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[Vordish]

Solas is, for all intents and purposes, the DAI equivalent of "The Devil."

 

He lies to you in the very first conversation he has with you in the entire game.

 

Lots of symbolism with this character. Bioware did a good job on that.

[Korva]

Why does the Inquisition give an iota of a **** what Fereldan and Orlais want exactly?

 

Probably because it would be a bad idea to give further "See, the Inquisitor is an uncaring, power-grabbing tyrant!" ammo to our enemies, especially by declaring war. That would openly prove to the whole world that yes, the Inquisitor is a tyrant who does not hesitate to use her army to get her way. Despite the provocation we face, that kind of escalation would (rightly) be blamed on us, and Ferelden and Orlais are already not alone in wanting to get rid of us. Tevinter wants that, too, as do the qunari. If both nations curb their hostilities towards their neighbours for a while and use their own agents to enhance the now-deserved fear of us alongside the Fereldans and Orlesians, the whole world likely really would be united against us in short order ... not for a nanosecond longer than absolutely needed to see us utterly destroyed before they kill each other for the biggest chunks of meat from our carcass, but long enough for that. Without any military, diplomatic and economical allies, even the Inquisition would be toast.

 

That said, while the nobles' reactions are predictable, it still hurts that it apparently doesn't matter what choices we made or how we governed ... everyone still hates us and utterly refuses to listen. Plus, many of the "charges" are BS, Crestwood Keep in particular. You simply can't expect me to believe that neither our spymaster who knows the Fereldan monarch in person nor our superdiplomat ambassador made sure to get the crown's seal of approval ASAP ... or failed to notice the explosively growing discontent over our continued use of the place later on. All it would have taken to resolve this is a polite letter asking us to haul arse, and my Inquisitor would have done so. Same with Suledin Keep, if there are similar grievances about that on the Orlesian side. I just don't like being accused over an issue that isn't my fault because the writers failed to offer these options.

[Costin_Razvan]

 Probably because it would be a bad idea to give further "See, the Inquisitor is an uncaring, power-grabbing tyrant!" ammo to our enemies, especially by declaring war.

 

I never said to declare, I said to refuse to care what they say...and if they declare war on us...well they'll be crushed.

You also ignore that while the nobility may hate us the commoners would flock to our banner, hell I'd make a deal with Vivienne and just seize the whole damned south together if it came to war.

[Daerog]

I don't see how the commoners flocking to the Inquisition's aid would save it from Fereldan or Orlais. I don't see why most commoners would at this point, since there isn't a chaotic event happening on their doorstep and they probably just want to rebuild and not go to war against their own country.

 

If Orlais alone puts its military and networks against the Inquisition, the Inquisition would be snuffed out or would be forced to go underground.

[myahele]

So... after playing through it once, I remember being told that there was a war in which the elven gods showed how awesome they were and were later worshipped or at least revered as gods. Also, the Forgotten Ones were banished from the material world when they didn't aid the People when they needed aid... was that during the war? I don't recall it being said that Xeb and its gang were antagonistic toward or attacked the People, just that they didn't help. So, if that is the case, what was this war? Was it against the blight in some way?

 

So, we got titans, dragons, corrupt gods, demons, an omnicidal blight, and now a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds situation going on. Okay, cool... here's to hoping that we learn more about other ancient civilizations in the next game, such as getting more knowledge from those across the sea about the origins of humans and where the Qunari come from.

 

Based on Ancient Elvhen legends, Elgar'nan (and probably others) fought and defeated the "sun" who initially destroyed/burned most of the earth's creation. Perhaps this was that war where all the legends began?

[rapscallioness]

Idk who killed Mythal originally. Or rather, which one of those elven..gods..uh, Eavurnis (sp?). At any rate, my moneys on that Ealgar'nan one. That guy, sheesh.

 

But I  believe it was @Fred up thread that mentioned Solas thinks like a "god". Or, hmm, someone/thing that is really on a whole 'nother level. They're not gods. But they do think like them. Solas, like the other gods, sees the mortals/people of Thedas as like  insects really. I mean, if you build a house and there's an ant hill there that you crush-you don't lose sleep over it. Unless maybe you had an ant farm as a child, then it might make you a little sad.

