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[KaiserShep]

You know back in the day I remember a bunch of really pro-Dalish fans complaining about how Inquisition really hated elves and apparently had a singular focus on making them seem horrible in the story.

 

I thought that was ridiculous at the time and called them crazy and paranoid. 

 

Damn... I owe a lot of people an apology.

 

Trespasser really makes them look bad. The old elves look like monstrous pro-Tevinters. The Dalish look down right pathetic and sad in how their faith is a cruel joke. And the City's elves are apparently shady as hell working with the Qun and Supervillian Solas. 

 

I know, right? Isn't it great? XD

[Darkstarr11]

You know back in the day I remember a bunch of really pro-Dalish fans complaining about how Inquisition really hated elves and apparently had a singular focus on making them seem horrible in the story.

 

I thought that was ridiculous at the time and called them crazy and paranoid. 

 

Damn... I owe a lot of people an apology.

 

Trespasser really makes them look bad. The old elves look like monstrous pro-Tevinters. The Dalish look down right pathetic and sad in how their faith is a cruel joke. And the City's elves are apparently shady as hell working with the Qun and Supervillian Solas. 

 

Devs:  Oh, you like the Dalish?  Well, lets fix that, shall we?

 

 

I don't know whats worse...the revelation, or that SERA was right...

[Ferretinabun]

 

 

Second, why are elves from across the Thedas disappear and most likely to join the Dread Wolf? Solas said his plan was to destroy the current world and he didn't seem to have changed him mind about including modern elves as his people. So did he just plan to use them and then kill them all along with all the other races? Maybe I'm wrong, it's just I'm still very confused about his "I will save the elves even if I must destroy this world", who are these "elves"?  If they include the modern elves ,why doesn't he let Inquisitor Lavellan help him? He or she would certainly be a good rallying figure for his cause. 

 

 

This is just me speculating of course... but my first guess was that he was taking them away somewhere safe (God knows where), so that when he napalmed the world, they'd still be alive to repopulate the world with elves. Like an ark.

[Mentxi]

WOW.... how can we match Solas? Maybe we have to choose between Tevinter or Qunari in the next game :/

[unclee]

WOW.... how can we match Solas? Maybe we have to choose between Tevinter or Qunari in the next game :/

 

My best guess right now: Solas can only do those types of magic (freezing people with a look) in the crossroads. Maybe his magic is stronger there but weaker in the real world due to the veil?

 

Either that, or part of the next game will be finding a way to counter Solas magic.

[Kukuru]

Sorry if this is already answered, but i don't feel like reading all 27 pages on this thread so...

 

Does Hawke/Warden who survived Nightmare have any mention on this DLC?

[unclee]

Sorry if this is already answered, but i don't feel like reading all 27 pages on this thread so...

 

Does Hawke/Warden who survived Nightmare have any mention on this DLC?

 

Yes. Hawke hangs out with Varric in Kirkwall to help him run the city.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Wait, so in Dorian's epilogue slide is that Maevaris Titus standing beside him?

[PrayingMantis]

This dlc was everything I hoped the main game to be. I hope the next main game will be similar in terms of how personal and rough it gets for your protagonist. The companions weren't just your followers too, they were actual characters I wanted to spend time with. Even the villain was more interesting than Coryfish, since they were actual people and not darkspawn.

The combat music was so much better than the main game, it gave me chills while fighting saarebas. I really hope they'll release the tracks that played in all of the dlcs..

Loved Trespasser to pieces; it was just a little sad that it wasn't longer but that's probably too expensive.

I thought I was done with BioWare but this made me change my mind. There is hope after all . You guys don't need to do open world to make amazing games. This was so much more interesting than the main plot in my opinion, because i didn't have to do errands and walk aimlessy around for hours and place flowers on someone's grave.

(Gonna replay trespasser now haha).

[WildOrchid]

or that SERA was right...

 

That makes it better.

[Erynn Silver]

 

Second, why are elves from across the Thedas disappear and most likely to join the Dread Wolf? Solas said his plan was to destroy the current world and he didn't seem to have changed him mind about including modern elves as his people. So did he just plan to use them and then kill them all along with all the other races? Maybe I'm wrong, it's just I'm still very confused about his "I will save the elves even if I must destroy this world", who are these "elves"?  If they include the modern elves ,why doesn't he let Inquisitor Lavellan help him? He or she would certainly be a good rallying figure for his cause. 

 

I'd appreciate it if someone could help clarify them.

Let us note that he has done this before when he made the veil. He's already responsible for one apocalypse. The manner in which he helped the people survive that would, one assumes, be similar to the manner in which he helps them survive a second time. It is like, as he says, everyone is tranquil. He wants to restore them to their former glory. And as some of us are aware, tranquil don't always recover very well. But it is possible. So I am guessing he wants to make ehlven out of the elves he has.
Why doesn't Lavellan get to help? Because he's definitely done questionable things and will continue to do them and form the way he says 'thankyou' when she says 'you aren't like that' I'm pretty sure he would rather she be somewhere far, far away.

