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[vixie238]

Finished my 1st playthrough, I disbanded the inquisition. My female Lavellan romanced solas, she was prepared to see the world in RUINS just to BE with solas.. Sadly that wasn't an option.. So instead disbanded the inquisition, in hopes of weakening the forces that were out to stop Solas against whatever he sets out to achieve.

My Lavellan had turned evil like that

Go Solas!

[Satihis]

After several reloads to try each option, my Lady Trevelyan decided to disband the Inquisition (teary eye option). 

 

I just couldn't put my Inquisition under the church... UGH. I love Leliana (my divine) but I ****** hate anything church related!! So you can guess I'm not very fond of the Chantry.

 

She was Solas's friend, and she's a sweet and forgiving person, so she decided to try and save him from himself.

[paramitch]

I felt the decision was pretty balanced and interesting. For me, and my RP'd characters thus far, they all ended the Inquisition. It felt more right, more real, and more personal. Keeping the Inquisition (to me) shows someone who's enjoying that power, and while that may be many, it wasn't my characters (yet), so I let them downscale and throw the book at the committee.

 

I honestly don't see anyone stopping Solas with brute force. What chance one haves against someone that turns an living being into stone with the power of the mind? It's no wonder the elven gods were called, well, gods. Their power is far beyond the average mage.

 

Exactly. Solas can turn people to stone with a thought. His weaknesses? We his companions know him, have affection for him, have debated and talked with him. In some cases, fell in love with him. We are his weaknesses; we remind him that there may be other options. And I find that a lot of fun and pretty complex and fascinating (certainly more than Coryphypants or other usual villains). Best of all, Solas may not even end up a villain at all; I truly hope we can still affect him. We did once, after all.

 

I went with the peaceful easy solution of supporting Leliana... sorry, Divine Victoria. We basically become the peacekeepers for her. I also told Solas I'd like to change his mind, and he said he hoped he would be wrong again. Which was pretty effin' cool imo. Then, Quizzy says at the end that we're gonna try to save him from himself. I really enjoyed it. So warm fuzzies.

 

I love that entire conversation. I think Solas is flawed, but not evil. Like many DA characters (Sten, or Bull, most notably, before he went TV) -- Solas simply cannot see beyond the valley of his own situation. He needs us to help him realize there are more solutions. Fingers crossed.

 

My Quizzy was hurt, betrayed, and in shock. Her best friend is going to Tevinter. She found her love only to have him revel the awful truth, and then leave her again. She lost an arm.

 

Dang right she chose the angry disband. She's sick of the Inquisition, sick of the politics, and she just wants to try and reason with Solas. I loved this option.

 

Yeah, I did wish there was even the smallest cutscene showing reactions to Quizzie's ordeal, meeting with Solas, his mercy (and rescue), and her loss of a freaking LIMB. Just saying. When she marches back in and Josie just smiles, like, "Hey, you look great, whups, no arm? No problem!" And where I'm all about the empowerment I just would have liked one more cutscene acknowledging the huge revelations we just witnessed (and the huge change for Quizzie).

 

I'm conflicted over what will make the best story for my Inquisitor. She romanced Solas and I played her as a person who, after all she learned about the elves in the main game, threw herself into the organization and dedicated herself to the task of providing order because she didn't feel she could return to the Dalish after all that. The Inquisition meant a lot to her, but at the same time it was a bit of a crutch, something she fixated on because it was all she had.

 

First off, I love your avatar (I loved Illyria so much). Meanwhile: The great thing is, we have lots of options, thanks to the Keep. I just hope we can also maintain our Inquisitors even if it's some kind of dual protagonist situation. I love my Inquisitor and she's lost so much. I want to see her see this through.

 

I thought Arl Tegan was pretty reasonable throughout.

 

He has reason to distrust an organization with an army, not just on the border of his nation, maintaining a hold on sovereign Ferelden territory two years after they should have relinquished control.

 

Later, he has more than enough reason to be angry when the Inquisition all but declares martial law over the Winter Palace, and doesn't disclose the nature or scope of the Qunari threat until it is almost out of control.

 

Really, while the Inquisitor shows themselves to be personally competent as a combatant, the organization shows itself to be everything the nobles have reason to fear it is.  The Inquisition has a hammer, and not only does everything look like a nail, they start to believe that they are the only capable carpenter.  And that's before we find out that every elf in the organization not named Sera or 'Dalish' is either a Qunari spy or a Solas spy.

