It's amusing that people think they can beat someone that has the power to turn others into stone with an blink. I guess being Inquisitor really made people get over their heads. The likelihood is that you're the one ripped to shreds next time you meet Solas.
Lol at people thinking they can kill Solas. The Evanuris (which he's part of) can't be killed so easily. The most you can do seal him up. Murder knifing him is an option, but futile.
Honestly, what makes him different from Corypheus? Corypheus did what he thought was right, he was just a loyal priest hoping to bring back the Old Gods. He woke up to find his nation on the verge of collapse and that he unintentionally brought the Blight and might've been deceived by the Old Gods.
He's fighting to restore Old Tevinter just as Solas is fighting to restore the Old Elvhen Empire.
Solas will use all those Elf soldiers and dispose of them just like he did with Felassan "The slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaw" - Cole.
You can argue that "he feels sorry" for doing it, but the same can be said about what little we know about Corypheus: he felt sorry that he's going to bind the Drinker of the Well of Sorrows, especially Calpurnia. But it was all for the greater good.
Time will tell how he'll use his elf army though I doubt it won't be any different from Corypheus ... he'll actually know how to use all these ancient magic/ devises for one thing.
Solas has such a low opinion of the world that even if the Inquisitor's generation is able to convince that they're worth saving, what about future generations? There's nothing stopping him from doing it again.
He could have taken a page from Mythal and still help The People who call to "Asha' Bellanar" what's even more interesting is that Flemythal still refer to elves as The People which says alot
The main difference between them is characterization.
Pretty much this. Solas is the real Elder One.
Solas wants to destroy the world, likely killing a large quantity of people, if not absolutely everyone but any remaining dormant elves.
Like, that's not a good thing. No matter how you slant it. I don't think that's in question.
The 'I won't give up on you' option, however, does not agree with him - in fact, it involves challenging him on his bullshit and telling him to get a clue. Given that in dialogue with a friendly/romanced Inquisitor, Solas readily admits that his initial viewpoint - that modern thedosians aren't actually people - has been challenged by them, and that he freely admits that his actions are monstrous, and that he welcomes the Inquisitor challenging them, it seems that:
a) he's a confused mess, who is struggled to come to terms with how twisted his sense of morality has to be in order to achieve his goals, and really nowhere near as smart as he makes out.
his mind could probably be changed, given how bloody reluctant he is about the whole affair, and given that he actively encourages the Inquisitor to carry on with their work.
Thus, attempting to challenge Solas' ideas, rather than killing him/banishing him, is hardly impossible in the case of a friendly/romanced Inquisitor. The outcome: the world is not destroyed, everyone lives, is the same. The only difference is whether you feel Solas will receive justice, or will be forgiven. (Not touching that can of worms - it's not as important as saving the world).
Really, anyone who doesn't know Solas would probably just choose to stop him the easy way. Stopping him the hard way is really only a recognition of the good relationship the Inquisitor has with Solas, and a nod of respect to who he was as Solas, rather than Fen'Harel. It's not necessary. It's also not apologetic of his actions in the slightest.
DAI wasn't an entire narrative arc around Solas. Solas got a teaser-epilogue to reveal his importance and provide a 'gotcha' re-think of his character, and shared an epilogue DLC with two other major plots (the fate of the Inquisition, and Qunari).
Solas is introduced to give the player foreshadowing and insight of the future plotlines. The Inquisitor is no more required for this than Hawke was required to resolve Mage-Templar.
The Inquisitor has an established relationship with Solas, whether positive or negative, meaning that the plotline where his arc will be resolved would be more compelling dramatically if Solas was challenged in the end by the Inquisitor.
