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TheBestclass wrote...

Well, why don't we go on the internet and cry about it.


Well, last time I checked this is the best place to give feedback on the game.  If you know of a magic phone number where customers can speak to the designers then please share it.

Crying is one thing, but giving real feedback (which the OP was doing even if in a huge block of text) should be encouraged.

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TheBestclass wrote...

Well, why don't we go on the internet and cry about it.


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Caseypwns wrote...

Up till yesterday, I was an enthusiastic Bioware fan.  Anything they made seemed to me to be golden.  In playing mass effect 1 and waiting for mass effect 2, I had high hopes, confident that Bioware would deliver a game that was superior in every way shape and form to the origional.  Boy oh boy was I disappointed.  First of all, party mechanics, related to this, character representation and interaction.  You can no longer take direct control of you teamates, you no longer have a conveniently located status monitor for your squad, you instead have two very annoying, very distracting images of your party members pasted to your ass it seems.  While I give Bioware credit for refining the tactical command element of the squad, it seems like it doesnt quite balance out.  Next we have the inventory system, or lack there of, you can no longer purchase nor equip armor for your squad, rather their defenses and abilities appear to scale with each level up.  While at the same time I have to say that I do love the armor customization option for shepherd, but why not that option for the whole crew?  Next we have weapons, upgrades, and items.  Weapons which were a dime a dozen in the first mass effect, are mysteriously absent this time around, rather you have a few weapons that feel like you can only manage pocket change capacity for ammo storage.  While this does perturb me, I do like the ammo system, its nice, but doesnt feel quite right in terms of the lore or the game, which I recall calls for mass effect weapons shaving off a miniscule amount of some material block and mass accelerating it out of the gun,  too me it seems like you go through ammo too quickly.  Next upgrades, these seem to be the general replacement for the inventory system from mass effect 1, and while definetly usefull, it is no comparison to the inventory system from the origional game.  And while certain allowances are expected for regen for health, why eliminate medpacs all together.  This ties into my next issue, cooldowns.  In the first mass effect you could string multiple abilites together to turn a tactically disadvantageous situation around, here you cant though.  The insane cooldown time makes it improbable that you would have time to use an ability multiple times in a single fight.  I am playing on normal as a pistol packing sentinel, and I use my abilities at the beginning of a fight, and by the time its done, my cooldown isnt even up.  This holds true for bosses as well.  Why is it that tech and biotic abilities are no useless against an opponent unless they are basically defenseless?  How is that tactical gameplay, at most they seem like glorified finishing moves, since by the time you use them your opponent is already defenseless.  My final issue is with the expectation that I and much of the gaming world expected would be remedied, and that was the screen rendering issues of the first game, yet I have been seeing them throughout my play through.  As well, what is with the glitches??? Every time i close my menu, shepherd runs to the left???

Thats the last of the negative, so now I want to offer some positive to balance this post out and give it credence.
The polish on this game is a high sheen, it looks amazing, as do the npcs and playable characters througout. The story, or what I have experienced so far is compelling and interesting. the simplification and tactical control of the new squad system is quite nice and very welcome, as is the clip system implemented in the weapons.  Overall I would have to say that I am most impressed with the galaxy layout and the diversity in planetoids and the options for exploration.

However all this being said, It is my opinion that ME2 is no match for the origional ME.  Simply put they took everything right from the first game and either broke it or simply did away with it, but on the other hand they took everything wrong with the first game and corrected it.  However things dont quite seem to balance out.  I submit this in the hopes that it will aid Bioware in correcting the plethora of mistakes made on ME2 so that they can be avoided for the final installment of the trilogy.  Im rooting for you Bioware! please do not disappoint me again.


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And the cycle of ignorance begins again...

btw, excellent post Caseypwns, and dizzymonkey_bio.

Modifié par OTGWraith, 27 janvier 2010 - 11:32 .


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OTGWraith wrote...

I don't see you complaining about the repeating positive posts.. it's not about the repeating posts, it's because you're too immature to allow an opposing opinion. bottom line. Everything else you say is lies to hide that fact. That's trolling.


It's funny you should say that... I've not actually come across any of the repeated positive posts, I'm not actually watching the forum, just checking the recent posts bit, so all I see is constant "WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH THIS SUCKS" and a few posts of "oh hey guys, I've got this problem, could someone help me out here?" which gets quickly drowned out by "WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH THIS SUCKS!"
That said, if I did come across someone giving zero new critique just for the sake of having their opinion heard, yeah, I'd be telling them to put it in ONE (one (1)) thread.

I'm fine with opposing opinion - if even one of you dull ****s actually game up with some interesting criticisms rather than just ****ing about having to deal with ammo now (and yeah, I agree that the explanation they've given sounds weak) then something worthwhile could come of it, perhaps there could be some improvements made in patches or for ME3, but instead you're just crying that it's crap which serves no purpose.

If you actually have criticisms then make them, but make them in a single thread which doesn't drown out all the questions that matter to the players with real issues.

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Captain Jazz wrote...

OTGWraith wrote...

