Actually no, if you talk to him (at least in a PT where the Inquister was friends whit him idk if they weren't friends) he specifically says he doesn't want to kill everyone, he just doesn't think it's possible to undo his mistake without that happening. The difference between that and "he wants to kill everyone" is huge.
Actually no, if you talk to him (at least in a PT where the Inquister was friends whit him idk if they weren't friends) he specifically says he doesn't want to kill everyone, he just doesn't think it's possible to undo his mistake without that happening. The difference between that and "he wants to kill everyone" is huge.
If he really didn't want to kill anyone, he would simply not go through with his plans, full stop.
He doesnt want but will do anyway, to me there is no difference. If he truly didnt want he could just stop.
The point though is if he is shown there is a better way he will stop. If he just didn't care and was all willy nilly about it there would be no hope in stopping him other than killing him. We aren't actually at that point yet.
If he really didn't want to kill anyone, he would simply not go through with his plans, full stop.
No, there is such a thing as doing what you believe is necessary and even needed even though you don't like all of the consequences. If people operated on a "only do things which harm no one" we'd literally do nothing ever, because everything has a negative consequence.
The point though is if he is shown there is a better way he will stop. If he just didn't care and was all willy nilly about it there would be no hope in stopping him other than killing him. We aren't actually at that point yet.
Well, you have fun trying to redeem him. I in the mean time, will focus on protecting the world he is hellbent on destroying.
The point though is if he is shown there is a better way he will stop. If he just didn't care and was all willy nilly about it there would be no hope in stopping him other than killing him. We aren't actually at that point yet.
"If somebody knows another way I won't commit omnicide! Am I not generous?!"
Hehe... yeah... no.
That he set such a plan in motion in the first place marks him for death for the good of everybody else.
So the game is lying when it said they were Qunari? I dont think so.
The Breach is his responsability and like I care if you think a murder is better than me.
Yeah, its me who keep saying "your PC will die" or "he will be back as spirit and destroy the world".
No, you're the one lying. There is a difference in living by the lifestyle of the qunari and being loyal to the oxman in Par Vollen.
And Like I care about what you think. Your opinion is worth less then dirt to me. There only reason I respond at all is because you just won't shut the **** up about Solas.
Whatever, I'll wait for the next game, then we will see who is right. no point in bickering with you anymore.
He doesnt want but will do anyway, to me there is no difference. If he truly didnt want he could just stop.
Yes. To the countless victims, it won't make a shred of a difference, they'll suffer and die either way. It's easy to declare someone else's death a necessity while holding himself above and apart. "Give me a valid reason not to hurt and kill you" is ... not the mindset of a character inviting sympathy or the desire to redeem him.
And I wish I could feel that, honestly, because I do enjoy a good redemption story and I did like the character I thought he was (flaws aside). I ended Inquisition with Solas at max approval, had him as my go-to mage and member of my A-Team for story missions along with Cass and Cole, thought he was a sometimes rocky but nonetheless true and interesting friend who was moving past his bouts of arrogance and hypocrisy.
... yeah. Not.
Bioware did an amazing job with him for certain, but they almost did it too well. Aside from the "meta-reasons" of having been manipulated to like him via him having been a companion, and of knowing we're supposed to view him as tragic and redeemable, I just can't imagine a reason to not think of him as the monster he claims he isn't.
No, you're the one lying. There is a difference in living by the lifestyle of the qunari and being loyal to the oxman in Par Vollen.
And Like I care about what you think. Your opinion is worth less then dirt to me. There only reason I respond at all is because you just won't shut the **** up about Solas.
Whatever, I'll wait for the next game, then we will see who is right. no point in bickering with you anymore.
Good Lord, the hostility in this post.
Good Lord, the hostility in this post.
Business as usual. It's about time those two get a room. Either to fight it out irl or for some steamy hate sex... 
Keep trying, maybe you will convince someone.No, you're the one lying. There is a difference in living by the lifestyle of the qunari and being loyal to the oxman in Par Vollen.
