the ancient "gods" where stupid enough to kill Mythal  knowing that it will bring the wrath Solas on them. And they did knew he was very powerful else they would not have given him the nickname Dread Wolf.

[BloodyTalon]

I wonder why the ancient "gods" where stupid enough to kill Mythal  knowing that it will bring the wrath Solas on them. And they did knew he was very powerful else they would not have given him the nickname Dread Wolf.

Got the impression that title came after he turned on them and started freeing people

He was Solas first, then the dread wolf

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Full metal inquestior -ducks-
 

I'd buy it. I love the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise. 

[Fredward]

Apparently the other "gods" killed her because she was the only one who actually cared for the people and spoke against the excesses and abuses, and her murder is what pushed Solas over the edge. Flemeth revealed that both she and Mythal want a reckoning that will shake the world, so I guess Mythal is on board with what Solas is doing, and either controlled Flemeth to not fight back or convinced her that "merging" with him would be their best bet. If Solas' plan ends in her murderers being freed, they would probably still be weak at first -- relatively speaking -- and she's already sharpening her claws for a very close up and personal retribution that would make them wish they were still imprisoned.

 

And yes, it would be ... very very hard to see a reason to try and redeem a guy who all but admits that none but the remaining ancient elves are even people in his eyes. He may not want everyone else to suffer before and as they die, but he won't hesitate to wipe out life wholesale either.

 

I'm wondering about that. The revenge spiel I mean. She does sound miffed over the fact that she was shanked yes but she also goes all mouth-foamy about the WORLD being betrayed. Which is what Solas did. Would a lady who, alone among her peers, cared for her people be down with the kind of hubris it would take to enact mass-genocide to alleviate your own guilt? I dunno.

 

So my current pet theory is that she did a fakeout like she did with the Warden killing her in DAO. She lets herself be absorbed by Solas so that he thinks she's out of the picture or that he'll get revenge for her or whatever but she's already set the pieces in place to make her comeback in some way. Namely: the Well. SOMEONE drank from it, not drinking from it isn't an option so I figure Mythal will be piggybacking on whoever drank it and delivering plot relevant details that will allow the protag of DA4 to shove Solas down a really tall flight of stairs. This will either be through the magical cellphone Dorian gave the Quisie (if they're the one who drank) or through Morrigan who I figure will actually feature in DA4. And if Kieran exists she has some power stashed away for later use too.

 

This is all assuming there IS a DA4. Still hasn't been greenlit. And man, I'm gonna be miffed if they decide to just drop it now.

[Daerog]

So... even with Vivienne on the Sunburst Throne the College of Enchanters is still established... lame...

 

Well, at least Fiona is not leading it since she died at Haven.

 

I really liked how the story ended with the Inquisition disbanded. The Inquisitor didn't become a Jenny, and just visited Cassandra often as she built up the Seekers. I like how that worked out, disband the Inquisition, and then just shift over to the Seekers, ha!

 

Thom's ending was grand, being a voice of compassion and hope throughout the land.

 

Well, here's to hoping that Leliana will get my Inquisitor into contact with my Amell so they can combine their knowledge and magic to make some sort of lyrium-infused golem arm and hand or whatever.

 

Looking forward to playing for the Imperium!

[Steelcan]

ok gonna write up my more complete thoughts on the DLC

 

Overall I personally think that this is the finest DLC that the DA team has ever put together and I'd put it on par with something like LotSB in ME2.  I'm fully aware that not everyone will share that opinion, but I personally got everything I could ask for in the DLC sans a few small nitpicks.

 

I think that first of the premise is very nice, the Inquisition having to face the music for their tampering in the sovereignty of both Orlais and Ferelden directly and then tying in the biggest free hanging threads in the DA narrative at this point, Solas and the Qunari (I'll ignore the OGB as its variable) and at the same time wrapped up each companion story line very well (if in at least one case rather abruptly) and put it all in a fun and extremely visually pleasing package.

