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#226
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How could any fan of story telling possibly prefer a new character, who is totally emotionally divorced from this entire situation to have the Final Showdown with Solas, over the Inquisitor, who Bioware just set up perfectly. It makes no sense from a story telling perspective to do something like that. If ANYONE but the Inquisitor gets the Final Solas showdown, it will be nothing but a giant missed opportunity. It will lack the emotional gut punch the scene should have, the emotional pay-off for the characters involved and even the players pay-off will suffer.

Now you're feeling how I felt when the Inquisitor fought Corypheus instead of Hawke. To me, it was obvious that this fight was meant to be Hawke's. But now that I see how the Inquisitor lost a limb, I'd rather not have Hawke losing his arm.


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^^ Have to agree with that. The Inquisitor being the one to fight Corypheus felt like it wasn't meant to be.... and felt odd since the Inquisitor didn't have any connection to Corypheus really. Would have been interesting if Inq was just the Herald of Andraste and Hawke was Inq given that this problem came from the whole Mage/Templar was which Hawke had quite an impact on.



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Sorry but that pales in comparison if it's any comparison at all. There was no emotional investment with Hawke and Corypheus. There are some who didn't even know they had a past unless they bought the DLC (including myself). With Solas and The Inquisitor, it was within the main story and was completely left with a huge question mark at the end of Inquisition. Now with those questions answered it would be a huge disappointment if anyone else but the inquisitor came back to make this right. Would be a complete let down actually. I was looking forward to moving forward but with how trespasser left us hanging, I feel it's only right to bring the inquisitor. No closure with the ending in trespasser at all.
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Does anyone know if drinking from the well of sorrows changes anything in trespasser? Can Solas control you now he has Mythal's power? Or did the control die with her and you get to keep all the knowledge? I know you can get the spirit guardians who're fighting the qunari not to attack you, but is there anything else?

My lavellan drank from the well and it was only mentioned once. Solas apparently can't or most likely won't control you with Mythal's power. It would kind of go against his whole "free still is the ****" stance. Still don't understand why he doesn't just let the mark kill you. Like you tell him "We're not even people to you." Wouldn't it be like euthanizing a sick animal in his mind?

I'm more concerned with all the city elves apparently booking it to whatever stronghold he has set up.

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I'm more concerned with all the city elves apparently booking it to whatever stronghold he has set up.

 

Going off the epilogue slides, a number of Dalish may have disappeared as well.. 



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My lavellan drank from the well and it was only mentioned once. Solas apparently can't or most likely won't control you with Mythal's power. It would kind of go against his whole "free still is the ****" stance. Still don't understand why he doesn't just let the mark kill you. Like you tell him "We're not even people to you." Wouldn't it be like euthanizing a sick animal in his mind?

I'm more concerned with all the city elves apparently booking it to whatever stronghold he has set up.

Er cause he actually cares about the romance/friend inquisitor and won't allow them to die a extremely painful death via a fade mark devouring your body. Also as you said Solas using mythal geas against you goes against his ideals. 



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Solas makes it pretty clear this is a temporary solution to a much larger problem, a problem he doesn't fix, by the way. 

You don't understand his solution. it was to magically seal it.. Not cut it off. The inquisitor did that on their own.



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Now you're feeling how I felt when the Inquisitor fought Corypheus instead of Hawke. To me, it was obvious that this fight was meant to be Hawke's. But now that I see how the Inquisitor lost a limb, I'd rather not have Hawke losing his arm.

 

Like I've always suspected. I am 95% sure Hawke was suppose to be the Inquisitor in the original design document. The backlash of DA2 brought the plan to a halt and had start that part of the plan over. I fully agree that Hawke should have been the one. Like Hawke himself said. He unleashed the monster, He had to make it right. The Blood of the Hawke should have put him away, just as it unleashed him. This time however, it's a tiny bit different. We didn't know then that Cory would bring the world to it's knees. Cory wasn't a party member who played you like a fiddle, who possibly woo'd you and romanced you. The Dread Wolf is true to his name. You were a pawn, like Hawke, but also more. You got roped into cleaning up HIS mess. This is beyond even what Hawke and Cory had. I can boldly proclaim it here. This is just as personal, as Sun Li The Glorious Strategist betraying you in your moment of triumph. The gut punch is just as bad as that too. I never believed they could ever get close to Sun Li levels of antagonists again. This is a golden opportunity for Bioware. I honestly, truly, hope beyond all hope, that Bioware reads these Forums, and understands the brilliance they have created with this. If done right, this could be the greatest rivalry of all Bioware games, and possibly many others.