And Like I care about what you think. Your opinion is worth less then dirt to me. There only reason I respond at all is because you just won't shut the **** up about Solas.
Whatever, I'll wait for the next game, then we will see who is right. no point in bickering with you anymore.
Lets agree into disagree.The point though is if he is shown there is a better way he will stop. If he just didn't care and was all willy nilly about it there would be no hope in stopping him other than killing him. We aren't actually at that point yet.
I think redemption is the way to go. Solas was and will be a powerful leader. Turning him from his current path will set him up as the ultimate leader of the elves who lifts them out of their current state of subjugation. I think he's the only one who can achieve that thus, he's savable.
Oh, and Cole still loves him so we have hope
It could totally be me reading too much into it, but my impression of Spirit Cole's end slide (I haven't seen if human Cole is different) is that Cole will turn up with Solas in the future.
It could totally be me reading too much into it, but my impression of Spirit Cole's end slide (I haven't seen if human Cole is different) is that Cole will turn up with Solas in the future.
Human Cole runs off with Maryden lol. He ain't gonna be chillin with Solas.
Oh, and Cole still loves him so we have hope
What is the old adage? "Love is blind"?
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It depends. I have recently theorized Solas might be bound to Mythal's Will as the Inquisitor is if they drink from the Well. He hints at it when he is angry at you for drinking from it. He says you will do and think things that are for her and not yourself. I think he was once her slave (why he hates slavery and forced servitude), rebelled and removed his markings, but because he is bound, he did everything for her. Either we kill him to save him from his enslavement or find what remains of Mythal and sever the ties.
What is the old adage? "Love is blind"?
Fair enough.
Human Cole runs off with Maryden lol. He ain't gonna be chillin with Solas.
Oh, that's fun
No death. At least not for me!I think redemption is the way to go. Solas was and will be a powerful leader. Turning him from his current path will set him up as the ultimate leader of the elves who lifts them out of their current state of subjugation. I think he's the only one who can achieve that thus, he's savable.
What was the point of having him in the Inquisition if not to make him rethink his position on the modern world and it's people? Much of his dialogue revolves around change of heart or wanting a change of heart. I want to see the elves at least on equal footing with the rest of the races, so I'm really hopefull about his plot.
Giving the Dalish, who already have a major superiority complex, one of their gods, whose first idea after getting homesick was omnicide, as a leader? Sounds great! *sarcasm*
I don't understand why anybody should or would trust Solas after he labeled everbody on Thedas as an "Untermensch" and tries to climb over their corpses back to his old days of elvhen glory.
Giving the Dalish, who already have a major superiority complex, one of their gods, whose first idea after getting homesick was omnicide, as a leader? Sounds great! *sarcasm*
I don't understand why anybody should or would trust Solas after he labeled everbody on Thedas as an "Untermensch" and tries to climb over their corpses back to his old days of elvhen glory.
Godwin's Law in action.
Godwin's Law in action.
Oh, is it? Because that's exactly what he said. Everybody besides him and his elvhen buddys are tranquil to him. Inferior.
Oh, is it? Because that's exactly what he said. Everybody besides him and his elvhen buddys are tranquil to him. Inferior.
That's how he felt when he first woke-up, if you befriended him he doesn't believe that anymore. It doesn't change what he feels like he needs to do, but he doesn't view all the other people as being not people though.
I wonder if people's opinion of Solas will remain the same if we had an origins-like prologue where we get to briefly meet some characters in the conclave and maybe have temp companions.
Let also not forget that Fellasan feared Solas to the point that he'd have herbs and wards to prevent him from dreaming and who was ultimately killed for believing that the modern thedosians are people worthy of life.
But most importantly, even if we manage to convince him the current world is worth saving the fact remains that he can always change his mind decades, centuries or longer because that future generation might not be worth saving in his eyes.
The best course of cation is really to seal him up.
At long last, a character in Inquisition to fight over. In Origins, we had Loghain, in II, we had Anders, and now Solas. I was beginning to think Bioware had lost its touch.
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