It's not required. It's just, in this particular case, it would likely be a more engaging ecnounter. Compare: the Inquisitor vs. Corypheus, a villain with similar goals, where Corypheus' character motives weren't developed, very little was established between Corypheus and the Inquisitor asides from 'grr, I'll stop you', and there was hardly any dramatic tension. One wonders whether it'd be better if Corypheus was replaced with a characterless force of nature - arguably, that'd be far more compelling. Solas would make a much better antagonist for the Inquisitor given the whole 'betrayed/lied to you by omission' aspect makes it personal, and just more interesting from a viewer's perspective.
my plan is to wipeout the dalish clan by clan till he gets mad....then ill start on the city pointy eared lot..then ill breed the halla with nugs..that'll make him think twice
Solas does not giving a flying **** about modern elves - excepting maybe the Inquisitor, if they are one - so this would be pointless.
My characters will always have a power that Solas will never have. They have the power of being the protagonist of a video game, so the likelihood is that Solas will die instead of the PC.
I got some bad news for you
Not even game protagonists are death proof.
It would be hilarious if the redemption path is the only way to stop Solas for good. A bitter pill for his haters to swallow.
We also could give him some of his own medicine and seal him away, to suffer.I got some bad news for you
Not even game protagonists are death proof.
It would be hilarious if the redemption path is the only way to stop Solas for good. A bitter pill for his haters to swallow.
I got some bad news for you
Not even game protagonists are death proof.
It would be hilarious if the redemption path is the only way to stop Solas for good. A bitter pill for his haters to swallow.
Didn't this guy kill basically everyone he set out to kill before the end, though? And those he didn't manage to kill, ended up getting violently killed by the next best thing. The PC dying will be of no comfort at all if they manage to kill Solas first. And lets be honest, if it came down to Solas vs the PC, the PC is going to pull out the win. Just like the HOF did, and Hawke did (twice) and the Inquisitor did vs Cory.
Solas wants to destroy the world, likely killing a large quantity of people, if not absolutely everyone but any remaining dormant elves.
Like, that's not a good thing. No matter how you slant it. I don't think that's in question.
The 'I won't give up on you' option, however, does not agree with him - in fact, it involves challenging him on his bullshit and telling him to get a clue. Given that in dialogue with a friendly/romanced Inquisitor, Solas readily admits that his initial viewpoint - that modern thedosians aren't actually people - has been challenged by them, and that he freely admits that his actions are monstrous, and that he welcomes the Inquisitor challenging them, it seems that:
a) he's a confused mess, who is struggled to come to terms with how twisted his sense of morality has to be in order to achieve his goals, and really nowhere near as smart as he makes out.
Thus, attempting to challenge Solas' ideas, rather than killing him/banishing him, is hardly impossible in the case of a friendly/romanced Inquisitor. The outcome: the world is not destroyed, everyone lives, is the same. The only difference is whether you feel Solas will receive justice, or will be forgiven. (Not touching that can of worms - it's not as important as saving the world).
Really, anyone who doesn't know Solas would probably just choose to stop him the easy way. Stopping him the hard way is really only a recognition of the good relationship the Inquisitor has with Solas, and a nod of respect to who he was as Solas, rather than Fen'Harel. It's not necessary. It's also not apologetic of his actions in the slightest.
The Inquisitor has an established relationship with Solas, whether positive or negative, meaning that the plotline where his arc will be resolved would be more compelling dramatically if Solas was challenged in the end by the Inquisitor.
It's not required. It's just, in this particular case, it would likely be a more engaging ecnounter. Compare: the Inquisitor vs. Corypheus, a villain with similar goals, where Corypheus' character motives weren't developed, very little was established between Corypheus and the Inquisitor asides from 'grr, I'll stop you', and there was hardly any dramatic tension. One wonders whether it'd be better if Corypheus was replaced with a characterless force of nature - arguably, that'd be far more compelling. Solas would make a much better antagonist for the Inquisitor given the whole 'betrayed/lied to you by omission' aspect makes it personal, and just more interesting from a viewer's perspective.
Solas does not giving a flying **** about modern elves - excepting maybe the Inquisitor, if they are one - so this would be pointless.
it the halla part of the plan isn't it? what about changing landship wheels to cheese or stealing the book again from behing the First?
I got some bad news for you
Not even game protagonists are death proof.