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I wonder if the hero of dragon age 4 will be a slave, if they're from tevinter and have the option of not being a human then chances are they will be a slave to a magister or something.
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I just watched a video with the secret option talking to Solas if you have low approval.

 

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But yeah, I really hope they re-do how they approach the Main Character. It took until Trespasser for me to connect to my Inquisitor, where as Warden and Hawke was right of the start.

 

Hopefully they give us multiple background choices where we play a short prologue, like Origins. Then one of them could be a non-noble Human/Elf or a Drawf or a Qunari, and we're a Slave. It would fit the theme.


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How could any fan of story telling possibly prefer a new character, who is totally emotionally divorced from this entire situation to have the Final Showdown with Solas, over the Inquisitor, who Bioware just set up perfectly. It makes no sense from a story telling perspective to do something like that. If ANYONE but the Inquisitor gets the Final Solas showdown, it will be nothing but a giant missed opportunity. It will lack the emotional gut punch the scene should have, the emotional pay-off for the characters involved and even the players pay-off will suffer.

The Inquisitor was uninvolved with Corypheus until they got dragged into it. The new protagonist will probably get dragged into Solas' plans somehow. And the Inquisitor will still be fighting Solas, we'll just be acting as their proxy if the ending of Tresspasser is any indication. And Solas' will be using pawns of his own. This battle has just shifted to a fight between chessmasters (Not to say the new protagonist will knowingly performing this role or can't reject it). I'm quite attracted to the idea actually.
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You got roped into cleaning up HIS mess. This is beyond even what Hawke and Cory had. I can boldly proclaim it here. This is just as personal, as Sun Li The Glorious Strategist betraying you in your moment of triumph. The gut punch is just as bad as that too. I never believed they could ever get close to Sun Li levels of antagonists again. This is a golden opportunity for Bioware.

 

There is that, yes. Jade Empire was an underappreciated game, brilliant in some ways and especially with its villain. To pull this off with Solas again, the Inquisitor absolutely must remain an active presence, and must be there at the final showdown to finish this under player control. Not as a Hawke-like tagalong. Even then, I'm not sure they will reach that level of brilliance with this arc. On one hand, the bond between Li and his student didn't get nearly as much screen time as Solas did with the Inquisitor -- the emotional investment is a lot higher, and so is the potential payoff. On the other hand, Jade Empire was a self-contained story that never lost focus after the great betrayal. This is not, it will be heavily fractured by time and by us having to play one or more random newcomers instead of the Inquisitor. They will have to work hard to keep that personal connection real and honest, i.e. between the Inquisitor (and the other old characters) and Solas, instead of allowing or encouraging that connection to "bleed over" into the new protagonist(s).

 

I wish they'd just bloody drop that inanely arbitrary "one game per protagonist" rule already. :mellow: The slap-in-the-face mutilation doesn't make it any better.


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The Inquisitor was uninvolved with Corypheus until they got dragged into it. The new protagonist will probably get dragged into Solas' plans somehow. And the Inquisitor will still be fighting Solas, we'll just be acting as their proxy if the ending of Tresspasser is any indication. And Solas' will be using pawns of his own. This battle has just shifted to a fight between chessmasters (Not to say the new protagonist will knowingly performing this role or can't reject it). I'm quite attracted to the idea actually.

 

I've already said why it has to be the inquisitor. It absolutely has to be.
 