 

I agree with a lot of this. What I love about "Trespasser" is that we are shown what is right -- and wrong -- with the Inquisition. The choices to keep secrets that endanger others, to implement a private peacekeeping force, to make decisions on behalf of multiple nations? I understand all of it in context. But I totally also understand Arl Teagan (sourpuss that he is) freaking out about it. And I think -- for this and multiple other reasons -- all my Quizzies have been happy to shut down the Inquisition from a political power and take it to where it belongs -- as a small band of smart people as a kind of superfriends who want to keep doing good works.

 

If it sounds like I'm bashing Solas, I'm not. It was brilliantly done, and if anything, I like him better as a character because of it. But Maxwell is a lot more conflicted about him than I am.

Spoiler

Solas knew that activating the orb was dangerous. He knew it would release tons of energy, and counted on it. His mistake cost thousands of lives. Maxwell understands that Solas really had no idea that the orb would blow up an entire mountain, and he isn't really holding him responsible for that. But he is horrified by the knowledge that Solas considered that - and more! - to be an acceptable sacrifice. He won't be pursuing Solas in the name of justice as he is trying to save him from himself. And if they find Solas and discover that he is still hell bent on ending the world, then they'll have to stop him any way they can.

 

I love the fact that this game gave us so many thoughts, reactions and options in reacting to Solas and his revelations, and I thought "Trespasser" did this pretty well. We are given the chances to go after Solas with a big or small organization, to pursue him to the death, or -- more interesting to me -- to take our companionship (or romance) at face value and simply attempt to change his mind. I do not think Solas is a villain. I think he is hampered by his own viewpoint/blinders. But in front of my Quizzies, he has not actually committed a crime and has in fact saved her. So I feel comfortable in most scenarios trying to save him, and (more importantly) in trying to change his mind and save the world.

 

We did it once. We showed him that this age is not hopelessly corrupt. That the memories of the elvhen linger even if imperfectly. We reminded him that we can do good things. We reminded him that our companions -- and this world's people -- matter.

 

We can do it again.

[RainySmiles]

I really enjoyed reading about other's choices and how they justified their character's decision.

However, I am still torn. In my first playthrough I didn't pay much thoughts on which decision Sora (my elf mage) would make, I just choose what felt right in that moment. Now in my 2nd playthrough I started thinking a lot more about what he would do but it's still really difficult since I still haven't quite figured his personality and attitude out I also always forget to consider certain important aspects... Anyway, in my first playthrough I didn't disband the Inquisition (thumbs up option on the left).
Now I still have to make that decision in my current playthrough. And this are the thoughts I came up with:
- although the Lavellan Clan has more or less been on good terms with humans, Sora finally wants to return to his family & clan and leave the politics and intrigues and everything behind him (he's tired and thinks that it's alright to lay down this enormous responsibility by now)
- When mother Giselle asked him about the Inquisition's future, he really thought it's job was done
- Now at the end of trespasser Sora must cope with having discovered that everything the Dalish believed in/tried to keep in their memory is more or less wrong/ that their gods aren't gods + the (awful) truth about Solas and having lost his arm
- Josephine tried really hard to defend the Inquisition, but he doesn't want to anger Ferelden
- But now the Solas-problem made it's appearance and although the corruption inside the Inquisition hit him quite hard (because he was a little naïve thinking that everyone there could be trusted) he doesn't think they will be able to stop and most of all save Solas without the rest of their treaties and alliances (they kept some of them, right? Because they still are the Inquisition, only much smaller? Or do they have to count on what support the chantry can provide? Jeez, I guess we won't know until DA4 comes out. I had so much hope for the E3 T.T), especially because so many elves joined Solas
-> and if they are only a small group/no official organization that could cause a lot of Problems if they try to interfere with Solas plans and on top of that in the Tevinter Imperium, right?
-> besides Sora is not a great fan of the Chantry although Leliana is quite cool as the Divine...
- I don't know if Bull will be betraying him again, if that's the case you can probably forget everything I just wrote, although I think it's logical. But if that's the case the Inquisition will most probably be disbanding, corruption was marginal(?), but betrayed by one of his companions? (He didn't trust the Bull completely, but still...) He definitely would want to only continue with the few people he could really trust (Oh, is that doubt lingering there?), besides he really is tired of & fed up with being Inquisitor

