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[Boost32]

I just had to correct those spelling errors.
 
Ancient Elves as a collective did not start a war to kill everyone else. There is no evidence of this anywhere. All we know is the Evanuris wage war against each other and that they waged war against the Titans. Not all ancient Elves.
 
The premise...
 
Ancient Elves started a war on the basis of killing everyone else and if they are all wiped out they should have only themselves to blame = Orlesians started a war to conquer Ferelden and so if all the Orlesians were wiped out they should have only themselves to blame = Kirkwall Chantry members started a conflict with the Qunari so if all the members of the Kirkwall Chantry were wiped out they have only themselves to blame.

Thanks grammar nazi.
And nice to see you cant refute my point about Solas.

[Aramintai]

What also don't get whom exactly Solas wants to save?

Spoiler

He created the Veil to trap the Evanuri, ok. Did he trap the rest of the ancient elves along with them? Doesn't seem so because Evanuri's slaves who were saved by him were the ancestors of Dalish and city elves, and they seem to be doing ok in the real world. What's with this selective trapping? Something doesn't add up. Unless of course something was wrong with those slaves, maybe that's why Solas also considers them as non-people, arrogant ass.

[Andromelek]

lol on both,Flemeth was aware that Solas was coming,and she was aware that he would have killed her as well she was prepared no surprise,and no he haven't steal her power,Mythal give it to him her powers.
or do you truly believe that Mythal do not want to help the elves?
In her own way for centuries Mythal was awakening dangerous beasts for her own purposes and was using Flemeth
they act in different way but their goal is similar.

On the first part, I don't know, she was expecting Solas but the only evidence saying she was expecting to be killed was certain dev's note that Gaider told us to disregard.

On the second, I guess you mean saving Urthemiel's ass and the Silent Grove, giving the power of the OG to a human seems to be bad idea, but the soul showed it was aware on some degree so is more like they are allies, on the rest of Dragons, they are not being used as an army and while they are dangerous for humans because they are mostly coward ignorants, they are on the list of victims of the false gods, so, unlike Solas, Mythal cares for those who were wronged by her people as well, pretty sure she wouldn't run on massive genocide and world's life annihilation just to return some glory to a bunch of ancient elves.

[Boost32]

What also don't get whom exactly Solas wants to save?

Spoiler

He created the Veil to trap the Evanuri, ok. Did he trap the rest of the ancient elves along with them? Doesn't seem so because Evanuri's slaves who were saved by him were the ancestors of Dalish and city elves, and they seem to be doing ok in the real world. What's with this selective trapping? Something doesn't add up. Unless of course something was wrong with those slaves, maybe that's why Solas also considers them as non-people, arrogant ass.

Solas want to rebuild the world of the ancient elves. He is not the only one, several ancient elves were with him when he aweakened (like Felassan from TME), they are his people and he want to restore their former glory.

[Sasie]

I think the only way from the outside view to judge Solas plans in the end is to somehow figure out if the Veil helps or harms the world. It's basically an artificial construct that sent the entire world into a post apocalyptic wasteland, what's bad. However it also created new forms of life that has value and don't deserve just getting killed. Imagine if someone managed to build a barrier around the north american continent for example that shut off 99.9% of all connections with the rest of the world and then leave it there for a few thousand years.

I imagine removing it after all that time would have some pretty huge impact on the entire world but is that a good enough reason to leave it intact when the thing might been a mistake in the first place? Personally I don't think there is a good awser to this question.

[Red of Rivia]

Well, Corypheus wanted it too, for Tevinter, Solas will end up in a hole, dead.

[Aramintai]

Solas want to rebuild the world of the ancient elves. He is not the only one, several ancient elves were with him when he aweakened (like Felassan from TME), they are his people and he want to restore their former glory.

Ok, but they are only a few, the rest are long gone and dead, except for Dalish and city elves, whom he doesn't consider as his people. What is there to rebuild?

