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[Al Foley]

A broken record that EA/Bioware will listen to when crafting DA4. Not me specifically, but people who have a gripe with DAI.

You are fooling yourself if you think Bioware will not listen to our concerns.

Listen? Yes.  Do anything about?  We'll see. 

[vbibbi]

Listen? Yes.  Do anything about?  We'll see. 

Why wouldn't they implement user feedback? They have in all of their past games. And even if you think DAI is the best game ever, there's always room for improvement. I don't think anyone wants games to be a copy and paste from the previous in the series.

[Cobra's_back]

Lol did I pinch a nerve?

It is true that I hate DAI, but I have every much as right to post here as you do. Second, this is bigger than me. At the end of the day, Bioware WILL listen to our feedback whether you like it or not. People who priase DAI is one thing, but people who offer a counter narrative regarding the success of DAI and point out the games many flaws, Bioware will heed these concerns and expect DA4 to address our concerns.

To say Bioware "does not need us" might hold weight when you say it, but I doubt EA is going to ignore the popularity of games like Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 and just ignore the negative concerns of DAI. At the end of the day EA wants more and MORE profits. They will ensure that they can reach as many gamers as possible and if the pulse is that many gamers are being wow'd by TW3, then expect EA to take notice and see why that is and how can they get those players to buy into their own product (DA4).

Why would you? I don't consider your opinion fact. 

 

Your comment: "To say Bioware "does not need us"

 

You are not an us. I said your individual opinion would not be their direction. YOU are not a market. You are an individual who seems to have a real issue with Bioware. It is great that you feel the need to push Witcher 3. If you answered their survey, they already have your opinion along with everyone else. 

 

The game has been out for over a year. Why are you still here complaining? Why do you think a company needs to put out a TW 3 Me-Too product. Why not apply for a job at Bioware, and see if they are interested in your credentials?

[Cobra's_back]

I have not played any of The Witcher games so I'm not comparing them in any way to DAI.

 

The game is out, all DLCs have been released and presumably all patches are final. So there is little to no chance of having any further updates to DAI. What other purpose does a feedback community forum serve at this point in time, then, than to provide suggestions for the next game? This is the period of game development when fan feedback would count the most, I think, as the next game is only in the planning stages so is pretty malleable. Writing suggestions months before the release date is going to do nothing, and once the game is out the priority is bug fixes and DLC.

 

So what is the point of remaining on the DAI official forum now if not to provide feedback? Honestly, what do people discuss on the forum if they have no problem with the game whatsoever and have played it for about a year?  There's only so much to discuss at this point.

True, but that is not what Jazz is doing. He is a broken record. DAI needs to be Witcher 3 is his tune. Telling a company to be a ME-TOO is not the right solution. Repeating the same thing over and over is pointless.

[Al Foley]

Why wouldn't they implement user feedback? They have in all of their past games. And even if you think DAI is the best game ever, there's always room for improvement. I don't think anyone wants games to be a copy and paste from the previous in the series.

Clearly.  Hence 'we'll see.' I fully expect them to implement some changes, I fully expect them to implement some of the commonly held fan criticisms but which ones?  We shall see.  And we will see what this does to the final product. 

[Cobra's_back]

Listen? Yes.  Do anything about?  We'll see. 

They do and they have. That doesn't mean that one person speaks for all. You answered a survey, and gave them feedback. I don't care for multiplayer, but many people wanted it, and so it was added.

[Majestic Jazz]

True, but that is not what Jazz is doing. He is a broken record. DAI needs to be Witcher 3 is his tune. Telling a company to be a ME-TOO is not the right solution. Repeating the same thing over and over is pointless.

An exaggeration. I never said DA4 needs to be a carbon copy of TW3. I only said that Bioware should look at how CDPR did sidequest design/quality in TW3 as well as open world immersion. Like it or not, one of the big gripes that many had with DAI was the MMOish open-world design as well as the fetch quest and MMOish sidequest.

Obviously DA4 cannot do everything that TW3 does, but they can use some of TW3's strengths and incorporate them into DA4.

I mean, Bioware looked to Gears of War when creating ME2's combat after complaints of how bad the combat was in ME1. And this was AFTER ME1 was a critical and financial success....they still looked our negative feedback and fixed it in ME2 and ME3.

So Bioware has looked to other games as inspiration when making their own despite the success of the previous game. Expect DA4 have a tighter and more cinematic sidequest design as well as a more involving amd inmersive open world.