It would be hilarious if the redemption path is the only way to stop Solas for good. A bitter pill for his haters to swallow.
Wow, like I haven't heard that line of argument on every 'benevolent' / Paragon choice ever.
'It'd be hilarious if only my desired route was successful and valid.'
As I said, the likelihood of he dying is way higher than the Inquisitor, your examples are exceptions (and some of them can survive in the end), not the rulw.We also could give him some of his own medicine and seal him away, to suffer.
But you are right, many cool protagonist didn't made it, 3/4 from Bioshock died, Giacomo, the Rookie, Starkiller, Shepard, HoF, Hawke and soon we'll have to dig a grave for Master Chief.
Didn't this guy kill basically everyone he set out to kill before the end, though? And those he didn't manage to kill, ended up getting violently killed by the next best thing. The PC dying will be of no comfort at all if they manage to kill Solas first. And lets be honest, if it came down to Solas vs the PC, the PC is going to pull out the win. Just like the HOF did, and Hawke did (twice) and the Inquisitor did vs Cory.
In Origins you only lived if the other warden sacrificed himself or if you performed the ritual. Given that Mythal is likely the source of the ritual, it's likely Elvhen magic. In DA:I the only reason you survived and defeated Corypheus was because Solas nudged you along and you had access to some of the Elvhen magic he had. Every time you needed to save the world from destruction (so DA:II doesn't count), you've needed Elvhen magic. Now that he has his strength back, you would need to find something more powerful than Elvhen magic to stop him.
Wow, like I haven't heard that line of argument on every 'benevolent' / Paragon choice ever.
'It'd be hilarious if only my desired route was successful and valid.'
As I said, the likelihood of he dying is way higher than the Inquisitor, your examples are exceptions (and some of them can survive in the end), not the rulw.
my plan is to wipeout the dalish clan by clan till he gets mad....then ill start on the city pointy eared lot..then ill breed the halla with nugs..that'll make him think twice
If he becomes a writer's pet, any protagonist will be pretty much screwed against him, Leliana was not a mage and she came back, it had no sense.
In Origins you only lived if the other warden sacrificed himself or if you performed the ritual. Given that Mythal is likely the source of the ritual, it's likely Elvhen magic. In DA:I the only reason you survived and defeated Corypheus was because Solas nudged you along and you had access to some of the Elvhen magic he had. Every time you needed to save the world from destruction (so DA:II doesn't count), you've needed Elvhen magic. Now that he has his strength back, you would need to find something more powerful than Elvhen magic to stop him.
The protagonist surviving is irrelevant to Solas dying. At the end of the day, the HoF saw the Archdemon dead.
And it hardly matters how Solas dies, just that he does so. If it takes some knowledge from dead elves, so what? If it takes magic not from dead elves, so what?
Solas tells us he's got his strength back, but neglects to mention how. The Inquisitor would have no way to know and no reason to question, but we as players ought to be looking at that askance. Does Solas actually have his own strength back after two years, or would it be more accurate to say that he has Mythal's strength as a crutch? And if it is Mythal's strength propping him up, what happens should it be taken from him?
If he becomes a writer's pet, any protagonist will be pretty much screwed against him, Leliana was not a mage and she came back, it had no sense.
He doesn't care much about any modern elves they are not his people. That wont work baha
stop spying on me baldy!!!
there is only o e explanation that is needed and makes sense "writer's pet"Leliana "died" in a place with very strange things going on. There are a number of possible explanations that make sense.
I don't get this genocide is okay attitude because I have major feels for a character therefore it is okay. I have a Lavellan that I roleplay as INSANE and she wants to help Solas because she is insane but the rest of my Inquisitors either want him dead or want to help him find a better solution. There is no rationalization for genocide no matter how much you love a character. I love Abelas but if he jumps on the genocide train, only my insane Lavellan will be jumping on with him. I'm not going to rationalize it in my brain as okay because my bae has had a hard life or that I think Elvhen history is so damn cool. I think about other characters I love in the DA universe and I wouldn't want them to die. Besides, I don't think dropping the veil will physically kill people. It's the chaos that will kill them. Look how Teagan reacts to the Inquisition after all they did to help. Now imagine the insanity that would ensue if the world were to change so drastically. I think the veil allowed humans to enter Thedas and that was what finished the Elvhen empire off. But those glory days are gone and Solas needs to accept it. He needs help or death. I have to admit I was sad to see this side to him.