[SgtSteel91]

I'm thinking that Solas would also help modern elves by returning them to their 'former glory.' That's why he's recruiting them, to save them from the coming apocalypse and rebuild the old world or something. He may not see those who follow him as his people now but they will be once he returns the world back to the way it was.

 

Anyway, I had high friendship with Solas and I liked the final scene where you swear to him you'll prove him wrong and show him this world is worth saving (and he's like "I hope you do my friend"). Especially as my non-Mage Human, they seemed to represent what Solas sees wrong with this world but they somehow became friends and wavered his resolve enough that hope remains you can save him from himself.

[Aramintai]

I'm thinking that Solas would also help modern elves by returning them to their former glory, that's why he's recruiting them. He may not see them as his people now but they will be once he returns the world back to the way it was.

Have you heard him talk in the DLC? Even to elf Inquisitor he's saying the same things as to non-elf -

Spoiler

this world must die for his People to return, and Inquisitor accuses him of not conisidering this world's inhabitants as people at all, including the elves, including elf Inquisitor.

This doesn't sound that modern elves will fare any better if he succeeds, most likely he just gonna use them, as he used the Inquisition.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Something that remained with me after finishing this DLC are Morrigan's words. In the epilogue Morrigan says, "’Tis said that Corypheus woke after his long slumber and found the world gone awry."

 

In the final discussion with Solas he says that when he woke up a year before the explosion at the Conclave it was like everyone was Tranquil. He's determined to bring back existence as he remembers it, no matter the cost.

 

This is very similar to the next line in the initial epilogue narrated by Morrigan, "He fought to bring back those days of magic and shadow, to raise himself as a god, and set things right."

 

However, I think possibly the most apt parallels is one you can draw with yourself: Your Inquisitor's reaction to In Hushed Whispers is perhaps the most telling.

 

When your Inquisitor are sent into the future, you see a world in total chaos and misery. At any point, did you think to yourself, "Maybe I should look into this more, and not try to erase this future?"

 

Erasing this future means destroying anyone who was born. Erasing bad things, of course, but good things, too, even if they seem few. There must be some good things that were present in that world. Perhaps we could have helped the resistance fight the Elder One and take him down instead of erasing the timeline.

 

However, you and Dorian never stop and consider that you should salvage this world or save it. This world is abhorrent to you. A total catastrophe, and failing abomination. Of course you are going to restore the world you knew. Whatever the flaws of your own world, it is surely better than what you see? Dorian even repeats this to character such as Leliana who replied that this world was real to them regardless of what you say.

 

There are parallels with Corypheus, yes, but Corypheus, at least, woke to a world that was not too altered. Corypheus lived in a time with the Veil. On the other hand, you entered into and Solas woke to a world that is torn apart from the one both of you respectively knew.

 

Let us take this further. What if you were sent 20 years in the future? 200? 2000 ? The people kicking around then, all corrupted by Red Lyrium, even the children. The people live as long as 20 or 30. All slaves to Corypheus unless you are magister, a human and a citizen of Tevinter.

 

Yet they insist, no, their world is fine. It is all good. Though, you know that there was a world that you can return that was so much better. These people, despite being miserable, corrupted slaves, they see value in themselves. Do you erase them anyway? Or do you let this world continue as it goes? That is the world Solas woke up to.

 

Solas woke up to a world with little magic...A world where Titans slept, Dwarves are sundered, Great Dragons are mere beasts, Elves are weak shadows of themselves...A world where Spirits are feared, where there is massive conflict every 5 to 10 years, where mages are locked up in a tower...A world where there exists philosophies such as the Qun and a world that still practices slavery, especially of Elves...

 

To Solas, this world must have appeared to be like how our Inquisitors saw the future world in the quest In Hushed Whispers. The Inquisitors proceeds to undo it within an instant whereas Solas at least try to make sense of it.

 

In Solas' position, I think you know what most of us would choose.The more I think about it, the more I understand where Solas' and Corypheus' are coming from. I cannot hate them. I can dislike them out of a sense of self preservation but I would pity them as well.

