I don't want to kill him nor change his mind, I want to completely de-power him but not through tranquility since I don't want any change to his personality.
After that I want to be able to give him a dagger and tell him to go change the world with that while the squad for that particular DA laughs in the background.
After that grab the dagger back and lock him up in a cell and lose the key. No more fade dreaming, no more magic, no more freedom. Suitable punishment for attempted genocide.
After that grab the dagger back and lock him up in a cell and lose the key. No more fade dreaming, no more magic, no more freedom. Suitable punishment for attempted genocide.
How exactly would you prevent him from fade dreaming? o.O
How exactly would you prevent him from fade dreaming? o.O
By forcing caffeinated tea down his throat. In all seriousness I'm hoping for some way to break his connection to the fade and stop him from "shouting magic" without tranquility, we'll probably never get that but a man can hope.
I'm certainly going to try to stop Solas in the future, but it might not necessarily have to end with his death. A lot of people seem to have kneejerk reactions to a character doing something that they don't like/don't approve of without bothering to look beyond the surface, and then they're all "LET'S KILL <INSERT NAME> BECAUSE HE/SHE WRONGED ME OR SAID/DID SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE!!!!!!"
Look, from talking to Solas and actually listening to him, it sounds like destroying Thedas is something that he doesn't particularly want to do but is resolved to do in order to repair the damage that he originally caused. I went into this stuff in a lot more detail in that other thread about Solas allegedly being the same as Corypheus (I said they weren't even remotely the same), but basically, it's my opinion that it might yet be possible to reason with Solas and that he maybe even kind of wants you to prove him wrong yet again.
Though he is certainly intent on undoing what he views as his mistake (no matter what it might cost), who knows what the future might hold. One would hope that there's another way to go about stopping him besides just killing him. As my Inquisitor said, she's going to try to save/redeem her friend IF possible. I don't want to kill him, but if I have to, well, I'll do it.
And as I will point out like I did in the other thread, if Solas were a complete monster a la Corypheus, he wouldn't have saved you (yet again) and allowed you to leave unharmed. Let's face it, leaving you alive is pretty much inviting you to come back to stop him, even if your Inquisitor can't necessarily go adventuring like he/she used to. Though now that I think about it, who's to say that a combination of clever dwarven engineering and magic couldn't result in a functioning prosthetic arm.
Or maybe some of us want to kill him because of his actions thousands have died. He shares the blame for the Breach and the destruction it caused.snip
You know I wouldn't be this mad about Solas if he wasn't trying to sugarcoat what he's doing with nonsense and is busy having a pity party when he's basically telling you he 's going to destroy you and everything you hold dear.
The level of inflated ego and lack of self awareness + Jeez you should thank me about the Qunari...and the small confort I'm bringing before I put you down like a sick dog just ...argh I'm still angry.
Would it have been so hard to say:
"I am a monster Inquisitor , the Evanuris I fought so hard ?I'm now like them.Yes I will destroy your world to rebuild mine because I can't stand to see my world gone and my people being cut from their very nature.I will do it because I have the power to.For what it's worth and I'm sure it's not worth much I'm sorry your world has to die ."
No blaming the future victims for being "tranquil", no I will kill you all but I is a nice misunderstood guy , no pointing out see I helped you just to kill you later anyway , how rude is that!
No changing the subject , oh I'm going to kill you all but you should worry about your Inquisition.
No man right now I should be worry about you wanting to destroy everything, thanks.
Or maybe some of us want to kill him because of his actions thousands have died. He shares the blame for the Breach and the destruction it caused.
He doesn't deserve to be redeemed, he deserves to face justice for his actions.
Do you think no one will die in the next game because of his actions? Do you think you can change his mind before people die because of him? I don't think so.
And tell me, even if he kill more people you will still try to redeem him?
He is a monster like Corypheus. He saved us and want to kill US later, do you know what it remember me? Corypheus freed Calpernia, taught her magic and when he had no other options, he wanted to use her to get the Well of Sorrows information and use a magic to bind her to his will, he even felt guilt (his confession on the Temple of Dumat). Doesn't Corypheus still a monster? The same goes to Solas.
