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[diaspora2k5]

The protag for DA4 will be a new character, the Inquisitor only have one arm to work with I think supports that. It's best to come to terms with this now.

[Carmen_Willow]

I love Solas, but the guy needs to learn to let things go.

 

You failed, man. That whole Veil idea turned out to bite you in the ass and destroy almost everything you held dear. The empire and people you tried to protect and free are DEAD AND GONE. Period. It's over. The past is dust. Move on and work on making things better for the elves of today. I mean, that beautiful valley sanctuary could probably be used a permanent settlement for a lot of Dalish clans, city elves and Tevinter slaves. Just invest in that and leave this idiotic plan, which will surely result in the elven gods being free again, and work on building an actual future for your people that doesn't involve mass genocide. 

 

Oh, well. I like the poor guilt-ridden fool, but the fact of the matter is that regardless of his attempts to make the genocide of the world "comfortable" he is in fact a monster whose plans seem less focused on helping the elves and more to do with bringing back a world that he prefers over the current one. 

 

Just like Corypheus. Anyways, I hope we can convince him he's being selfish and stupid so that his wisdom and power can be used for something useful, but if not...

 

Murderknife. 

In this sense, Solas reminds me of Merrill, both of whom stubbornly hold onto an idea that has failed more than once. How does he bring back the dead? He saw what happens when the Veil is sundered if you do Hushed Whispers. How does he redeem all that pain and suffering? When all the chaos is over, who is left to benefit from the restoration of his world, and who lives in it? Does he have a secret cave filled with ancient elves in stasis, just waiting for their old world to return? Cui Bono, Solas?  And will the return of his old world remove the Black City and the Darkspawn?  (I had to watch the walkthrough, I'm one of the poor, downtrodden 360'ers who were deemed "unworthy" to buy this DLC. so I may have missed something.) Will reinstating his old world destroy them? Merrill wouldn't turn loose, and unless you get it just right, you have to destroy her clan. Are all elves so stubborn?

[Korva]

Yes, those things had to happen in a world-sense. But I was always so confused by Inquisition's arc. Corypheus is...just a less compelling Solas.

 

That's because Corypheus was never allowed to be a character. Still a huge criticism of mine. Inquisition didn't really have a story so much as it had a collection of semi-related plot threads that were handled in a hot-potato manner and buried under wannabe "open world" filler content. They crammed too much into one game, weakening all its individual aspects, and sadly the supposed antagonist was the primary victim of that. I always had the strong impression that the whole "Inquisitor vs. Corypheus" story was not the one Bioware was really interested in telling, and Trespasser seems to pretty much confirm that.

[Milan92]

I won't kill him, but I sure as hell will stop him.

[cap and gown]

So, I have watched three different ending playthroughs on youtube, and every one of these had the Inquisitor being nice to Solas. One even had the (non-romanced) Inquisitor asking if she could help him. What is wrong with people? The dude has just admitted to being a monster. Is there something wrong with agreeing with him? "Thanks" ?!?!?!? No one picks "I'll stop you" ?!?!?! WTF??

[jellobell]

That's because Corypheus was never allowed to be a character. Still a huge criticism of mine. Inquisition didn't really have a story so much as it had a collection of semi-related plot threads that were handled in a hot-potato manner and buried under wannabe "open world" filler content. They crammed too much into one game, weakening all its individual aspects, and sadly the supposed antagonist was the primary victim of that. I always had the strong impression that the whole "Inquisitor vs. Corypheus" story was not the one Bioware was really interested in telling, and Trespasser seems to pretty much confirm that.

Yeah.

 

Bioware's created a weird precedent here. They set up the antagonist in the game previous to the one they're involved in. They go out of their way to connect the player character to the antagonist...and then welp, new game, new character, blank slate. This happened with Corypheus and he was a weaker antagonist because of it. And Hawke didn't have half the connection with him that the Inquisitor does with Solas.

 

Why make it so the player has a connection with the villain but not the protagonist? It creates a whole new relationship than the one they took the trouble to set up. Like what happened with Varric when you stopped being Hawke. It weakens the writing.

[Nefla]

I like him, but I don't see us as being able to turn him away from his path and he's too much of a danger to live I think a romanced Lavellan dying in order to kill him would be fitting and tragic.

[Nefla]

So, I have watched three different ending playthroughs on youtube, and every one of these had the Inquisitor being nice to Solas. One even had the (non-romanced) Inquisitor asking if she could help him. What is wrong with people? The dude has just admitted to being a monster. Is there something wrong with agreeing with him? "Thanks" ?!?!?!? No one picks "I'll stop you" ?!?!?! WTF??