 

That's how they view the ppl of Thedas. Alive, but not "alive" like them. Not their level of alive. So less important.

 

They conduct proxy wars with Thedas and its people. So that the gods do not have to war it out with each other. They settle it with their Champions and send them into war on their behalf. 

 

And I think they did something bad to the dwarves. That Elgar'nan....

[Jaron Oberyn]

Solas is, for all intents and purposes, the DAI equivalent of "The Devil."

 

He lies to you in the very first conversation he has with you in the entire game.

 

Lots of symbolism with this character. Bioware did a good job on that.

I disagree, Solas is well meaning he just has questionable methods. Deep down he's a good person, just severely troubled due to his role in the fall of his people.

 

 

 

Now that elves are mysteriously retreating from across Thedas what happens to our former protagonists in relationships with elves (Merrill, Zev, Fenris, etc.)?

 

Not all Elves, just those who were his agents all along. I doubt Merrill or the others would be among them.

[Call Me Jord]

That tile with a romanced Cassandra is beautiful! I'm going to have to make sure to print screen that one. But Josephine's tile is heavenly, so it'll take a lot to overthrow that!

 

Still saddened by the loss of my Inquisitor's left hand. Mainly because he's a dual-wield rogue assassin. I guess he'll have to put the blades down and let the next Main Character tackle Solas.

 

 

Now that elves are mysteriously retreating from across Thedas what happens to our former protagonists in relationships with elves (Merrill, Zev, Fenris, etc.)?

 

I'm sure Fenris is going to fist his way through all those spies.

 

In the literal sense!

[Vordish]

Solas is a hypocrite, deceiver and a willing mass murderer and no manner of white-washing will do away with that fact.

 

He outright tells you he is willing to do whatever is necessary. The "ends justify the means" approach to a supposed righteous outcome is one of the worst mentalities to ever adopt.

 

That type of mentality allows justification for any evil so long as you get what you want.

[myahele]

Isnt there going to be a large meeting of Dalish Clans soon? The one that happens every 10 years?

[KumoriYami]

well its nice to know if you didn't do the favours for the DuParaquettes something shows up in the ending epilogue for it...  and Wycomme's elves get mentioned if you do the war table mission where the elves co-rule the city by Varric.

 

Also Cole says some really interesting things... (as always). 'All new faded for her'

[Costin_Razvan]

 If Orlais alone puts its military and networks against the Inquisition, the Inquisition would be snuffed out or would be forced to go underground.

Maybe it would, maybe it would fail.

You seem to forget the Inquisition has a very large and powerful network of spies, can command the full might of the Old Templar Order and the Grey Wardens, has a large and capable military while Orlais has many issues to deal with, specifically Nevarra, internal conflict and so on.

Most importantly it may have a ruler in charge of Orlais who is reliant on them What did Gaspard's ending slide say again? Oh right that his enemies hesitate to strike against him because of the Inquisition, same with Briala.

 

Orlais may win in war with the Inquisition but it would be a very bloody affair. As for Fereldan, they don't matter.

[Jaron Oberyn]

That tile with a romanced Cassandra is beautiful! I'm going to have to make sure to print screen that one. But Josephine's tile is heavenly, so it'll take a lot to overthrow that!

 

Still saddened by the loss of my Inquisitor's left hand. Mainly because he's a dual-wield rogue assassin. I guess he'll have to put the blades down and let the next Main Character tackle Solas.

 

 

 

I'm sure Fenris is going to fist his way through all those spies.

 

In the literal sense!

 

Looks like the only one that comes out of it somewhat alright is a mage inquisitor. They can throw their hands up in the air like the saarebas. Staffs aren't needed according to the prologue.

[Airell]

I would not be surprised if the maker is a vary powerful  eleven mage who dabbled in genetics

[norealer]

Two things puzzle me.

 

First, who are these agents of Fen'Harel? Are they all ancient elves freed by Solas or are some of them modern elves recruited later (such as the agents involved in the Qunari explosives)? Felassan was apparently an ancient elf and Fen'Harel was said to have removed the tattoos , did he put the vallaslin on again in order to blend in and carry his mission?