 

Going around and getting what each companion is up to is a very nice addition, such as getting the details of Rainier's warden assignments, going to an opera with Josephine, or hearing about Cassandra hiding a sword under her robe.  I think that Blackwall and Dorian particularly stand out with their personal stories going on, and I'm looking forward to seeing Dorian again when we move to Tevinter next game.  Cole and the Iron Bull were the shortfalls here, but Iron Bull makes up for it later in the DLC with his additions on Qunari roles and his possible betrayal (yay! for continuity).

 

I'd have liked to have seen more of the actual Exalted Council than we got, and I'd definitely like to see more sides and arguments from the Orlesians and Fereldens.  Answering for the Inquisition's actions in the aftermath of the Breach would have been a fun RP'ing opportunity as well as see the start of the new movements such as the reformation of the Templar Order and Circles of Magi under Cassandra or resistance to the Divine such as with the Silver Shield.  But these are again nitpicks for the most part.

 

The companion epilogues are also a nice touch, even if they are unvoiced, and I hope to see a few of those threads picked up again in the future such as Dorian's new Tevinter faction or Blackwall hinting at strife between the Wardens.  Others wrap up nicely and don't really need a great deal of detail such as Sera's or IB's.

 

I won't discuss the actual storyline as it is far to long to get into what revelations I liked and why and so on.  Let it suffice to say that I was satisfied with the closure provided to the Corypheus storyline (how he got the orb and so on) and the start of the new one, Solas's rebellion as well as the hints to the next game taking place in Tevinter.

 

Finally I'd just like to touch on the level design and the interesting new gameplay mechanics they implemented, the anchor discharges were a fun way to implement a new lore power (and show that we should not be restricted to 8 hotkeys), throw in the Sigils for armor, more varied enemy encounters (including not just a greater variety in ways to approach the enemy but also in enemy strengths and weaknesses).  The environments were also stunning, particularly the sundered library and the areas around the Winter Palace (though I could have done without a bone finding mini-game)

 

All in all I was extremely satisfied with the DLC.  And I'd give it between an 8.5-9/10

[Korva]

I wonder why the ancient "gods" where stupid enough to kill Mythal  knowing that it will bring the wrath Solas on them. And they did knew he was very powerful else they would not have given him the nickname Dread Wolf.

 

Strength in numbers, maybe. They were no slouches either, and there were about half a dozen of them while he stood alone. Though I wonder how united they truly were -- it wouldn't surprise me if creatures that callous, arrogant and powerful had "we try to one-up one another every moment we're not abusing our slaves" written all over them. A wolf is a smart predator, able to perceive and exploit such weaknesses in his intended prey. Lay low, pretend to be frightened you're next and show your belly in fake submission if you must, encourage their power-games among each other to take their focus off you while you prepare the Veil-creation-ritual ... and bam, they never saw it coming. That's my guess, at least. Or he might just have hulked out on them like he did on the mages who murdered his spirit-friend, so hard and fast he caught them with their metaphorical pants down.

[Kimarous]

It's something of a pity that you can't bring companions to comment on the final conversation with Solas. I almost wanted a playable epilogue to this epilogue DLC just to go to Sera and tell her  "I am SO SORRY for dismissing your anti-elven views and criticism of Solas because YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!"

[Daerog]

So... after playing through it once, I remember being told that there was a war in which the elven gods showed how awesome they were and were later worshipped or at least revered as gods. Also, the Forgotten Ones were banished from the material world when they didn't aid the People when they needed aid... was that during the war? I don't recall it being said that Xeb and its gang were antagonistic toward or attacked the People, just that they didn't help. So, if that is the case, what was this war? Was it against the blight in some way?

 

So, we got titans, dragons, corrupt gods, demons, an omnicidal blight, and now a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds situation going on. Okay, cool... here's to hoping that we learn more about other ancient civilizations in the next game, such as getting more knowledge from those across the sea about the origins of humans and where the Qunari come from.