And remember, people:
No matter how many millions of people have been killed, enslaved, or otherwise suffered as a direct result of your actions and intentions... being interesting (and attractive) makes it all go away.
True.
It worked for Cullen too. Nobody seems to give a damn that he was involved in carrying out the rite of annulment during DA2. Where the majority of the Kirkwall Circle of Magi were killed based on the actions of one mage called Anders.
True.
It worked for Cullen too. Nobody seems to give a damn that he was involved in carrying out the rite of annulment during DA2. Where the majority of the Kirkwall Circle of Magi were killed based on the actions of one mage called Anders.
Cullen probably gets a pass because he can work to save mages who otherwise would have been killed during the Annulment. He's clearly not down with what's going on. The real difference between Cullen or Blackwall and Solas is that while all three feel remorse for what they've done, Cullen and Blackwall wouldn't do it again. Solas' whole goal is to do it again.
The real difference between Cullen or Blackwall and Solas is that while all three feel remorse for what they've done, Cullen and Blackwall wouldn't do it again. Solas' whole goal is to do it again.
I never played DA2, but this is exactly what makes the difference between Solas and, say, Blackwall. You can make all the sad puppy eyes in the world and it still doesn't mean a whit if you refuse to stop what you were doing and try to make amends. That is what I'm missing here, what I need before I can believe in a possibility of redemption for this character. (There is also the sheer scale of Solas' deeds, which is not only off the charts but also out of orbit and on the way to the next solar system.)
I never played DA2, but this is exactly what makes the difference between Solas and, say, Blackwall. You can make all the sad puppy eyes in the world and it still doesn't mean a whit if you refuse to stop what you were doing and try to make amends. That is what I'm missing here, what I need before I can believe in a possibility of redemption for this character. (There is also the sheer scale of Solas' deeds, which is not only off the charts but also out of orbit and on the way to the next solar system.)
Well, redemption seems are more viable path then death. People can gloat all they want here, but the truth is that Solas is far stronger and more resourceful then all the enemies we faced combined. And even if we managed to kill him, what stops him from pulling a Mythal and finding a host to yet again try his plan of apocalypse? While convincing him to stop would be the end. He would give up his plan and Thedas would be saved forever. What does personal feelings matter when we can get a solution that is far more final?
"He's too powerful" is no excuse, or there would be no point in making a game about it. 
While I'm a sucker for redemption, I'd absolutely hate to be bullied into it as the "obvious" One True Way. Not all choices are created equal (see: Iron Bull), but IMO the Inquisitor's intended role in Solas' redemption can only work if the offer to help is sincere, and you simply can't force that on the players -- especially when Solas' attitudes and intended crimes are so completely beyond the pale. Personal feelings absolutely do matter, or you won't have a satisfying story. The writers can only try to encourage the desire to "save him from himself", and that has to be done with care so it does not become heavy-handed bullying or flat-out railroading.
There's also the problem that a story in which an intended victim has to put personal feelings aside to placate and save the mass-murdering bigot who doesn't even see them as a person, or else their world will go to hell, would send a really horrendous message. That would be damn close to being straight out of an abuser's handbook.
Again: I would in fact like to redeem this guy because the writers did succeed in making the Solas we thought we knew an interesting, well-written if supremely flawed character, and even now some of that impression endures. I wouldn't "gloat" over his death, I don't hate him. I'm just really shocked and sad, and can't see any credible reason to view redemption as viable. They need to give me more to work with, and avoid any impression of force.
stop spying on me baldy!!!
I have spies everywhere you will never be safe /o/
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