I don't see you complaining about the repeating positive posts.. it's not about the repeating posts, it's because you're too immature to allow an opposing opinion. bottom line. Everything else you say is lies to hide that fact. That's trolling.


It's funny you should say that... I've not actually come across any of the repeated positive posts, I'm not actually watching the forum, just checking the recent posts bit, so all I see is constant "WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH THIS SUCKS" and a few posts of "oh hey guys, I've got this problem, could someone help me out here?" which gets quickly drowned out by "WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH THIS SUCKS!"
That said, if I did come across someone giving zero new critique just for the sake of having their opinion heard, yeah, I'd be telling them to put it in ONE (one (1)) thread.

I'm fine with opposing opinion - if even one of you dull ****s actually game up with some interesting criticisms rather than just ****ing about having to deal with ammo now (and yeah, I agree that the explanation they've given sounds weak) then something worthwhile could come of it, perhaps there could be some improvements made in patches or for ME3, but instead you're just crying that it's crap which serves no purpose.

If you actually have criticisms then make them, but make them in a single thread which doesn't drown out all the questions that matter to the players with real issues.


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I agree with the OP. The orignal ME was better for me. I was also hyped about this game but i wished they just change what bothers people most concerning me1, not change the whole game, the game is fun but for me me1 was better. It feels more like an rpg rather than a shooter.




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Quite the retort there Stevie Jay! :)

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Aielex wrote...

The enter key would go a long way toward making that readable. That said I skimmed through and disagree with almost everything you said.


This.  Sorry you didn't enjoy it, but I have a feeling you're going to be in a stark minority.  The only reason I'm on my computer right now is because I'm waiting for Zaeed to download.  ME2 = golden awesomeness wrapped in legendary sauce.

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TheSeventhJedi wrote...
 ME2 = golden awesomeness wrapped in legendary sauce.

Indeed! I know because I've personally witnessed Bioware bringing it down from Mount Sinai! :wizard:

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I would have preferred a few more things be retained from ME1, but nothing that was taken out has killed or dampened my enjoyment of the game.

I believe they had to take risks and try things - they now have 2 very clear plates to draw from when crafting ME3 to push it to the limit.

In my opinion, the 2 major glaring issues I have is: Squad customization is must. The removal of that in terms of gearing them for armor like you can Shepherd was a very bad call. They deserve every level of depth as Shepherd and that's a tried and true staple RPG function.

Secondly, while the scanning is LESS irksome then driving the Mako up horrible mountain number 3452, the scanning itself happens TOO much and is TOO tedious to carry on into ME3. I LIKE the idea of scanning, but it needs to be cleaned up. It shouldn't take long, it should yield a fair amount of resources and it should be made to not require a resource that has to basically be refreshed every 1 or 2 planets, which makes trips to remote sections for scanning a pain as you have to fly back multiple times.

There are a few other minor quibbles, but IMO, they made great strides in ME2 overall. I understand that not everyone likes seeing some of the "true" RPG aspects vanish, but I believe given ME's focus/drive, the ability to bite down on the action and keep it churning backed by amazing dialogue/story is far worth the loss of any RPG aspects thus far.

We like to grumble about things in hindsight - EVERYONE ****ed about the inventory. Many asked for it to be taken away even or replaced entirely. Much of what happened in ME2 is a result of our voices and it's funny to see people go "Wait no I don't like what you did instead!" - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It'd just be nice if we could discuss the pros and cons w/o breaking down into pointless, pendantic spats :\\ We're better then that.

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I wouldn't usually say anything, but you have like 20 lines without a change of paragraph. You can't expect anybody to actually read that

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@ OP.. i am not sure what did you expect from game that is primarily made for console then for PC as secondary option(unlike DAO for example).

You can't expect something with deep RPG system (not that ME1 had that ) or with hardcore approach when it's targeting extremely limited platform (equal to subpar PC) and population with attention span of hummingbird.

I mean, at least half of them wouldn't be able to finish game if it was even slightly harder(or has more command keys).They probably would be quite overwhelmed with it, and wouldn't buy third part because of it.C'mon, they can't even target without auto-aim.

Your best bet is to play something more in depth (which most of RPG's are ) or just playthrough this one with accepting that it's not what you expected.

Modifié par tariq071, 27 janvier 2010 - 11:53 .


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tariq071 wrote...

@ OP.. i am not sure what did you expect from game that is primarily made for console then for PC as secondary option(unlike DAO for example).

You can't expect something with deep RPG system (not that ME1 had that ) or with hardcore approach when it's targeting extremely limited platform (equal to subpar PC) and population with attention span of hummingbird.

I mean, at least half of them wouldn't be able to finish game if it was even slightly harder(or has more command keys).They probably would be quite overwhelmed with it, and wouldn't buy third part because of it.
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Ok, just because we play on an xbox doesn't make us stuipd.

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Inventory system ; GOOD RIDANCE!! It's was a chore in the first game .. The inventory system was just good for 1 reason .. Credit and selling your 4 gigan tons of upgrades and armor you have on your backpack

Universal cooldown :Good idea!! That more reaslistic .. Spamming tech and biotic in ME1 was boring.At least you have to use it correctly.Also ... i use my abilities quite often during a fight.Stop playing on carebear mode.