[Korva]

I'm wondering about that. The revenge spiel I mean. She does sound miffed over the fact that she was shanked yes but she also goes all mouth-foamy about the WORLD being betrayed. Which is what Solas did. Would a lady who, alone among her peers, cared for her people be down with the kind of hubris it would take to enact mass-genocide to alleviate your own guilt? I dunno.

 

True, I hadn't considered that. I guess the betrayal of the world could also refer to what the other "gods" were doing to it, i.e. the abuse and betrayal of what the they once preserved. If Solas tells the truth, they were on the track to destroying the world as well. But yes ... the angle that it could also refer to his actions is something we likely shouldn't overlook. Both his distant and recent actions -- Solas giving Corypheus a weapon of ultimate mass destruction knowing how he would use it, and planning to reap the spoils and finish the job himself afterwards, definitely counts as a betrayal in my book. Maybe, despite Flemeth's bitterness at "knowing the hearts of men", Mythal doesn't go quite as far as Solas does in not seeing anyone but the old elves as real people because she has existed in the changed world so long, tied to a mortal and not even elven host, that she cares at least a little "even" for beings that don't happen to be old and magical like herself.

 

If that raw fury the Inquisitor saw in her extends to Solas as well, though, we have to give her mad props for being one hell of an actor and not letting him see any of it as they said their goodbyes and she allowed him to kill her.

 

So my current pet theory is that she did a fakeout like she did with the Warden killing her in DAO. She lets herself be absorbed by Solas so that he thinks she's out of the picture or that he'll get revenge for her or whatever but she's already set the pieces in place to make her comeback in some way.

 

Possible, yes. She is a wily old thing and a survivor, both parts of the Flemeth/Mythal creature are. She definitely has a plan. Solas is a lot harder to deceive than a bunch of mortals, and I think the moment of connection they shared before her death was meaningful for both, but whether she intends to "save him from himself" or kick his butt, it's unlikely the world has seen the last of her.

[Costin_Razvan]

Why does the Inquisition give an iota of a **** what Fereldan and Orlais want exactly? In Orlais if you picked Gaspard solo or with Briala or settled things between the three parties they either don't have the power to stop you OR they are heavily indebted to you...and yet the game does not care to recognize this.

As for Fereldan.  A pathetic weak nation devastated by the Blight and the Breach thinks it can have any say against the Inquisition. I say we march on Denerim to remind them that the Inquisitior is the Chosen of ****** Andraste and that their own people would likely rise against the monarchy to support the Herald.

[Nixou]

Varric as Viscount? That screams just a little too much of a tradition of Companions getting huge status upgrades for no clear reason.

 

 

Not so much: Vic always was a cunning and influential politician: he deliberately cultivated an image of a lazy socialite only interested in writing pulps and often remained in the shadows of more obviously strong-willed men (Bartrand, Hawke, the Inquisitor) while getting things done behind the scenes. Chances are that he'll be using Bran and Aveline as the "faces" of Kirkwall, content to let its neighbours think that the new viscount is a mere figurehead who got the job on virtue of his fame.

 

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And what happened to Arl Teagan?

 

 

Years of a stressful job.

 

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tfw your favorite genocidal elven plot device still has fans after this

 

 

Of course he has: the whole point of making Solas a party member was so that players would get attached to him and eventually have their heart broken when the inevitable fight to the death comes. The writers probably realized that antagonists like Loghain and Meredith, whose good guys days happened mostly off screen, weren't as ambiguous as they wanted them to be.

 

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The funny thing is: Solas says he wants to restore what was...The very same crappy Empire he destroyed in the first place. 

 

 

Of course he does: Solas never wanted to destroy the elvhen empire: he wanted to overthrow its corrupt rulers: he's the god of unforeseen consequences and carefully-laid plans horribly backfiring.