[Erynn Silver]

On the matter of solas breaking the world... has anyone noticed that the veil hurts the spirits, too? Not just making the elves mortal. A spirit cole will tell you that spirits NEED people. Without the physical world they have nothing, not even themselves... probably actually creating the demons from this need for what is effectively us. 
The world is pretty broken for everyone. It's just that it's been around so long no-one even realises. 
I kinda endorse his apocalypse plan.

[KaiserShep]

Yes. Hawke hangs out with Varric in Kirkwall to help him run the city.

That makes me feel a hell of a lot better.

[Erynn Silver]

Devs:  Oh, you like the Dalish?  Well, lets fix that, shall we?

 

I don't know whats worse...the revelation, or that SERA was right...

Pretend money says there's plot reasons for that.

[TK514]

Solas:  Derp Derp, I will destroy the world and kill everyone because I am the sole arbiter of what kind of world is worth living in.

 

Qun Elves:  We are fight Solas Elves!

 

Solas' Elves:  We are fight Qun Elves!

 

Everyone Else:  @#$%ing ELVES!

 

Sera:  I was right. *smug*

[Arakat]

Calling it now: every companion in DA4 will be voiced by Miranda Raison.

[dragondreamer]

It was AMAZING.  But I really wonder how it moves on from here if the Inquisition/ex-Inquisitor is apparently leading the new anti-Solas task force.  Though I suppose they might not be able to be the PC anymore because of the missing hand, it still leaves it wide open that they'll continue to be heavily involved in the overarching story somehow.  I honestly was expecting the Inquisitor to die towards the end to tie it up neatly.  So hmm...  Kinda tricky.

 

Also, as sad as it is for a Solas romancing Lavellan, it is also incredibly epic.  That is one hell of a rivalship.  Really loved how well it was handled. 

 

And all the elven lore!  Not to mention all the elves disappearing, presumably into Solas' ranks...  Things are going to get bad for elves who don't want in on that.  I wonder how many Dalish would actually join, given what they think of him.

 

Cass was especially adorable this time around, I'm glad my Quizzy has her for a best friend.

 

So much, I'm still processing.

 

Next time around, I believe my male Lavellan will be less "I loveee you but I'll stop youuuu" and more "I'm gonna kiiiiiiiilllllllll youuuuu!!" 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Solas is, for all intents and purposes, the DAI equivalent of "The Devil."

 

He lies to you in the very first conversation he has with you in the entire game.

 

Lots of symbolism with this character. Bioware did a good job on that.

He's more Magneto. Inquisitor is Charles Xavier.

[JadeDragon]

What happens to non-divine viv?

[Mr.House]

He's more Magneto. Inquisitor is Charles Xavier.

Yeah this is a far better comparison.

[dragondreamer]

What happens to non-divine viv?

 

In my playthrough, she founded a new Circle, and it becomes something of a rival mage organization to the College of Enchanters.  I'm not sure if they operate differently (didn't catch it all), but I imagine that's probably a thing.

[Darkstarr11]

That makes it better.

 

Her comments during my first eluvian outing were pretty funny.  

[Bigdoser]

Yeah this is a far better comparison.

Pretty much I got the vibe that the mages are the mutants of the series that's why he has such a strong opinion about the mage and templar situation since I assume mages were everywhere back in his day. 

 

He views people today more like tranquil imagine how he feels upon seeing our tranquil hence why he takes such a huge approval hit compared to Dorian when you do it.

[norealer]

 So I am guessing he wants to make ehlven out of the elves he has.

 

Maybe, but the survival rate is definitely pretty low. Just like you said regarding the tranquil reversal, even though the elves maybe more attuned to the fade before, after thousands of years of being separated from the fade, they may not have the mental capacity anymore, it's both a regression and an adaptation, the new "synthesis" with fade might just "fry" their minds. The same can be said about the spirits and demons, it would be total chaos for both worlds. 

Anyway, I don't see how the modern elves could ever benefit from the current situations. If Solas succeeds, then it's near-total annilation for them; in a more likely scenario where Solas fails, the elves will the target of all other races. The Qunari, Orlais and Ferelden already know this involves an elven god, and now with huge numbers of elven servant leaving the cities, I don't see how the human society could function properly and ignore this. Not to mention if the Tevinter elven slaves were to ever get involved, the empire's whole structure of society might just crumbled. The Imperials might have the highest stakes here. 

I know the city elves are pretty disgruntled about their current situation, but I still fail to see how Solas could attract such a hugh following without using false promises and lies by omission, OR maybe they are just THAT willing to sacrifice everything for a better future (for their children?). Still I find this exploitation of their despair and hope somewhat distasteful, reminds me of what Orsino said before he turned Harvester (illusion of hope and such). Maybe the Dalish wouldn't be so easily to swallow his lies because of his reputation, maybe there would be a showdown between the Dalish and the city elves as well as the general "elves against the world". 

[Bigdoser]

I dunno I don't think solas is lying to them about his goals, I think its more of a case that they are willing to die for the future generation so their kids don't have to live essentially as slaves or at the whims of humans.