Controlling Squadmates .. The only reason i controlled them was because the AI sucked in ME1 and the companions would simply go in front of me and take bullet into their shield or rush like a Chimpanzee .. In ME2 they use cover and the Squad order actually work.

Ammo : So now you have to manage your ammo and not your heat..Who care..

 

Modifié par Suprez30, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:00 .


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I wonder if the RPG nerds yelled at Froto and his Fellowship for not picking up the weapons after doing battle with the Orcs.



"YOU STUPID FOOLS! THAT GEAR COULD BE BETTER.. YOU CAN SELL IT FOR GOLD COINS! OMG.. WHY WOULD YOU NOT PICK UP INFERIOR GEAR???"

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Here is the thing, ME2 is a great game - but to me it does not feel like a sequel to ME1 in any way exept for the story - and that is why I think people were kinda disapointed.



I mean think about this - you play KOTOR right - then you hear a sequel is coming out - now imagine that the sequel is not the Sith Lords - which was like the original game but improved (imo anyways) - but instead it is The Force Unleashed - exept this version may have the ability for you to choose where you go and have party members....come on its an RPG right? Story - ability to choose your skill points - ability to change your outfit and your lightsaber.....



Come on now though - see that is why people are kinda upset - making a game that plays a certain way, and then COMPLETLEY changing it is going to upset people that really liked the first one - thats just how it is - now if ME2 was not ME2 but a first rendition of another game, or even ME1 then I do not think it would be that big of a deal.



Here is the thing for me - I loved ME1 because it was a really good mix of RPG and shooter - did it need its RPG elements improved? Yes. - Instead though they were pretty much removed. -



Why are people upset? Because the original game was a RPG with a little TPS mixed in - ME2 is a TPS, with a little bit of RPG mixed in.



IMO they should not have changed the game like they did - making a game and then making a sequel that is not like the original (gameplay wise) is stupid - You and I both would have been pissed if they made the second KOTOR an real time action game (think TFU) instead of being an RPG like the first - All these people who are like "get over it" need to try and step into the shoes of people that like the amount of RPG in the first one....then come to the second one and discover its nothing like the first.



Once I was able to let go of being bummed about what was missing and just take the game for what it was - I liked it - yet it does not feel like ME2 to me in any way exept for the story - I am not as immersed in the game - it is way more linear - I do not care as much about any of the characters - way less side quests - really it just feels like a really fun TPS with a good story - quite honestly I wish they would have just done away some other of the RPG elements at this point - I mean having to fuel up and buy probes...stupid...having to scan planets...stupid....none of these make my enjoyment or immersion greater - they just annoy me - I wonder at some point if someone thought " Wait we didnt add in something that everyone hates doing and is really tedous!" - Then someone says " I got it! Well make them use a scanner that is slow as hell to scan planets for resouces! And they will have to do it cause without it you cant get the best upgrades and abilitys!!! Ha Ha! " :)

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Sell ME2 to a game store.

Don't buy ME3.

Find a game you enjoy and play that instead.



Problem solved. Lots of us enjoy it. It is a video game, its not life or death. Sorry you didn't have fun, but like i say go play something else.

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Clumsy Ninja wrote...

I always find it interesting that when people appreciate something, they don't go out of their way to comment on it nearly as much as the haters. (Probably because they are busy enjoying the game.)


Unfortunately, we live in a pop culture that loves to tear things down - celeberties, politicans, athletes...etc.
A game is no different for people with that mentality.  There are positive posts and also constructive critiques, but they get buried by the ZOMG!!>! WTF type posts by people that've only played the game for an hour at the most and can't grasp the concept of why their characters aren't demi-gods by level 2.

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First of all, party mechanics, related to this, character representation and interaction.  You can no longer take direct control of you teamates,


*cough* lol.

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Stevie Jay wrote...

And I suppose you can do better?

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If I had the funding that ME2 had I know I could, though it would be more along of Firefly/Serenity than Star Trek/Star Wars.

Modifié par Killian Kalthorne, 05 février 2010 - 12:07 .


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xWARWICKx wrote...



Why are people upset? Because the original game was a RPG with a little TPS mixed in - ME2 is a TPS, with a little bit of RPG mixed in.


Good summary. Also agree with everything else you said. I had a feeling Me2 was going to be like this just from reading the char bios on the website.

I don't play RPGs, but Me1 was special, thats why I played it. I havn't even played Dragon Age, I don't think it suits me. I understand all sequels try to expand market share, but you should never forget the first one was great not because it tried to please everybody.

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your thread is a Complete and utter disappointment, pure and simple ...anyways stop bashing this game it is a great game f you don't like it go sell it and never go on a bioware forum again....

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Befudlement: Orginal subject instigator unware of buyer remorse?

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tl:dr get a life. The way you make nitpicks seem like game-breaking, stroke worthy bugs is a testament to your immaturity.

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You couldn't take direct control of your party members in Mass Effect 1 either...

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Shhhh, Frigid Leaf, don't bare to light facts that could raise possible questions relating to the orginal post's creditiblity and legitimacy.