[correctamundo]

Why wouldn't they implement user feedback? They have in all of their past games. And even if you think DAI is the best game ever, there's always room for improvement. I don't think anyone wants games to be a copy and paste from the previous in the series.

 

Of course they listen to feedback. Broken whining records on the other hand they don't particularly listen to. Already with Frostback basin they implemented user feedback and criticism. Trespasser is even more obvious. And going forward to DA4 I am guessing some of the things, that Laidlaw has admitted to being experiments, that have been almost unanimous negatively recieved, will be changed. To some extent at any rate. But it won't be because of the broken record once again with his metacriticsblahblahblah or witcher this or witcher that. They will look at the witcher, they ARE playing the witcher among other games.

[Al Foley]

Of course they listen to feedback. Broken whining records on the other hand they don't particularly listen to. Already with Frostback basin they implemented user feedback and criticism. Trespasser is even more obvious. And going forward to DA4 I am guessing some of the things, that Laidlaw has admitted to being experiments, that have been almost unanimous negatively recieved, will be changed. To some extent at any rate. But it won't be because of the broken record once again with his metacriticsblahblahblah or witcher this or witcher that. They will look at the witcher, they ARE playing the witcher among other games.

Not to mention the mere fact that at least BioWare is willing to constantly improve and try out new things and try adopting and adapting other ideas rather then release the same product over and over again...at least generally speaking.  (Dark Souls, Halo, COD) 

[Elhanan]

Great point, I would like to hear Elhanan's rebuttle to this.

Except they actually have the 2014 GOTY Awards (eg; DICE) to back it up.... 

[Elhanan]

Its about time that DAI will go head to head with TW3!

I cannot wait to see TW3 get Ultimate GOTY with DAI as the competition. Finally it will show that people prefer TW3's storytelling and level of maturity to that of DAI.

Yes; because maturity is such a key element of this thread (see Title)....

[Elhanan]

I have not played any of The Witcher games so I'm not comparing them in any way to DAI.
 
The game is out, all DLCs have been released and presumably all patches are final. So there is little to no chance of having any further updates to DAI. What other purpose does a feedback community forum serve at this point in time, then, than to provide suggestions for the next game? This is the period of game development when fan feedback would count the most, I think, as the next game is only in the planning stages so is pretty malleable. Writing suggestions months before the release date is going to do nothing, and once the game is out the priority is bug fixes and DLC.
 
So what is the point of remaining on the DAI official forum now if not to provide feedback? Honestly, what do people discuss on the forum if they have no problem with the game whatsoever and have played it for about a year?  There's only so much to discuss at this point.

One difference is that you have currently offered constructive criticism and have been civil in the discussions, IMO. And you have not given me personally any reason to place your posts on an Ignore setting. Haters; not so much....

[Majestic Jazz]

Of course they listen to feedback. Broken whining records on the other hand they don't particularly listen to. Already with Frostback basin they implemented user feedback and criticism. Trespasser is even more obvious. And going forward to DA4 I am guessing some of the things, that Laidlaw has admitted to being experiments, that have been almost unanimous negatively recieved, will be changed. To some extent at any rate. But it won't be because of the broken record once again with his metacriticsblahblahblah or witcher this or witcher that. They will look at the witcher, they ARE playing the witcher among other games.

 

Well it was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to improve the combat from ME1 going into ME2.

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to improve the claustrophobic/repetitive environments from DA2 going into DAI.

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to release the Extended Cut DLC for Mass Effect 3.

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to release the Black Emporium for DAI to allow players to edit their IQs. 

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware/EA to no longer release characters as DLC like Sebastion in DA2 and Javik in ME3.

 

 

At the end of the day negative feedback is negative feedback. Whether it is soft negative feedback or hard negative feedback that is highly aggressive. Bioware and to an extent, Electronic Arts will take notice of it and address it in DA4. I could careless if you  and Elhanan classify my gripes with DAI as nonconstructive and broken record, cause at the end of the day, what I say mirrors what many others hate about DAI. I just say it in a more aggressive way while others says it in a more presentable way. Either way, the message is being sent and Bioware will take notice. 

[Il Divo]

Except they actually have the 2014 GOTY Awards (eg; DICE) to back it up.... 

 

 That isn't a counter-argument.

[Elhanan]

That isn't a counter-argument.

They might object:

[Majestic Jazz]

They might object:

 

But with D.I.C.E, DAI did not go against the same competition as it going against now with the Golden Joystick Awards. 

