You might as well kill him if you don't trust him to not make more terrible, world-ending decisions.
Tranquillity is just cruel.
You could make a case for him deserving that punishment based on his deeds - that it would be just. But if your priority is damage prevention, it's an unnecessary step.
Nah, repeatedly making him Tranquil, curing him, and making him Tranquil again ad infinitum would be cruel.
Hmmm......
You might as well kill him if you don't trust him to not make more terrible, world-ending decisions.
Tranquillity is just cruel.
You could make a case for him deserving that punishment based on his deeds - that it would be just. But if your priority is damage prevention, it's an unnecessary step.
Perhaps not. We've seen with Cole that spirits can cross the veil and take on a physical form. We also saw a spirit of faith take on Justinia's form. Cole attracted a spirit of compassion, but imagine what someone with Solas' power and drive could attract. He did mention he was friends with spirits of wisdom and purpose (that one is especially worrying in this case).
So making him tranquil could be seen as a case of 'better safe than sorry'.
The templars? The ones who were corrupt should be punished. And the mages they killed in the rebellion were a threat, they chose to rebel and were dangerous, I feel no pity for them. And one more time, mages prove me that they shouldnt be free, Solas is just one more drop in a barrel full of water.
You seem to think I like the Chantry, never cared about it until I put someone worth on the Sunburst Throne. And what crimes are you saying? The Exalted March on the Dales was justified, the elves attacked first, and the humans Qunari in Rivaini were brainwashed, putting them down was a favor.
Solas is already a monster, the Breach is his fault too. And why dont you answer my question? What about e people who were killed by his plan and the people who will die because of it? Its ok that they died? He is insane, he thought Corypheus blowing up thousands of people was ok, you are blind.
Liar. The people in Rivaini were not loyal to the qunari. They simply adopted their lifestyle for themselves, they still had families and personal lifes. They were not loyal to anyone, nor the chantry or the qun. You are the last person here to dictate who is brainwashed.
He is no more of an monster then Loghain, Drakon, or Branka, who got a lot of people killed for their own agendas. I never said that what Solas did was okay. But if I can forgive the Chantry for all the atrocities they commited during history, I sure as hell can forgive Solas and give him a second chance.
And you're a blind if you think you can beat Solas, chances are, that even by some miracle you kill him, he will pull a Mythal and you will have acomplished nothing but delay the inevitable for some years.
They were Qunari, they converted, they were beyond saving.Liar. The people in Rivaini were not loyal to the qunari. They simply adopted their lifestyle for themselves, they still had families and personal lifes. They were not loyal to anyone, nor the chantry or the qun. You are the last person here to dictate who is brainwashed.
He is no more of an monster then Loghain, Drakon, or Branka, who got a lot of people killed for their own agendas. I never said that what Solas did was okay. But if I can forgive the Chantry for all the atrocities they commited during history, I sure as hell can forgive Solas and give him a second chance.
And you're a blind if you think you can beat Solas, chances are, that even by some miracle you kill him, he will pull a Mythal and you will have acomplished nothing but delay the inevitable for some years.
They were Qunari, they converted, they were beyond saving.
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Nome of their crimes compare to the Breach, you can say all you want, it doesnt change he is one of the worst monster to appear in this serie. But you never forgave the Chantry "crimes", you hate them but you think Solas is OK, you are not the one to talk about hypocrisy.
I am not, they already said Solas' plot will be concludente in the next game, I know I will kill him and he will stay dead.
They lived by the qunari lifestyle. But they were not members of the qun. The reason they got killed is because the chantry zealots couldn't accept that those people wouldn't submit to the chantry again.
Oh no? How many people do you think died during Drakon war of expansion? Or the Ferelden Civil war? You only call Solas a monster because he challenges the precious control you cling to and because he has an power you can't beat conventionally. Being the underdog sucks, huh? I did choose to forgive the chantry. Because I finally reshaped them in a genuine force for good. They changed for the better and I choose to leave my hate for them behind. But unlike me, you will never understand Solas, or his potential for redemption. There could be an genuine path for good to him in the future and you would deny it out of spite, because forgiviness is beyond for the likes of you.
Good luck with that. Corypheus thought the same about the Inquisitor and look were he ended. I look foward to see how you react after your protagonist is reduced to a pile of stone.
Pretty much. Although making him tranquil has a certain appeal. Make him live forever permanently cut off form everything he loves.
I'm kindof mystified that solas gets more sympathy than anders. Ander kills a few dozen people to provoke a war that will get some justice for mages. He's willing to be executed for it. He also gets exactly what he wants.