The thing is, though, Solas is basically the catalyst for everything: If he hadn't raised the Veil, the Inquisitor wouldn't exist. If he hadn't raised the Veil, current Thedas wouldn't exist. If he hadn't raised the Veil, no Quizzy would even be able to TRY to redeem or kill him. You can hate him for what he has done - that is good, it means that he is a very deep character with a lot of personality to draw such emotions from you - but he did as many good things as he did, inevitably, bad ones. Solas is such a multi-layered character that you cannot paint him in white or black. He's utterly grey through and through and admits that "every alternative was worse". For him, every alternative might be worse once again. That does not make his actions right by any means, but he takes the role of the one who must act. If he does not do something, no one will. He puts himself into a position where he cannot fully win, regardless of outcome. That is tragic. Solas can realise/realises that the people of Thedas are actually real, he cares about individuals, about freedom. He is not a monster in the typical sense, though his actions might be monstrous, I don't deny that - and my canon Quizzy freaking romanced the guy. Still, Solas isn't all black or all white, you can see that throughout the entire game.
If they cannot be killed, why he would fear Andruil or Anaris? or how Mythal was killed, now he drained her, she is gone isn't she? Perhaps there is not an Evanuir on each corner, but we still have six Magisters, a Titan, the Queen of Dragons, 2-3 Old Gods and the Formless One, one of them should be able to challenge Solas.
I say we take the Titan, the queen of Dragons and the Magisters as our team.
I agree that he is a multi-layered character and I really think he feel sorry for what he thinks he have to do. Yet it doesnt matter, he still a monster for helping Corypheus to create the Breach, and while its not what he wanted, it still his fault for giving Corypheus a weapon of mass destruction with the intention to create a big explosion and kill everyone on its radius.The thing is, though, Solas is basically the catalyst for everything: If he hadn't raised the Veil, the Inquisitor wouldn't exist. If he hadn't raised the Veil, current Thedas wouldn't exist. If he hadn't raised the Veil, no Quizzy would even be able to TRY to redeem or kill him. You can hate him for what he has done - that is good, it means that he is a very deep character with a lot of personality to draw such emotions from you - but he did as many good things as he did, inevitably, bad ones. Solas is such a multi-layered character that you cannot paint him in white or black. He's utterly grey through and through and admits that "every alternative was worse". For him, every alternative might be worse once again. That does not make his actions right by any means, but he takes the role of the one who must act. If he does not do something, no one will. He puts himself into a position where he cannot fully win, regardless of outcome. That is tragic. Solas can realise/realises that the people of Thedas are actually real, he cares about individuals, about freedom. He is not a monster in the typical sense, though his actions might be monstrous, I don't deny that - and my canon Quizzy freaking romanced the guy. Still, Solas isn't all black or all white, you can see that throughout the entire game.
Yes, that was a relief. Hopefully next time we confront him he will not be giving us three options on how to save the world
BIG TIME! No I don't what to pick my favorite color.
RED= destroy all ancient elves
BLUE = You are the veil
GREEN = Everyone turns into a demon and likes it.
TL;TR
I'll show myself out 
The thing is, though, Solas is basically the catalyst for everything: If he hadn't raised the Veil, the Inquisitor wouldn't exist. If he hadn't raised the Veil, current Thedas wouldn't exist. If he hadn't raised the Veil, no Quizzy would even be able to TRY to redeem or kill him. You can hate him for what he has done - that is good, it means that he is a very deep character with a lot of personality to draw such emotions from you - but he did as many good things as he did, inevitably, bad ones. Solas is such a multi-layered character that you cannot paint him in white or black. He's utterly grey through and through and admits that "every alternative was worse". For him, every alternative might be worse once again. That does not make his actions right by any means, but he takes the role of the one who must act. If he does not do something, no one will. He puts himself into a position where he cannot fully win, regardless of outcome. That is tragic. Solas can realise/realises that the people of Thedas are actually real, he cares about individuals, about freedom. He is not a monster in the typical sense, though his actions might be monstrous, I don't deny that - and my canon Quizzy freaking romanced the guy. Still, Solas isn't all black or all white, you can see that throughout the entire game.