 

We will see how it fairs against MGS5, Witcher 3, and others as part of the more stiffer 2015 lineup of games.

[Elhanan]

But with D.I.C.E, DAI did not go against the same competition as it going against now with the Golden Joystick Awards. 
 
We will see how it fairs against MGS5, Witcher 3, and others as part of the more stiffer 2015 lineup of games.

Yes; because a voting site such as the titled Golden Joystick is equivalent to the DICE Awards:

http://www.interacti...wards/index.asp

[Majestic Jazz]

Yes; because a voting site such as the titled Golden Joystick is equivalent to the DICE Awards:

http://www.interacti...wards/index.asp

 

Two different entities.

 

I mean, are you actually saying that the opinion of the gamers do not count? 

 

That is what makes the Gold Joystick awards so interesting because it is the People's Gaming Awards. It is a reflection of what we the gamers are inspired by at the moment and has been going on for 30+ years. Furthermore, DAI is going against stiffer competition this with some of the current 2015 big hits in categories such as

 

Best Storytelling

Best Visual Design

Best Gaming Moment

Game of the Year

 

If DAI is such an honored and well received game as you believe it to be, then shouldn't DAI also be voted by the people as Ultimate Game of the Year in the Golden Joystick Awards? 

[Heimdall]

Two different entities.

 

I mean, are you actually saying that the opinion of the gamers do not count? 

 

That is what makes the Gold Joystick awards so interesting because it is the People's Gaming Awards. It is a reflection of what we the gamers are inspired by at the moment and has been going on for 30+ years. Furthermore, DAI is going against stiffer competition this with some of the current 2015 big hits in categories such as

 

Best Storytelling

Best Visual Design

Best Gaming Moment

Game of the Year

 

If DAI is such an honored and well received game as you believe it to be, then shouldn't DAI also be voted by the people as Ultimate Game of the Year in the Golden Joystick Awards? 

I don't think it follows that in order to be a well received game DAI must be better received than all other well received games in the past year.

[Elhanan]

I don't think it follows that in order to be a well received game DAI must be better received than all other well received games in the past year.

Agreed. This is an award to be given; DAI has already won awards. Proof not required.

[Ashaantha]

I'd think that the fact it's actually a nomination for golden joystick, along with other other popular games, would be proof enough. it doesn't need to win, just like movies/actors and the golden globes. Winning is awesome, but the baseline fact that they're nominated is deference enough.

[Majestic Jazz]

Agreed. This is an award to be given; DAI has already won awards. Proof not required.

 

I'd think that the fact it's actually a nomination for golden joystick, along with other other popular games, would be proof enough. it doesn't need to win, just like movies/actors and the golden globes. Winning is awesome, but the baseline fact that they're nominated is deference enough.

 

 

I don't think it follows that in order to be a well received game DAI must be better received than all other well received games in the past year.

 

 

Lol okay, so after months of claiming how popular DAI is cause of its 130+ GOTY awards and most successful Bioware launch ever.....you want to back down and lower the expectations for DAI winning this time suddenly now that it appears that DAI might not win cause there is stiffer competition?

 

Lol okay.....

 

In fact, I would say this award means more #1 cause it is voted on by us the gamers and #2, it is done months after DAI and the other games are out, which gives us more time to finally understand how well we liked or did not like the game.

 

Don't try to back down or lower expectations now. I have always said that despite those 130+ awards, DAI is not that popular of a game right now after people have played it and developed a better understanding of what it is, especially after playing TW3 and seeing how great it handled side quest. So yeah, DAI should win right?

[vbibbi]

True, but that is not what Jazz is doing. He is a broken record. DAI needs to be Witcher 3 is his tune. Telling a company to be a ME-TOO is not the right solution. Repeating the same thing over and over is pointless.

 

 

Clearly.  Hence 'we'll see.' I fully expect them to implement some changes, I fully expect them to implement some of the commonly held fan criticisms but which ones?  We shall see.  And we will see what this does to the final product. 

 

 

Of course they listen to feedback. Broken whining records on the other hand they don't particularly listen to. Already with Frostback basin they implemented user feedback and criticism. Trespasser is even more obvious. And going forward to DA4 I am guessing some of the things, that Laidlaw has admitted to being experiments, that have been almost unanimous negatively recieved, will be changed. To some extent at any rate. But it won't be because of the broken record once again with his metacriticsblahblahblah or witcher this or witcher that. They will look at the witcher, they ARE playing the witcher among other games.