[Fredward]

Why does the Inquisition give an iota of a **** what Fereldan and Orlais want exactly? In Orlais if you picked Gaspard solo or with Briala or settled things between the three parties they either don't have the power to stop you OR they are heavily indebted to you...and yet the game does not care to recognize this.

 

So Orlais wants you gone regardless of whose on the throne? Does the ruler (or puppetmaster) at least get a mention or codex entry?

[Costin_Razvan]

 So Orlais wants you gone regardless of whose on the throne? Does the ruler (or puppetmaster) at least get a mention or codex entry?

The ruler of Orlais gets plenty of mentions, even mentioned was for instance Gaspard only sits on his throne because we put him there.

It does not matter.
 

[Daerog]

Solas is also from a time/world where one could flow from the material world into the spirit world and back.

 

The world he has woken up to seems like an abomination to him, like the world is no longer a living, breathing world, but more dead... like a zombie or something... so instead of letting the world continue as broken as it is, he wishes to make it whole again, but it would result in the broken, flawed world dying.

 

He really should consider manipulating the Promisers.

 

Is what he wants any different than someone who starts a world changing course of actions, goes to the future and sees it turn out in a way that seems like a nightmare to the person (but not so much to the ones currently living in that time), and decides to go back in time to reverse what happened? It is erasing the future world and inhabitants, right?

 

Still, he is just a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, so he is ultimately wrong in his actions, due to ignorance, arrogance, or guilt.

 

 

Edit: As for what Orlais and Fereldan want... it ultimately doesn't matter, because the Inquisitor makes the choice to disband or not. Remaining independent would just make the world turn against it, as the Inquisition doesn't hold ultimate sway in politics in Orlais or Fereldan anymore and it doesn't have any major influence in the north.

[Fredward]

The ruler of Orlais gets plenty of mentions, even mentioned was for instance Gaspard only sits on his throne because we put him there.

It does not matter.
 

 

Lame but thanks for the answer.

[Costin_Razvan]

 As for what Orlais and Fereldan want... it ultimately doesn't matter, because the Inquisitor makes the choice to disband or not. Remaining independent would just make the world turn against it, as the Inquisition doesn't hold ultimate sway in politics in Orlais or Fereldan anymore and it doesn't have any major influence in the north.

The whole world is not defined by Orlais and Fereldan.

[Daerog]

The whole world is also not defined by the Inquisition.

 

Orlais and Fereldan were the Inquisition's biggest supporters. Now, they have cut ties. The other nations don't care as much as Fereldan and Orlais did. Orlais has huge influence in Thedas, with its only major rivals being Tevinter and Nevarra, with Fereldan possibly becoming a big player as well.

 

The only ally that was keeping Orlais and Fereldan away from tearing the Inquisition apart was the Chantry. The Inquisition cannot stand against Orlais and Fereldan if the two really want to destroy it.

 

Still, having the Inquisitor make the final decision shows how much influence and power the Inquisitor still has on an individual level.

[The Baconer]

Full metal inquestior -ducks-
 

 

I prefer Punished 'Quisitor.

 

I'm already a demon, Solas.

[Costin_Razvan]

 Orlais and Fereldan were the Inquisition's biggest supporters. Now, they have cut ties. The other nations don't care as much as Fereldan and Orlais did. Orlais has huge influence in Thedas, with its only major rivals being Tevinter and Nevarra, with Fereldan possibly becoming a big player as well.

Biggest supporters my ass, and also the Inquisition only exists in those nations.

 

 

 

 The only ally that was keeping Orlais and Fereldan away from tearing the Inquisition apart was the Chantry. The Inquisition cannot stand against Orlais and Fereldan if the two really want to destroy it.  

That's why things like the ruler of the Orlais and your relationship with them SHOULD have ****** mattered. The game acts as if we had supported Celene and yet had a frosty relationship with her.

[KumoriYami]

Um... what exactly does Solas do when you say that you'll stop him, and if in romance with him? Not exactly sure what happened with his hands...