 

The worst part is that the Inquisitor, in game, does what Solas and Corypheus do, albeit on a smaller scale. We traveled to the future, found a world that is abhorrent to us and sought to unmake it. We did so without hesitation, without doubt, without question and without any second thought to the people in that world. In fact, I think only Ameridan was the only person from the past who was okay with the future world.

 

The reality is that those who are calling for Solas' deaths and those who hate him are hypocrites, doubly so if they did the quest In Hushed Whispers. Upon further reflection, I do not want to kill Solas. I would stop him and only resort to killing him if there is no other choice. For the simple reason the Inquisitor is no different than Solas.

 

Personally, even I would do what Solas, Corypheus and Inquisitor did if I were put in their position. Without remorse, without hesitation and without fail. I would restore the world to what I knew unless if this alternate world is significantly superior in some way.

 

Now let us see all you self righteous hypocritical Inquisitors, especially those who did In Hushed Whispers, justify killing Solas or hating him...

[Aramintai]

Now let us see all you self righteous hypocritical Inquisitors, especially those who did In Hushed Whispers, justify killing Solas or hating him...

The old elves had their time and they've ruined it with their own hands, time for new races to flourish. It's evolution. Solas, Corypheus and the like look like ancient dinosaurs to me who have no place in the modern world. And no matter how hard they gonna try to bring back the good old days we all know it's not gonna happen, someone will always be there to stop them.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The old elves had their time and they've ruined it with their own hands, time for new races to flourish. It's evolution. Solas, Corypheus and the like look like ancient dinosaurs to me who have no place in the modern world. And no matter how hard they gonna try to bring back the good old days we all know it's not gonna happen, someone will always be there to stop them.

 

So is the world in In Hushed Whispers is an evolution as well ? People there most definitely evolved. In the In Hushed Whispers world, we see a post Chantry, post Orlais and post Ferelden world. So is it okay for those to be gone and for new Red Lyrium hybrid race to flourish ? Doesn't wanting to turn back time make our Inquisitor look like an old dinosaur ? Our Inquisitor wants the "old days" as well or as Cassandra calls it "restore order" or as Sera calls it "get things back to normal for coin to flow".

[Boost32]

Ok, but they are only a few, the rest are long gone and dead, except for Dalish and city elves, whom he doesn't consider as his people. What is there to rebuild?

But their numbers doesn't really matter, they will become immortal again, they will eventually recover their numbers.

I'm thinking that Solas would also help modern elves by returning them to their 'former glory.' That's why he's recruiting them, to save them from the coming apocalypse and rebuild the old world or something. He may not see those who follow him as his people now but they will be once he returns the world back to the way it was.

He doesn't see the modern elves as his people, I think those elves were ancient ones like him.
Cole says he killed Felassan because he started seeing the modern elves as people.

[Shienis]

Now let us see all you self righteous hypocritical Inquisitors, especially those who did In Hushed Whispers, justify killing Solas or hating him...

 

Solas was a selfish jerk the entire playthrough. All of playthroughs. Am I supposed to suddenly love him just because he's trying to destroy the world? Lovely.

 

Also 'unmake' and 'destroy' are two different things, with the first one being incredibly difficult to imagine - and write right! - with all the consequences - that's why the time-travel bullsht In Hushed Whispers has plotholes like a sieve. (for example: you remember Fiona talking with you, but she doesn't? Sense? Out of the window.)

[Aramintai]

So is the world in In Hushed Whispers is an evolution as well ? People there most definitely evolved. In the In Hushed Whispers world, we see a post Chantry, post Orlais and post Ferelden world. So is it okay for those to be gone and for new Red Lyrium hybrid race to flourish ? Doesn't wanting to turn back time make our Inquisitor look like an old dinosaur ? Our Inquisitor wants the "old days" as well or as Cassandra calls it "restore order" or as Sera calls it "get things back to normal for coin to flow".

Well, there the situation was different - that world was an alternative reality that was doomed, nothing could be done to save it. But when you returned back into the past that alternative reality just did not happen and will not happen, nobody was worse for the wear except for some bad memories. What Solas wants to do though, is to kill everyone currently living in Thedas when he removes the Veil, he has no plans of coming back to that ancient time before he established the Veil. So all the people that he plans to obliterate will really be killed and stay that way.