 

Second, why are elves from across the Thedas disappear and most likely to join the Dread Wolf? Solas said his plan was to destroy the current world and he didn't seem to have changed him mind about including modern elves as his people. So did he just plan to use them and then kill them all along with all the other races? Maybe I'm wrong, it's just I'm still very confused about his "I will save the elves even if I must destroy this world", who are these "elves"?  If they include the modern elves ,why doesn't he let Inquisitor Lavellan help him? He or she would certainly be a good rallying figure for his cause. 

 

I'd appreciate it if someone could help clarify them.

[Korva]

@Costin_Razvan: It's hardly news that Bioware retcons or handwaves epilogues away when it suits them. Which, incidentally, is another reason why I don't trust the nebulous "promises" of possible future help made in one or two of the companions' sliders. Also, epilogue references to alliances and gratitude and peace and whatnot usually also mentioned that it's just "for a while" or "for now" or "for a few years", so it's not like we were promised anything lasting. (Aside from the forever changed world, but shh. I guess that only referred to what the supermage clique can do with what they manipulated us into doing for them.) Two years is a painfully short time even by those standards, though.

[KumoriYami]

DorianxBull have their own slides in the ending epilogue..! and theyre adoribull!

[Fredward]

Second, why are elves from across the Thedas disappear and most likely to join the Dread Wolf? Solas said his plan was to destroy the current world and he didn't seem to have changed him mind about including modern elves as his people. So did he just plan to use them and then kill them all along with all the other races? Maybe I'm wrong, it's just I'm still very confused about his "I will save the elves even if I must destroy this world", who are these "elves"?  If they include the modern elves ,why doesn't he let Inquisitor Lavellan help him? He or she would certainly be a good rallying figure for his cause. 

 

I think so, yeah. I imagine a lot of disenfranchised elves would help just to restore their lost glory and Solas would accept the help without informing them it's not really their  lost glory he's going to restore. But I haven't played the DLC yet so take that with a grain of salt. As for not letting Lavellan help, Solas seems conflicted about what he's doing. He figures he needs to do it and he will no matter what but its his cross to bear, he wouldn't 'drag' someone he cares about into it.

[themageguy]

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Solas is still my bae but I'm very happy on how they handled him and the romance. I'm glad my interpretation of his character was correct. Vhenan is a silly baka, and I'll kick his ass until he sees reason next game.

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[Heimdall]

I think so, yeah. I imagine a lot of disenfranchised elves would help just to restore their lost glory and Solas would accept the help without informing them it's not really their  lost glory he's going to restore. But I haven't played the DLC yet so take that with a grain of salt. As for not letting Lavellan help, Solas seems conflicted about what he's doing. He figures he needs to do it and he will no matter what but its his cross to bear, he wouldn't 'drag' someone he cares about into it.

He seems to invite the Inquisitor to try to stop him. On some level, I think he wants the Inquisitor to prove him wrong, to stop him, but he still feels reversing the veil is something he has to do.

[ZoliCs]

I doubt we will be able to stop Solas from tearing down the Veil, just the consequences won't be so dire as he thinks. I feel it's similar to how we tried to stop the Reapers from returning, but in the end we had to fight them.

So Solas will succeed and then we will have to clean up the mess. And by mess I mean the Evanuris.

[ComedicSociopathy]

You know back in the day I remember a bunch of really pro-Dalish fans complaining about how Inquisition really hated elves and apparently had a singular focus on making them seem horrible in the story.

 

I thought that was ridiculous at the time and called them crazy and paranoid. 

 

Damn... I owe a lot of people an apology.

 

Trespasser really makes them look bad. The old elves look like monstrous pro-Tevinters. The Dalish look down right pathetic and sad in how their faith is a cruel joke. And the City's elves are apparently shady as hell working with the Qun and Supervillian Solas. 

[Feybrad]

Yeah... so I've been pro-Qunari until this DLC... I bitterly, bitterly regret my Words.

 

I should have stayed with the Dwarves. Seriously. Dwarven Master Race. From here on out and forever.

[Call Me Jord]

Looks like the only one that comes out of it somewhat alright is a mage inquisitor. They can throw their hands up in the air like the saarebas. Staffs aren't needed according to the prologue.

 

Huh, I might have to re-do a Mage then.

 

Shame they butched Knight-Enchanter into the ground! I guess I could try Rift/Lightning mage.