Solas is willing to destroy the world AGAIN on the off chance it will bring back the world he wanted, which according to him already kindof sucked.
Dure you are desperate, they converted to the Qun. You really want to make excuses, dont you?They lived by the qunari lifestyle. But they were not members of the qun. The reason they got killed is because the chantry zealots couldn't accept that those people wouldn't submit to the chantry again.
Oh no? How many people do you think died during Drakon war of expansion? Or the Ferelden Civil war? You only call Solas a monster because he challenges the precious control you cling to and because he has an power you can't beat conventionally. Being the underdog sucks, huh? I did choose to forgive the chantry. Because I finally reshaped them in a genuine force for good. They changed for the better and I choose to leave my hate for them behind. But unlike me, you will never understand Solas, or his potential for redemption. There could be an genuine path for good to him in the future and you would deny it out of spite, because forgiviness is beyond for the likes of you.
Good luck with that. Corypheus thought the same about the Inquisitor and look were he ended. I look foward to see how you react after your protagonist is reduced to a pile of stone.
The people in Rivain were members of the Qun, although it was only in the North. Those in the North were (and still are) part of the Qun. They refused to convert back and (given that the Qun is the enemy), they were killed. To create an analogy today, this would be like people converted to ISIS's brand of Islam, and refused to convert back once ISIS was stopped. They are not interested in co-existing.
Also, the parts you were describing are not the parts of Rivain that were under the Qun. The qunari would never have accepted the practice of the seers.
If you wish to compare what Solas is doing to the wars of expansion, Solas is far more barbaric: Solas quite literally admits his plan will kill all humans, dwarves, and qunari(the race). His world view allows only for elves.
Solas is only willing to entertain the concept that he might be wrong. That's something, but it's not much, and honestly, not something worth putting the safety and lives of millions of innocent non-elves.
Dure you are desperate, they converted to the Qun. You really want to make excuses, dont you?
Please show me how many died by them, there is no way they will match the many who died because of Solas.
You didnt forgave them, you wanted to change it because "you know better", just like you know Solas better and everyone who disagree with you is wrong. And you call me a hypocrite...
I already understand him, he is a lunatic and I was right about his plan, he should be punished by the monstrosities he has done and death is the only punishment he deserve. Good luck trying to explain for those who lost everything because of him that he is a good guy.
He had the same end as Solas will have, you are delusional if you think Soals is invencible And he will not die.
I make no excuses. You're the one that does not understand. There were no qunari in Rivain when the purge happened (as of the giant horned man), only people who choose to live by their lifestyle after they were gone. It's well known that Rivain people adapt customs of other cultures for themselves, they did not lived that same way the qunari did, they had families, personal lifes and the seers. The qunari would never accept that. They got murdered because they didn't bowed to the chantry.
Let's see, I use logic, fair reasoning and judging of character to make my decisions, while the chantry uses superstition, fear and the word of an god they can't tangibly prove for theirs. Yeah, I could never know better then them, silly me. All I know, is there are no more templars to inforce their will with violence, they focus their efforts on charity and the mages so far are living peacefully on their college. As far as I saw, my new way is better then the old way. Forgiviness can only come once you're willing to change for the better.
No, he is a broken man that has the potential to be swayed to an better path. You can see no further then your psychotic rage. You just think that mindless killing will solve all your problems. Your arrogance on the power you think you have know no bounds, and will likely be your downfall too.
Even if Solas die, he will come back as an spirit inside a host. All you can do is delay the inevitable. Solas is not called an trickster for no reason.
They were Qunari. I will say no more on this.I make no excuses. You're the one that does not understand. There were no qunari in Rivain when the purge happened (as of the giant horned man), only people who choose to live by their lifestyle after they were gone. It's well known that Rivain people adapt customs of other cultures for themselves, they did not lived that same way the qunari did, they had families, personal lifes and the seers. The qunari would never accept that. They got murdered because they didn't bowed to the chantry.
Let's see, I use logic, fair reasoning and judging of character to make my decisions, while the chantry uses superstition, fear and the word of an god they can't tangibly prove for theirs. Yeah, I could never know better then them, silly me. All I know, is there are no more templars to inforce their will with violence, they focus their efforts on charity and the mages so far are living peacefully on their college. As far as I saw, my new way is better then the old way. Forgiviness can only come once you're willing to change for the better.