 

 

Well it was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to improve the combat from ME1 going into ME2.

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to improve the claustrophobic/repetitive environments from DA2 going into DAI.

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to release the Extended Cut DLC for Mass Effect 3.

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware to release the Black Emporium for DAI to allow players to edit their IQs. 

 

It was because of the "whining records" that compelled Bioware/EA to no longer release characters as DLC like Sebastion in DA2 and Javik in ME3.

 

 

At the end of the day negative feedback is negative feedback. Whether it is soft negative feedback or hard negative feedback that is highly aggressive. Bioware and to an extent, Electronic Arts will take notice of it and address it in DA4. I could careless if you  and Elhanan classify my gripes with DAI as nonconstructive and broken record, cause at the end of the day, what I say mirrors what many others hate about DAI. I just say it in a more aggressive way while others says it in a more presentable way. Either way, the message is being sent and Bioware will take notice. 

 

 

I think it speaks well for Bioware that they evoke strong emotion amongst their fans, and that the variety of opinions on their features shows the diversity in their audience. I will hope that these discussions help provide a balanced view of what fans enjoyed and didn't and show the broad spread of player types who play their games. DA is a rare type of narrative game series for me, and I haven't been able to find equivalent games for the most part. So I genuinely do want DA4 to be a success, like DAI was. But I do hope that the critical feedback is incorporated along with the positive, and if they do end up using TW3 as inspiration much as Skyrim, that they don't overcompensate in that direction. Bio needs to remember to keep DA a DA game at its core.

[Heimdall]

Lol okay, so after months of claiming how DAI popular DAI is cause of its 130+ GOTY awards and most successful Bioware launch ever.....you want to back down and lower the expectations for DAI winning this time suddenly now that it appears that DAI might not win cause there is stiffer competition?

 

Lol okay.....

That there are so many GOTY awards attributed to it does indicate a good reception, regardless of competition at the time.  A game doesn't have to win GOTY at all to have had a good reception, but it did.  The sheer volume of them are indicative, whether you like it or not.  Saying it has to be better received than the best games of the following year to prove it is just you shifting the goalpost.

 

This is a different contest with different games that are all wildly popular.  If it was released in 2015, DAI may not have won those GOTY awards it did last year.  But that doesn't mean it wasn't well received.  Just that it wasn't as well received as these extremely popular anticipated titles.  That's not much of a failing.

[Majestic Jazz]

If it was released in 2015, DAI may not have won those GOTY awards it did last year. 

 

 

100%

 

The only point I am trying to get it at which is that yes, DAI is a liked game in many circles. There are people where to clamp down on DAI's 130+ GOTY Awards and being Bioware's most successful launch as a reason to believe that DAI is a masterpiece of a game that is near perfection which is simply not the case. I applaud Bioware on the social issues that they tackle in DAI. I applaud Bioware for the level of customization they gave us (2 male voices and 2 female voices). I also applaud Bioware for leaving their comfort zone and attempting the open world approach. However, I do not applaud Bioware on their handling of sidequest and and limited cutscenes which has always been my main arguments.

 

I always said that DAI won most of those awards because it was a novelty, being that it was the 1st AAA Next Gen RPG title so there was a level of awe surrounding DAI cause it was "the 1st". But that novelty has sense worn off now that many gamers have played Witcher 3 and has saw what Fallout 4 has in store for us. Now the hype and raze surrounding DAI isn't as strong as it was say....October 2014. People now have had time to fully comprehend DAI for what it is and have either confirmed their joy for DAI (like many in this thread) and many have also went the other way and came to the conclusion that DAI wasn't really what they wanted and hopes that IF there is a DA4, that Bioware will make many changes. Call it whining or nonconstructive criticism, it doesn't matter. What matters is that there is a voice of gamers who has expressed their frustrations with DAI and Bioware/EA will heed these concerns or else they may lose these consumers to a comepitior's product and like somebody said, EA is in the business to make profit. But furthermore, EA is in the business to MAXIMIZE profit. Why settle for a $100 profit if there is an opportunity to make a $1000 profit?

 

Believe it or not, there are people here who actually believe (or hope) that DA4 will be a copy & paste of DAI but with shinier graphics simply on the basis that it won 130+ GOTY awards and was Bioware's most "successful" launch ever. Since when did Bioware ever take that approach?