Well people in history tried to do goods things as well, but were also in the end Monsters to the people they harmed. No one is black or white. Mao Zedong was considered a hero to many Chinese people. Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million Chinese people in just four years.
Mao Zedong quotes:
So he was responsible for killing Chinese people, and Chinese people still see him as a great leader.
The best villain shouldn't be black or white.
There is something a little off putting about the way Flemeth says "I'm sorry as well, old friend". I often wondered if she was apologizing for something she's planning that he doesn't know about. But I might just be reading into that exchange.
That might be a sign that she is going to help the next hero. She has a habit of doing this at least in the past she did.
That might be a sign that she is going to help the next hero. She has a habit of doing this at least in the past she did.
That would be odd, considering Mythal only wants revenge against the false gods. Helping the new hero might as well screw her plan. Besides, she has even less reason to want to save the world then Solas. She never got an reason to care about anyone. Why would she bother?
You know I wouldn't be this mad about Solas if he wasn't trying to sugarcoat what he's doing with nonsense and is busy having a pity party when he's basically telling you he 's going to destroy you and everything you hold dear.
The level of inflated ego and lack of self awareness + Jeez you should thank me about the Qunari...and the small confort I'm bringing before I put you down like a sick dog just ...argh I'm still angry.
Would it have been so hard to say:
"I am a monster Inquisitor , the Evanuris I fought so hard ?I'm now like them.Yes I will destroy your world to rebuild mine because I can't stand to see my world gone and my people being cut from their very nature.I will do it because I have the power to.For what it's worth and I'm sure it's not worth much I'm sorry your world has to die ."
No blaming the future victims for being "tranquil", no I will kill you all but I is a nice misunderstood guy , no pointing out see I helped you just to kill you later anyway , how rude is that!
No changing the subject , oh I'm going to kill you all but you should worry about your Inquisition.
No man right now I should be worry about you wanting to destroy everything, thanks.
That was also what made me angry when I met him. On the other hand, it's a good sign that he's lying to himself because that means his convictions aren't as strong as he thinks. If he can say what you wanted him to say, then he's truly gone.
I say we take the Titan, the queen of Dragons and the Magisters as our team.
That was also what made me angry when I met him. On the other hand, it's a good sign that he's lying to himself because that means his convictions aren't as strong as he thinks. If he can say what you wanted him to say, then he's truly gone.
Lying to himself is not guarantee that he will change, ask to Comstock or Gravemind for example, they both showed themselves somehow mournful of their doing at some point, yet they did not stop, like them, I think the only choice we have is killing Solas for good, and luckily he will stay dead, unlike the cursed Gravemind.
Never said that it would guarantee it. I actually think killing Solas is pretty damn hard considering how powerful AND intelligent he is. I think redemption is a more doable path.
That would be odd, considering Mythal only wants revenge against the false gods. Helping the new hero might as well screw her plan. Besides, she has even less reason to want to save the world then Solas. She never got an reason to care about anyone. Why would she bother?
I don't agree. She is justice/revenge. The fake gods are mages that joined a spirit and now the spirit has duality. If Morrigan picks up Mythal, then she is strong enough to influence the spirit.
Mythal has no reason to hate us. He issue is with the fake gods. Solas is going to release them. I don't think she plans to help him.
I don't agree. She is justice/revenge. The fake gods are mages that joined a spirit and now the spirit has duality. If Morrigan picks up Mythal, then she is strong enough to influence the spirit.
Mythal has no reason to hate us. He issue is with the fake gods. Solas is going to release them. I don't think she plans to help him.
I don't understand what you're trying to say in the first part.
Mythal has no reason to care neither. Besides, Solas said "I had plans". Clearly, BW won't let the cat out of the bag just yet. Who knows what he plans to do with them once he removes the veil. Not to mention he despises them for killing Mythal. To me, their goals seem to be the same.