I don't frankly care what they decided some ten or so years ago, about characters only getting 1 game, and any loose ends after that game are **** out of luck. Who cares about emotional closure for these characters, who cares if they have dangling threads hanging over your heads, who cares about whatever sequel bait we give you using said character. Any and all loose ends we may or may not acknowledge about said characters are irrelevant because "Thedas is the character" (which does not really say anything, or even really justify's why characters only get 1 whole game). All the characters do is clean up the mess the last one left, and by the time there done, there is juuuuust enough time left for THEM to make their own mess so the NEXT guy has something to clean up for the next 2/3 of the next game. It is frankly a pointless pattern of repetition with the next convenient Baddy Of The Week to harasses you. Nothing really happens, there is no overarching plot, or threat, because everything HAS to be tied up in a cute little bow just enough so the world will limp on long enough for the next character to get their shot in the revolving door of relevance. This "1 game 1 character" nonsense needs to stop. It is butchering so much potential. A character getting more than one game does not mean they usurp this entire Franchise.
 
Solas is clearly someone that was planned from Day 1 of Dragon Age Origins. There is evidence everywhere to support that line of thought. This is the first time this setting has actually had a bad guy that can be more than just Baddy Of The Week. But by continuing this pattern of Revolving Door heroes, they remove all emotional investment the characters have regarding the figure in question. The new characters don't have the emotional baggage that will make fighting them so worthwhile to begin with. Sure the players have it to some degree, but not as much as they would be if the character remained the same until that particular bit of baggage is stored away. Shepard is the best example of this. Replace Solas with Saren/The Reapers. would you have really been all that invested if Shepard ACTUALLY died in ME2, and got replaced by either Miranda or Jacob? Then they die or get crippled or w/e and another guy took over in ME3 to finish the fight? I highly doubt you would have been. Particular antagonists are linked to particular protagonists, due to actions over the course of the story. Simply slotting another guy in to deal with him diminishes the experience in ways I cannot express. 
 
Solas is linked, irreparably to the Inquisitor due to their interactions. He played you, utterly and completely. You were a tool, not even a person to him. A bug who destroying is a mercy he wishes to grant you, because to him your life has no value or meaning. He tricked you into cleaning up the mess of his failed plan to destroy you and everyone you ever knew. You were nothing but a pawn on his chess board, all while possibly whispering sweet nothings into your ear and telling you how important you are to him. This is betrayal of the deepest levels. things that rock a person to their very core. Your character declared, in no uncertain terms, that they are coming for him, because of what he did. What he did not just to the world, or what he plans to do to it, but what he did to you. It is Revenge, it is Closure, it is Justice, it is Love, it is Rage. It is all of these things. The whole game was not about Corypheus, he was merely a side affect of the cause. The Inquisition was formed to close the Breach, to find and stop those responsible, and restore order to the chaos, with or without anyone's approval. That duty has not been fulfilled. The culprit is still out there, and has no plans to stop. This story is not over. The Warden's story IS over. Hawke's story IS over. THIS one though....is not over. It is in fact, just beginning. Because the gloves are off, no more masks, no more deceptions. Everyone knows who the players are now. Now....now the real battle begins. 
 
They don't need to be the PC in the future, they just need to remain relevant. They need to take an active role in the events of the future. They need to be more than just "That one special guy down south who did stuff". They need to be, perhaps, a PC you take control of for special events, like the Joker sequence on the Normandy, or the Companions at Denerim's Gates. One of those special moments, has to be confronting Solas. Hell that can be the ONLY special moment for all I care. They can be an active cameo for the rest if they really refuse to budge on this. But they must, without questions or hesitation, be there at the Final Confrontation, and we, the player, need to have control over what is said. I cannot express any clearer why this HAS to be. I've never been more sure of anything in my life as someone who enjoys fiction or story telling. I was ready to put the Inquisitor aside, ready to move to on to the next guy out of the revolving door. But Trespasser has changed everything about this character, and their relationship with both Solas and this Setting as a whole.

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#239
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...I don't think you actually understand Solas' motivations.

Anyway, my point is that the Inquisitor isn't being dropped, nor is their connection to Solas being ignored.
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...I don't think you actually understand Solas' motivations.

Anyway, my point is that the Inquisitor isn't being dropped, nor is their connection to Solas being ignored.

 

 Oh I totally understand his motivations. I simply choose to not give him sympathy. He does not deserve it.


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Bioware could also make an extended version of Trespasser to give us more closure.



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I wonder if the hero of dragon age 4 will be a slave, if they're from tevinter and have the option of not being a human then chances are they will be a slave to a magister or something.