[Dean_the_Young]

Something that remained with me after finishing this DLC are Morrigan's words. In the epilogue Morrigan says, "’Tis said that Corypheus woke after his long slumber and found the world gone awry."

 

In the final discussion with Solas he says that when he woke up a year before the explosion at the Conclave it was like everyone was Tranquil. He's determined to bring back existence as he remembers it, no matter the cost.

 

This is very similar to the next line in the initial epilogue narrated by Morrigan, "He fought to bring back those days of magic and shadow, to raise himself as a god, and set things right."

 

However, I think possibly the most apt parallels is one you can draw with yourself: Your Inquisitor's reaction to In Hushed Whispers is perhaps the most telling.

 

When your Inquisitor are sent into the future, you see a world in total chaos and misery. At any point, did you think to yourself, "Maybe I should look into this more, and not try to erase this future?"

 

Erasing this future means destroying anyone who was born. Erasing bad things, of course, but good things, too, even if they seem few. There must be some good things that were present in that world. Perhaps we could have helped the resistance fight the Elder One and take him down instead of erasing the timeline.

 

However, you and Dorian never stop and consider that you should salvage this world or save it. This world is abhorrent to you. A total catastrophe, and failing abomination. Of course you are going to restore the world you knew. Whatever the flaws of your own world, it is surely better than what you see? Dorian even repeats this to character such as Leliana who replied that this world was real to them regardless of what you say.

 

There are parallels with Corypheus, yes, but Corypheus, at least, woke to a world that was not too altered. Corypheus lived in a time with the Veil. On the other hand, you entered into and Solas woke to a world that is torn apart from the one both of you respectively knew.

 

Let us take this further. What if you were sent 20 years in the future? 200? 2000 ? The people kicking around then, all corrupted by Red Lyrium, even the children. The people live as long as 20 or 30. All slaves to Corypheus unless you are magister, a human and a citizen of Tevinter.

 

Yet they insist, no, their world is fine. It is all good. Though, you know that there was a world that you can return that was so much better. These people, despite being miserable, corrupted slaves, they see value in themselves. Do you erase them anyway? Or do you let this world continue as it goes? That is the world Solas woke up to.

 

Solas woke up to a world with little magic...A world where Titans slept, Dwarves are sundered, Great Dragons are mere beasts, Elves are weak shadows of themselves...A world where Spirits are feared, where there is massive conflict every 5 to 10 years, where mages are locked up in a tower...A world where there exists philosophies such as the Qun and a world that still practices slavery, especially of Elves...

 

To Solas, this world must have appeared to be like how our Inquisitors saw the future world in the quest In Hushed Whispers. The Inquisitors proceeds to undo it within an instant whereas Solas at least try to make sense of it.

 

In Solas' position, I think you know what most of us would choose.The more I think about it, the more I understand where Solas' and Corypheus' are coming from. I cannot hate them. I can dislike them out of a sense of self preservation but I would pity them as well.

 

The worst part is that the Inquisitor, in game, does what Solas and Corypheus do, albeit on a smaller scale. We traveled to the future, found a world that is abhorrent to us and sought to unmake it. We did so without hesitation, without doubt, without question and without any second thought to the people in that world. In fact, I think only Ameridan was the only person from the past who was okay with the future world.

 

The reality is that those who are calling for Solas' deaths and those who hate him are hypocrites, doubly so if they did the quest In Hushed Whispers. Upon further reflection, I do not want to kill Solas. I would stop him and only resort to killing him if there is no other choice. For the simple reason the Inquisitor is no different than Solas.

 

Personally, even I would do what Solas, Corypheus and Inquisitor did if I were put in their position. Without remorse, without hesitation and without fail. I would restore the world to what I knew unless if this alternate world is significantly superior in some way.

 

Now let us see all you self righteous hypocritical Inquisitors, especially those who did In Hushed Whispers, justify killing Solas or hating him...