Except that Solas wants to kill everyone who is not an Ancient Elf (He does say the same line of "even if that means your people's death" if you play an elf) Flemeth had daughters after she was merged by Mythal, and those daughters are humans, she may care at least for one of them, while Solas showed complete despise towards Morrigan, I don't think he would be gentle with her or her sisters now that he's trying to kill everyone.I don't understand what you're trying to say in the first part.
Mythal has no reason to care neither. Besides, Solas said "I had plans". Clearly, BW won't let the cat out of the bag just yet. Who knows what he plans to do with them once he removes the veil. Not to mention he despises them for killing Mythal. To me, their goals seem to be the same.
I don't understand what you're trying to say in the first part.
Mythal has no reason to care neither. Besides, Solas said "I had plans". Clearly, BW won't let the cat out of the bag just yet. Who knows what he plans to do with them once he removes the veil. Not to mention he despises them for killing Mythal. To me, their goals seem to be the same.
The first part means spirits have two sides. There are no demons they are spirits. She is Justice and she is revenge. She may decide to support the next hero because they ask her for justice. The fake gods are already in prison. She may not have faith in Solas. I don't have faith in Solas. Solas was a mage who joined a spirit. He stated he was Solas first. That spirit could be the spirit of rebellion. The flip side of rebellion is chaos.
I really don't see Mythal as insane at least not yet.
Bioware can do whatever. It would be a shame to make her totally lose her sense of justice, and embrace chaos. It would be illogical.
The first part means spirits have two sides. There are no demons they are spirits. She is Justice and she is revenge. She may decide to support the next hero because they ask her for justice. The fake gods are already in prison. She may not have faith in Solas. I don't have faith in Solas. Solas was a mage who joined a spirit. He stated he was Solas first. That spirit could be the spirit of rebellion. The flip side of rebellion is chaos.
I really don't see Mythal as insane at least not yet.
Bioware can do whatever. It would be a shame to make her totally lose her sense of justice, and embrace chaos. It would be illogical.
He said he was Solas first because he recieved a new name later "dread wolf". That had nothing to do with an spirit. At most he was an spirit at first, as Trespasser kind of implies all elves were spirits at first, and took a different shape later, very much like human Cole.
Mythal cares nothing for justice other then her own, I don't get what makes you think otherwise. She only helps heroes if it's convenient for her, like saving the HoF because she wanted Urthemiel soul, or saving Hawke because she wanted them as failsafe in case Morrigan turned against her. And then the Inquisitor, because Corypheus got in the way of her plans.
Sounds more like you want Mythal to have your sense of justice. Just because she supports Solas goals, doesn't necessaraly mean she is contradicting herself.
He said he was Solas first because he recieved a new name later "dread wolf". That had nothing to do with an spirit. At most he was an spirit at first, as Trespasser kind of implies all elves were spirits at first, and took a different shape later, very much like human Cole.
Mythal cares nothing for justice other then her own, I don't get what makes you think otherwise. She only helps heroes if it's convenient for her, like saving the HoF because she wanted Urthemiel soul, or saving Hawke because she wanted them as failsafe in case Morrigan turned against her. And then the Inquisitor, because Corypheus got in the way of her plans.
Sounds more like you want Mythal to have your sense of justice. Just because she supports Solas goals, doesn't necessaraly mean she is contradicting herself.
Solas looks like rebellion/chaos. If Mythal joins Morrigan, then I see no reason for her to support Solas. Mythal is not just revenge.
"Mythal (mith-al) the Protector and the All-Mother, and goddess of love, is the patron of motherhood and justice and leads the pantheon with her male counterpart, Elgar'nan. Mythal was born of the sea. In most stories, Mythal rights wrongs while exercising motherly kindness. Other paint her as dark, vengeful. Pray to Mythal and she would smite your enemies, leaving them in agony."
Solas stated she was mother to them all and the best of them. Seems to me you are focusing only on the dark side. If she is mother to them all, she is now mother to a human child as well. She has lived with a human for ages. Flemeth had issues like Anders did. Morrigan doesn't have these issues. She is pretty practical. I can't see Morrigan wanting to destroy the world.
Solas, Mythal, Morrigan all infact need to die, the past is the chains holding the present back. I want this damn franchise to go forward not stuck in its own past.
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