My first inquisitor (who had an antagonistic relationship with Solas) said he would stop Solas and also things like "you don't see use as people do you?" and "you were using us th whole time!" I want to see the friendlier options with other characters but as myself I agree that he must be stopped. Though for some reason during that conversation with him I was intimidated as hell lol

[cap and gown]

My first inquisitor (who had an antagonistic relationship with Solas) said he would stop Solas and also things like "you don't see use as people do you?" and "you were using us th whole time!" I want to see the friendlier options with other characters but as myself I agree that he must be stopped. Though for some reason during that conversation with him I was intimidated as hell lol

 

Well, the "Attack him" option does seem kind of futile considering what he just did to all those Qunari. No way the Inquisitor is going to win that fight.

[Nefla]

Well, the "Attack him" option does seem kind of futile considering what he just did to all those Qunari. No way the Inquisitor is going to win that fight.

I was wondering if picking that one would lead to a nonstandard game over like with Morinth in ME2 so I didn't pick it lol! I chickened out >.< Totally going to attack him with a different character though.

[AresKeith]

Maybe some of the elven gods were actually pretty chill but Solas hated them out of jealousy.

 

Well they did kill Mythal

[Boost32]

Well they did kill Mythal

He did it too, its like a ritual of passage to become a full elven god.

[Shechinah]

My first inquisitor (who had an antagonistic relationship with Solas) said he would stop Solas and also things like "you don't see use as people do you?" and "you were using us th whole time!" I want to see the friendlier options with other characters but as myself I agree that he must be stopped.

 

I had a friendly and romantical relationship with Solas but I also still selected the dialogue options "You don't see us as people, do you?" and "You were using us the whole time" because in these situations, I feel my character would shift through different emotions throughout the dialogue. It was quite the revelation afterall.

 

The first Inquisitor of mine will attempt to save Solas because she still carries the hope that it'll be possible and would not like to see him die if it can be avoided. She'll still oppose him and this plan of his as long as she lives because I wrote good on her character sheet and I jolly well meant it!

 

Even if Solas could carry out this plan of his in a way that would have no negative impact on the modern elves and would only benefit them, she'd still try to stand in his way because it would still mean the deaths of innocent people and that she cannot and will not abide.

 

 

[Shechinah]

Though for some reason during that conversation with him I was intimidated as hell lol

 

Solas has a very different body language even towards a romanced Inquisitor as if he is attempting to keep a certain mask that you see the cracks of during certain parts of the scene. It is very formal and stoic which I see as fitting as he is trying to distance himself from you least he falls into old habits and familiar feelings and gives too much away about his plotting or his guilt over yours and others' fate compromises him.

 

To put it in another way: Solas was expressive and relatively open in comparison both emotionally and eventually intellectually - he was doubting. Fen'Harel is stoic and closed in comparison both emotionally and intellectually - he needs to not doubt.
 

[Solas]

Something that remained with me after finishing this DLC are Morrigan's words. In the epilogue Morrigan says, "’Tis said that Corypheus woke after his long slumber and found the world gone awry."

 

In the final discussion with Solas he says that when he woke up a year before the explosion at the Conclave it was like everyone was Tranquil. He's determined to bring back existence as he remembers it, no matter the cost.

 

This is very similar to the next line in the initial epilogue narrated by Morrigan, "He fought to bring back those days of magic and shadow, to raise himself as a god, and set things right."

 

However, I think possibly the most apt parallels is one you can draw with yourself: Your Inquisitor's reaction to In Hushed Whispers is perhaps the most telling.

 

When your Inquisitor are sent into the future, you see a world in total chaos and misery. At any point, did you think to yourself, "Maybe I should look into this more, and not try to erase this future?"

 

Erasing this future means destroying anyone who was born. Erasing bad things, of course, but good things, too, even if they seem few. There must be some good things that were present in that world. Perhaps we could have helped the resistance fight the Elder One and take him down instead of erasing the timeline.

 

However, you and Dorian never stop and consider that you should salvage this world or save it. This world is abhorrent to you. A total catastrophe, and failing abomination. Of course you are going to restore the world you knew. Whatever the flaws of your own world, it is surely better than what you see? Dorian even repeats this to character such as Leliana who replied that this world was real to them regardless of what you say.

 

There are parallels with Corypheus, yes, but Corypheus, at least, woke to a world that was not too altered. Corypheus lived in a time with the Veil. On the other hand, you entered into and Solas woke to a world that is torn apart from the one both of you respectively knew.

 

Let us take this further. What if you were sent 20 years in the future? 200? 2000 ? The people kicking around then, all corrupted by Red Lyrium, even the children. The people live as long as 20 or 30. All slaves to Corypheus unless you are magister, a human and a citizen of Tevinter.