 

Certainly. It's quite simple.

 

In Hushed Whispers, we see an imminent demonic genocide in-progress as demons run rampant across most of Thedas and a god-tyrant establishes tyranny. The suffering is immense, and avoidable, if the Inquisitor returns to their own time, with the lives born in the interim are marginal compared to the lives lost. And given the nature of time travel, the Inquisitor is either not destroying a timeline by returning to their own (separate timelines and all that), or, if they are, they are taking a mutually-exclusive timeline with far less immediate suffering and potential future suffering for the foreseeable future than Corypheus's alternative. Either choice is moral: either the Inquisitor is not harming the world of the Bad Future, or the Bad Future is mutually exclusive with the Better Future and so the Better Future (with more lives, and freedoms, and actually achievable) is morally superior.

 

Solas is not going back in time to prevent an imminent atrocity, he is the imminent atrocitity. His will not saving those who was lost, and will definitely inflict immense suffering with marginal returns by any standard that doesn't equate mundanes (and tranquil) as 'not people.) His choice is not mutually exclusive with a worse timeline- it's definitely inflicting harm on the current timeline. That Solas believes a world without magic but in which people are relatively happy is equivalent to a god-tyrant and demon army conquering Thedas, and that genociding these people is an acceptable avenue to something that isn't even possible, is a measure of his dysfunction.

 

Unless we share that dysfunction, players and Inquisitors who complete Hushed Whispers and believe preventing god-tyrant genocide is a good thing because god-tyrants genocidal maniacs are contemptable aren't being hypocritical for wanting to stop another god-tyrant genocide maniac.

 

It's quite simple if you ignore the false equivalences and recognize the differences.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Certainly. It's quite simple.

 

In Hushed Whispers, we see an imminent demonic genocide in-progress as demons run rampant across most of Thedas and a god-tyrant establishes tyranny. The suffering is immense, and avoidable, if the Inquisitor returns to their own time, with the lives born in the interim are marginal compared to the lives lost. And given the nature of time travel, the Inquisitor is either not destroying a timeline by returning to their own (separate timelines and all that), or, if they are, they are taking a mutually-exclusive timeline with far less immediate suffering and potential future suffering for the foreseeable future than Corypheus's alternative. Either choice is moral: either the Inquisitor is not harming the world of the Bad Future, or the Bad Future is mutually exclusive with the Better Future and so the Better Future (with more lives, and freedoms, and actually achievable) is morally superior.

 

Solas is not going back in time to prevent an imminent atrocity, he is the imminent atrocitity. His will not saving those who was lost, and will definitely inflict immense suffering with marginal returns by any standard that doesn't equate mundanes (and tranquil) as 'not people.) His choice is not mutually exclusive with a worse timeline- it's definitely inflicting harm on the current timeline. That Solas believes a world without magic but in which people are relatively happy is equivalent to a god-tyrant and demon army conquering Thedas, and that genociding these people is an acceptable avenue to something that isn't even possible, is a measure of his dysfunction.

 

Unless we share that dysfunction, players and Inquisitors who complete Hushed Whispers and believe preventing god-tyrant genocide is a good thing because god-tyrants genocidal maniacs are contemptable aren't being hypocritical for wanting to stop another god-tyrant genocide maniac.

 

It's quite simple if you ignore the false equivalences and recognize the differences.

 

If you listen to the dialogue, Solas now wants to rip the Veil open and then do something after that. He does not mention what this something is, he even mentions that he does not wish to inform the Inquisitor of his plans. Tearing the Veil down does not magically restore the World of the Elves.

 

Current hypothesis being, he wants to tear down the Veil in order to be able to perform Time Magic on the whole world. We see time magic being performed twice during DA:I, and both involved a tear in the veil. He also implied it in Trespasser, though I can't get my hands on the precise quote.

 

So Solas could potentially be doing what our Inquisitor and Dorian accomplished In Hushed Whispers, except he plans to do it on a global scale.