No, he is a broken man that has the potential to be swayed to an better path. You can see no further then your psychotic rage. You just think that mindless killing will solve all your problems. Your arrogance on the power you think you have know no bounds, and will likely be your downfall too.
Even if Solas die, he will come back as an spirit inside a host. All you can do is delay the inevitable. Solas is not called an trickster for no reason.
For all that is said about them being a beautiful, philosophical people, with an overworldly presence and a glorious past, the elves are as short-minded and fanatical as the Qunari. Humans are to blame for all our misery, the Ancestors' legacy is the only truth about our people, etc.
I prefer dwarves a lot more. Dwarves have a cohesive culture, a well-structured society, a sense of belonging - the elves act like they don't care about worldly matters, or are incapable of doing so -, a good grasp of reality and are hard workers. They show unity. Structure. Dilligence. They revere not gods, but Paragons, dwarves who made efforts to improve the lives of all.
What do elves worship? Dead gods. A hazy past. Lost glory, that they do nothing to restore. It's as if they're waiting for their gods to save them from their letargy. They stagnated. What on earth have the elves done after they lost Arlathan and the Dales? Either complained about their own misery, blaming their lack of action and cowardice on humans or stewed in their own hatred against humans while hiding from the entire world in forests.
Meanwhile, the dwarves go and save themselves every single day, They work for it. They mine lyrium, to keep a steady income coming from the Chantry. They research smithing techniques. They are crafty and resourceful.
You leave a dwarf alone in a hazardous place and he'll build himself a means to survive. He'll grab an axe and face his enemy, fearless. You leave an elf and the creature might end up dead on day one, with those flimsy bows and lousy armour (is that thing they wear even an armour???).
For me, Trespasser demystified the magic around elves. They were a tyrannical and oppressive people, who misused the power magic brought. They were not enlightened, nor magnanimous. And in the end, their shotsightedness made them destroy themselves. The humans didn't even have any participation in their downfall.
They are far from being the advanced and enlightened people from Lord of the Rings, lore on which no doubt they were inspired. The elves in DA are just pitiful. And now they'll come to realise the fault is entirely theirs.
I don't know how much of this Solas actually thought through. Maybe he was groggy after waking up from uthenera. Seriously, dude, no more megalomanic plans to destroy the world before coffee, okay?
He doesn't like tea because it makes it harder to connect with the Fade, so I wager he would hate coffee too. New secret weapon against Solas: spike everything with tea and coffee.
Between you, me, and the forum, I don't think they thought that part through.
Players can latch on to really obscure oversights at times, but this one does stick out like a sore thumb.
He doesn't like tea because it makes it harder to connect with the Fade, so I wager he would hate coffee too. New secret weapon against Solas: spike everything with tea and coffee.
Now, that sounds like a plan! 
Good point, actually. Hm. I'm not sure how Solas' original plan was supposed to work. If Corypheus had been the last person to touch the orb before it went boom, wouldn't he have had the Anchor -- meaning it would have been lost with his death? So Solas would have an active orb but not the Anchor, no safe passage through the Fade.
And I still want to know how Corypheus got the orb back.
I believe that during the memory scene where the events that took place at the Temple of Sacred Ashes is shown, the orb appears to be active meaning it seems likely that it had been unlocked by Corypheus beforehand. The explosion that followed his actual attempt to create the mark might have been triggered by the ritual being interrupted though these are just my guesses.
I wonder if Corypheus can resurrect himself through a deceased tainted individual since I cannot remember if the scene at the temple of Mythal left that ambigous.
I wonder if Corypheus can resurrect himself through a deceased tainted individual since I cannot remember if the scene at the temple of Mythal left that ambigous.
His dragon was around who must have carried him to a warden.
You do see him float about after killing the dragon in the final battle.
For all that is said about them being a beautiful, philosophical people, with an overworldly presence and a glorious past, the elves are as short-minded and fanatical as the Qunari. Humans are to blame for all our misery, the Ancestors' legacy is the only truth about our people, etc.
I prefer dwarves a lot more. Dwarves have a cohesive culture, a well-structured society, a sense of belonging - the elves act like they don't care about worldly matters, or are incapable of doing so -, a good grasp of reality and are hard workers. They show unity. Structure. Dilligence. They revere not gods, but Paragons, dwarves who made efforts to improve the lives of all.
What do elves worship? Dead gods. A hazy past. Lost glory, that they do nothing to restore. It's as if they're waiting for their gods to save them from their letargy. They stagnated. What on earth have the elves done after they lost Arlathan and the Dales? Either complained about their own misery, blaming their lack of action and cowardice on humans or stewed in their own hatred against humans while hiding from the entire world in forests.