 

Yet they insist, no, their world is fine. It is all good. Though, you know that there was a world that you can return that was so much better. These people, despite being miserable, corrupted slaves, they see value in themselves. Do you erase them anyway? Or do you let this world continue as it goes? That is the world Solas woke up to.

 

Solas woke up to a world with little magic...A world where Titans slept, Dwarves are sundered, Great Dragons are mere beasts, Elves are weak shadows of themselves...A world where Spirits are feared, where there is massive conflict every 5 to 10 years, where mages are locked up in a tower...A world where there exists philosophies such as the Qun and a world that still practices slavery, especially of Elves...

 

To Solas, this world must have appeared to be like how our Inquisitors saw the future world in the quest In Hushed Whispers. The Inquisitors proceeds to undo it within an instant whereas Solas at least try to make sense of it.

 

In Solas' position, I think you know what most of us would choose.The more I think about it, the more I understand where Solas' and Corypheus' are coming from. I cannot hate them. I can dislike them out of a sense of self preservation but I would pity them as well.

 

The worst part is that the Inquisitor, in game, does what Solas and Corypheus do, albeit on a smaller scale. We traveled to the future, found a world that is abhorrent to us and sought to unmake it. We did so without hesitation, without doubt, without question and without any second thought to the people in that world. In fact, I think only Ameridan was the only person from the past who was okay with the future world.

 

The reality is that those who are calling for Solas' deaths and those who hate him are hypocrites, doubly so if they did the quest In Hushed Whispers. Upon further reflection, I do not want to kill Solas. I would stop him and only resort to killing him if there is no other choice. For the simple reason the Inquisitor is no different than Solas.

 

Personally, even I would do what Solas, Corypheus and Inquisitor did if I were put in their position. Without remorse, without hesitation and without fail. I would restore the world to what I knew unless if this alternate world is significantly superior in some way.

 

Now let us see all you self righteous hypocritical Inquisitors, especially those who did In Hushed Whispers, justify killing Solas or hating him...

She absolutely would do the same thing in his position. He's not a monster, he's just the man on the other side of the coin. The Redcliffe future, Solas' comments like 'you'd do the same would you not' and his reference to the Dread Wolf title being like Inquisitor inspiring hope or fear.. plus his own being-raised to godlike status despite not wanting that to be so (same as the Herald).. in this he's a foil for Cory and the Quiz. I play a Quiz who'd do absolutely anything, even something monstrous, to protect or save her people. he's her reflection. Cory Solas and Quiz are different shades of the same thing.

 

But it's his world or hers. It's a sick choice to have to make but it's their survival or his. He has to be stopped or talked down - and if he has to be killed, so be it. she fought for her world in Redcliffe Future and will fight for her world now with Solas. that's human survivalism really. but that's RP. I love Solas and don't want him to die, lol.

 

and if I, as a real person, fell asleep one day, and woke up in the future where my hometown was destroyed and replaced by a new one.. my hometown is a note in history and long-dead for the people of the new world but fresh and clear as day in my mind and it's the new town that isn't real. if I could somehow push a button and bring back and save my town at the cost of this strange new one.. I can't say I wouldn't do it, even if the new town wasn't a crapsack world where everything had gone to ****.

[LOLandStuff]

So, no one finds it rather baffling how he's willing to kill the woman he loves simply because he refuses to live in the current world and try to adapt?

That line with him "I don''t want you to see what I'll become." or something makes no sense whatsoever since he's so willing to blow **** up.

 

He was such a sad miserable puppy when he brokeup with Lavellan and after they met again, but he's totally ok with destroying her world.

Maybe he'll be so overexcited once the old elves return, that he'll get over it. But we already know how that will turn out. Solas and planning.

[LOLandStuff]

It's still rather disturbing.

 

"I love you but I don't want you with me because silly reason. Also, sorry. But I have to waste this world and you along with it. But if it makes you feel better, I will feel very bad about it."

[Boost32]

Abelas said he didn't. Where did he confess he did? Is it a codex I missed?

Post credit scene.

[Solas]

Well consider, Flemythal can't have her revenge on the ones who killed her unless he lets them free. She can't whoop their asses if they asleep in fadeprison lmfao

 

We aint seen the last of her to be sure

[Boost32]

Oh you mean when he took her remaining essence? Seemed mutual to me. I think those two are working together and I have a weird feeling she's not completely gone because of what she sent to Morrigan. Something's not right. She knew something just like when she had Hawke save her knowing the HOF would have been talked into killing her by her daughter. Also in VR post-game someone says they saw a woman in their dream. It seems none of that was ever explained though.

That was not mutual, he "killed" her to steal her power (but she knew he was going to do it). But yes, she will cheat death a third time.