[Aramintai]

Current hypothesis being, he wants to tear down the Veil in order to be able to perform Time Magic on the whole world. We see time magic being performed twice during DA:I, and both involved a tear in the veil. He also implied it in Trespasser, though I can't get my hands on the precise quote.

 

So Solas could potentially be doing what our Inquisitor and Dorian accomplished In Hushed Whispers, except he plans to do it on a global scale.

As I've said in another thread - source, please. What is known however is that his People are sleeping and waiting beyond the Veil - that doesn't sound like he needs to return back into the past to get them.

[jellobell]

I'm confused by the setup. Mutilating the player character feels like a massive "up yours" and a justification for that entirely arbitrary "one game per protagonist" rule. We're supposed to stop Solas, and maybe he kind-of-sort-of wants us to, but we also can't because of that arbitrary rule and because he allegedly knows us too well. So where is this going? I think it's clear that for many people, the resolution of Solas' arc (which I guess will mark the end of the series) could only ever be handled in a satisfying manner by the Inquisitor -- not as a potentially wholly OOC cameo with no player input beyond a BS choice like whom to leave behind in the Fade, but as the player character. It would feel "wrong" to do it with any other character, even someone who maybe has also earned Solas' reluctant respect for their actions and attitudes, because that original bond between Solas and the Inquisitor (be it friendship or rage or any mix of emotion) is basically Chekov's Gun now.

Yeah. I guess I stupidly assumed that...well, with that setup there's no way the Inquisitor's not gonna be the protagonist of DA4, right?

 

I mean, for a moment the DLC made me feel better about the exercise in pointlessness that was the entirety of DA:I's plot. The point of DA:I was basically to set up Solas, to create a personal connection between him and yourself. Which could result in an amazing confrontation now that the setup is over with. But that only works if you're playing as the person that he cares about (friend, rival, lover, whatever) rather than some random other guy. There are so few stories with villains who have a personal connection to the protagonist. Why waste that?

 

If Bioware wants to stick with the one-protagonist-per-game thing, then don't use a whole game to set up a narrative arc that's never going to be allowed to come to fruition!

[Dean_the_Young]

If you listen to the dialogue, Solas now wants to rip the Veil open and then do something after that. He does not mention what this something is, he even mentions that he does not wish to inform the Inquisitor of his plans. Tearing the Veil down does not magically restore the World of the Elves.

 

 

Nothing will, and that's why he's mad. It does, however, restore magic to everyone and allow for the sort of things that existed for the ancient elves.

 

Which is his practical goal. The return of magic and ability to have that sort of civilization.

 

 

 

Current hypothesis being, he wants to tear down the Veil in order to be able to perform Time Magic on the whole world. We see time magic being performed twice during DA:I, and both involved a tear in the veil. He also implied it in Trespasser, though I can't get my hands on the precise quote.

 

 

 

You'll probably have as much luck with that as the Hissing Wastes codex of the mages being brainwashed. Solas does not claim time magic, does not present his ambition as 'going back' to prevent his misdeeds. He is very up front that he's going to kill people and create a world for the survivors- not that they'll never be killed or exist in the first place. The world was to be burned and remade on the ashes, not prevented from ever existing in the first place.

 

Moreover, time magic in DAI had a very significant limitation: it did not, and could not, go back before the Breach and tsundering of the Veil. You don't get to cite 'time magic' while ignorring it's most important constraint.

 

But don't give up hope. I am certain you'll be able to find something that, by removing from context and ignorring everything else he says and not thinking too hard about the way he says things, will possibly allow you the potential interpretation that maybe his goal isn't what he says it is and burning the world, and that he'll do what we've already established can not be done and go back in time to prevent all harms from ever happening.

 

Indoctrination Theory is still a thing, after all.

 

 

 

So Solas could potentially be doing what our Inquisitor and Dorian accomplished In Hushed Whispers, except he plans to do it on a global scale.

 

 

Except what he tells us indicates otherwise, and you're the one who invented and pushed forward this theory. Not him.

 

But hey. Got to defend that crazy elf, am I right?