Meanwhile, the dwarves go and save themselves every single day, They work for it. They mine lyrium, to keep a steady income coming from the Chantry. They research smithing techniques. They are crafty and resourceful.
You leave a dwarf alone in a hazardous place and he'll build himself a means to survive. He'll grab an axe and face his enemy, fearless. You leave an elf and the creature might end up dead on day one, with those flimsy bows and lousy armour (is that thing they wear even an armour???).
For me, Trespasser demystified the magic around elves. They were a tyrannical and oppressive people, who misused the power magic brought. They were not enlightened, nor magnanimous. And in the end, their shotsightedness made them destroy themselves. The humans didn't even have any participation in their downfall.
They are far from being the advanced and enlightened people from Lord of the Rings, lore on which no doubt they were inspired. The elves in DA are just pitiful. And now they'll come to realise the fault is entirely theirs.
Yes, because the modern city elves are just sooooo annoying. It's totally their own doing when a human noble comes into their Alienage and kidnaps some women. Who cares if those women are murdered or raped? They brought it all on themselves.
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Also...the caste system doesn't count as tyrannical and oppressive? The caste system which allows innocent babies to be born with no rights as a casteless?
Dwarves aren't any better than anyone else.
The dwarves are their own worst enemy with their stupid cast system. And they'd be so much better off without it.
They were Qunari. I will say no more on this.
Lol at your "Better World", I'm not going to follow on this to not turn this thread into a Mage vs Templar thread.
Ofc I'm the one with psychotic rage, I want to kill the man who wants to kill everyone else. I'm the psychotic and he is the good guy lol.
Ok, you are the seer of the future, even when the writers said his plot will be finished in DA4, he is going to come back. Please tell me how DA4 will end, great farseer Jaison.
Thanks, I did not wish to cringe anymore then I already did.
The thing is Solas can still be reasoned with, and you don't. From someone that says "I would treasure the chance to be wrong once again, my friend" to "I'm going to kill him, justice will be served, no one will stop me", I know who would be willing to listen to reason when push came to shove. PS: Not you.
I can see the future no better then you, who for some reason thinks that they will be able to kill Solas no matter what. What? Did the devs told you it would happen that way? Please, do share their plans for the future dragon age games.
Because you were wrong.Thanks, I did not wish to cringe anymore then I already did.
The thing is Solas can still be reasoned with, and you don't. From someone that says "I would treasure the chance to be wrong once again, my friend" to "I'm going to kill him, justice will be served, no one will stop me", I know who would be willing to listen to reason when push came to shove. PS: Not you.
I can see the future no better then you, who for some reason thinks that they will be able to kill Solas no matter what. What? Did the devs told you it would happen that way? Please, do share their plans for the future dragon age games.
Because you were wrong.
Yes, I will not listem to reason, but the guy who plans to kill everyone will. Ok.
Then stop saying ridiculous things. The devs said his story will be finished in DA4, only you think he will escape and try again.
Oh Boost, the day you are right about anything at all will be the day when it snows in hell.
Yep, pretty much. Solas for all his faults is more resonable then you.
You have no proof of otherwise apart of your own assumptions. Untill proven otherwise, I'm no more wrong then you are.
You keep trying to not see the truth.Oh Boost, the day you are right about anything at all will be the day when it snows in hell.
Yep, pretty much. Solas for all his faults is more resonable then you.
You have no proof of otherwise apart of your own assumptions. Untill proven otherwise, I'm no more wrong then you are.
You keep trying to not see the truth.
I will take non-reasonable over mass murder, thank you.
You are wrong, they said his story will be conclude in DA4. "He will escape as spirit and try again" is simply wrong.
Nope. The "truth" you're trying to propagate is false.
He is only a mass murder if he succeeds, before that, Solas is still better then you.
If your imaginary crystal ball says so.
So the game is lying when it said they were Qunari? I dont think so.Nope. The "truth" you're trying to propagate is false.
He is only a mass murder if he succeeds, before that, Solas is still better then you.
If your imaginary crystal ball says so.
He wants to kill everyone who isnt an Ancient Elf, how is it not necessary?
Actually no, if you talk to him (at least in a PT where the Inquister was friends whit him idk if they weren't friends) he specifically says he doesn't want to kill everyone, he just doesn't think it's possible to undo his mistake without that happening. The difference between that and "he wants to kill everyone" is huge.
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