 

I like this idea - it's a GREAT idea!


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Is it just me or does Solas have some great gams in that new outfit?  Hubba Hubba... anyway, what a bastard he is!!  Love him/hate him at the same time.  I personally think he took the arm because he doesn't want to have to fight you in the future?  Keeps the mark from killing you but might also keep you from killing him later.  Has anyone attacked him right from the get-go?  What were the results of that approach?  That's what I plan to do with one of my characters but haven't been able to yet. 



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I actually imagined there would be a final scene at Skyhold..... you and your romance character (or someone else if you didn't romance anyone) amd they ask you how your coping and look meaningful at your arm. You smile and say oh this... and a new hand literally grows with the familar green energy at the edge as it grow and your eyes flash green.

 

The theory being that even without the mark, it has changed you - something Solas probably wouldn't have expected.


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Can you still free roam after trespasser?



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Can you still free roam after trespasser?

 

 No, this is the definitive end. You need to either make a new game, or load an older save.


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It was either lose an arm or die. Pretty easy decision. You knew something like that was coming though, the inquisitor was just too OP to keep existing like that. Bit of a shame though that at the end they say their adventuring days are over. I'm sure all the classes would be able to fix up some workaround. 



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Is it just me or does Solas have some great gams in that new outfit?  Hubba Hubba... anyway, what a bastard he is!!  Love him/hate him at the same time.  I personally think he took the arm because he doesn't want to have to fight you in the future?  Keeps the mark from killing you but might also keep you from killing him later.  Has anyone attacked him right from the get-go?  What were the results of that approach?  That's what I plan to do with one of my characters but haven't been able to yet.




It's pretty much the same cutscenes towards the end of the conversation without all the extra dialogue where the mark acts out & the inquisitor falls on his knees from the agony and Solas takes his hand to prevent it from spreading so he has that extra time to live. I read that somewhere because I too was curious on that dialogue choice.

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Don't read if you haven't finished the DLC. Go play it now or watch streams then come back.

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I completely agree with you! I even asked Patrick Weekes on Twitter if Dagna could make the Inquisitor a Metal, Lyrium, Runic, Mechanical arm/hand like Ash's from Army of Darkness and he replied back, "Anything is Possible" 

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Having just finished Trespasser last night with my beautiful, darling male Elf who fell so head-over-heels for Cassandra (why did he do that?) ... I am in shock.

 

Since when does an epilogue end on a cliffhanger?

 

An epilogue is supposed to tie things up neatly, not leave a whole story unanswered. Is this bad writing? Or is there more DLC coming?

 

Consider this. Inquisitor has showdown with Solas. It doesn't matter whether you choose to redeem him or stop him -- Solas knows you're going to do it. He would LIKE you to prove him wrong, as you proved him wrong before. He KNOWS you're going to try to stop him, but he doesn't turn you to stone like he did the Qunari. He wants to give you a chance to do it.

 

Then, having just discovered that the hole in the sky you healed was all for nothing, and there's an even bigger hole coming, you go back to the Exalted Council and don't even mention this??? Eh what? You're going to disband the Inquisition for a little bit of political peace? My Inquisition is a mild-mannered, mind-his-own-business and knows-his-place elf, who never wanted to be Inquisitor and is still overwhelmed by it all, but he's not going to just sit back. As he is still a sucker for Cassandra, he decided - given the options - to become an honour guard for his darling, but I played it through with disbanding as well. None of it makes sense.

 

The lack of arm is not an issue for me. Solas stilled the anchor to give them time to talk. He took the anchor and the arm to give the Inquisitor more time - presumably to solve the bigger problem. And then it all just... stops.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! This is not an issue for DA4. It is not for the Inquisitor to take a back seat and oversee some new protagonist. He swore to Solas that HE would stop him.

 

He was offered a place in Red Jenny by Sera, which he turned down. He never did her pranks either, but they spent a lot of roof-time together. He is fond of her, in a fatherly kind of way. He doesn't need to replace his arm with some kind of prosthesis - the fade arm and the anchor is still very much there, just not visible. At the moment.

 

After a night's sleep, I am still in shock. This is a classic cliffhanger. It can't just end here, like this, with everything unfinished.


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