[Aramintai]

@ Dean_the_Young I agree about your points. The idea that Solas will use time magic looks pretty weak.

I've pointed some of mine in another Solas thread:

http://forum.bioware...9#entry19673463

[Dean_the_Young]

Yeah. I guess I stupidly assumed that...well, with that setup there's no way the Inquisitor's not gonna be the protagonist of DA4, right?

 

 

Removing the Inquisitor's hand and having him/her say their adventuring days are behind them rather indicates otherwise.

 

 

 

 

I mean, for a moment the DLC made me feel better about the exercise in pointlessness that was the entirety of DA:I's plot. The point of DA:I was basically to set up Solas, to create a personal connection between him and yourself. Which could result in an amazing confrontation now that the setup is over with. But that only works if you're playing as the person that he cares about (friend, rival, lover, whatever) rather than some random other guy. There are so few stories with villains who have a personal connection to the protagonist. Why waste that?

 

 

Because that's not the point of DA:I.

 

In so much that DA:I had a point besides its own plot, it was to resolve previous plots (such as Mage-Templar, Chantry, Orlais, Blight origins), and start moving the other arcs forward (Qunari, Dwarf history, Tevinter). Solas is just one part of it.
 

 

If Bioware wants to stick with the one-protagonist-per-game thing, then don't use a whole game to set up a narrative arc that's never going to be allowed to come to fruition!

 

 

DAI wasn't an entire narrative arc around Solas. Solas got a teaser-epilogue to reveal his importance and provide a 'gotcha' re-think of his character, and shared an epilogue DLC with two other major plots (the fate of the Inquisition, and Qunari).

 

Solas is introduced to give the player foreshadowing and insight of the future plotlines. The Inquisitor is no more required for this than Hawke was required to resolve Mage-Templar.

[jellobell]

Because that's not the point of DA:I.

 

In so much that DA:I had a point besides its own plot, it was to resolve previous plots (such as Mage-Templar, Chantry, Orlais, Blight origins), and start moving the other arcs forward (Qunari, Dwarf history, Tevinter). Solas is just one part of it.

Yes, those things had to happen in a world-sense. But I was always so confused by Inquisition's arc. Corypheus is...just a less compelling Solas. And it feels rather hollow to beat the bad guy and save the world before your companion immediately runs off to do the exact same thing a few years later.

 

Inquisition was definitely necessary, but it feels like it went to all this trouble to set up a personal connection with a villain that won't be able to be taken advantage of. I agree that Hawke wasn't needed to solve the mage/templar conflict. But if Anders had been set up as the head of the mage faction then I would've felt rather cheated if we'd confronted him as someone completely different.

[Reznore57]

Yes, those things had to happen in a world-sense. But I was always so confused by Inquisition's arc. Corypheus is...just a less compelling Solas. And it feels rather hollow to beat the bad guy and save the world before your companion immediately runs off to do the exact same thing a few years later.

 

Inquisition was definitely necessary, but it feels like it went to all this trouble to set up a personal connection with a villain that won't be able to be taken advantage of. I agree that Hawke wasn't needed to solve the mage/templar conflict. But if Anders had been set up as the head of the mage faction then I would've felt rather cheated if we'd confronted him as someone completely different.

 

It seems the whole story of Hawke in DA2 was a prologue before he would become Inquisitor and face Corypheus again .

The mage/templar war was probably a back drop but even Hawke was important for that , he was the catalyst and having him speak at the Temple of Sacred Ashes would have worked better.

Hell depending on who you supported in DA2 , things could have played out differently.

 

Now the Inqui says to Solas "I will redeem you" or "I will stop you".And you can get to Solas because you're his friend or someone he respect.

The next protag won't have that going on.

Hell Solas is the one who created the Inquisitor.The mark came from Fen Harel orb , Skyhold was Fen Harel...you'rebasically the Herald of Fen Harel announcing changes even if you're clueless about it.

And again we will probably never have any resolution to that...

[Carmen_Willow]

Solas:

 

Now that you put it this way - I see it! I see the light!