-> it could be an opportunity to start over after everything that happened 
- Actually I wanted to stick to the not-disbanding option again, but with another feeling this time. Mostly because of the reasons mentioned above (a small group that tries to interfere with nation's affairs... Illegal + a lot of problems. Probably no corruption, but still...). But now I just don't know what's the most likely decision Sora would make, because maybe the reasons for continuing as a small group are more important to him. And that's how it is *sigh* Sorry for writing a whole novel here... But I wanted to share this... I don't want you to tell me what to do, since you know even less about Sora than me but I needed to share my conflict. Another thing that just came to my mind: I hope the Inquisitor will be integrated more than Hawke as a prior protagonist. (I didn't have such a connection with Hawke like I do with Sora since I didn't play DA2, but...) Because if it will only be like with Hawke I'm spending way too many thoughts on this...

 

Edit: The more I read the more I'm torn...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I disband and say that I'll redeem Solas. I don't trust the Inquisition being folded into the Chantry and ultimately think that goes against my entire reason for being a part of it. I don't trust the Chantry and don't support either their belief system or approach to social policy. I put Leliana in power to change that, but still don't believe future Divines and those under them won't corrupt the original purpose of the Inquisition beyond recognition. The Seekers and the Templars were both incredibly corrupt and dangerous groups. I don't want to give the Chantry back that armed force just under a new name so it can go down the same road. I trust Leliana and I want her to succeed, but I don't trust the Chantry overall enough to put that weight behind them for generations to come.  

 

I really believe Solas is a decent person at his core and that he wants to do the right thing, but I think he's conflicted about what that is. He broke the world as he knew it while trying to save it and he woke up in the ruins. I understand that must be incredibly traumatizing. He wants to put things back the way they were, which I understand and would probably also want to do if I were him. I hope we'll get the option, if not as the Inquisitor than as the next PC, or the one after that, to talk this through with Solas and come to a compromise. Hearing out what literally, not figuratively, happens if you bring down the veil, I might even back him up on it. Overall, I think Solas is an interesting character and very unlike the cartoon villain that Corypheus was. I hope they don't ultimately make him into that. 

 

So, basically, I saw keeping the Inquisition as a small, underground force as the best way to accomplish my goals. I'd rather continue operating covertly and with a small number of people that could be more easily screened than to allow the Chantry to direct our action. My character would want to continue operating as an outside force that could be prepared to act against any troublesome group when needed, without relying on the approval of the Chantry, especially considering the Chantry is one of the most prone to corruption of any major group in Thedas. The idea is to set up the Inquisition as something that can last in the way it was meant to be, a group that isn't beholden to anyone and that will move against anyone without the usual bureaucracy and interconnected politics getting in the way. The Inquisition had to get too big to maintain that during the Breach and it was time to scale back, but not to hand over the keys to the castle.  

[Dai Grepher]

My original post still stands, but there is some allure to disbanding. It's a way of showing Solas that power can be walked away from. It also demonstrates that if the Inquisition can't be run right, the way the Inquisitor wants to run it, then it should end.

However, I think BioWare wanted the Inquisition to end so that it wouldn't have to account for it anymore in future games. So I think keeping the Inquisition around just to get at them is worth it. As far as story goes, again, disbanding is like admitting defeat to Solas, like you can't play chess on his level or something.

Furthermore, I think having the Inquisition around as a tool or as a distraction while the Inquisitor moves in the shadows is a better strategy. Also, it's the only logical option for a human mage, especially one who reestablished the Circles. It would be hypocritical to tell other mages to live under the Circles, but then that mage goes out into the world with his freedom to act under no authority but his own. If he were to disband, his own philosophy would demand that he return to the Ostwick Circle. But if he remains as Inquisitor, he answers directly to the Divine, much like a Seeker does. So he does place himself under Chantry authority in that case.

As for the options, they still all suck, however the sad options sound pathetic and admit defeat, while the angry options sound whiny and like tantrums. The thumbs-up options are the only ones that have the right sound to them, like noble and inspiring. The problem is that both contain things that aren't exactly true. The disband option claims you accomplished the goal of finding those responsible for the Breach, implying that you would bring them to justice. Solas is the main culprit, and remains free, and is plotting more death and destruction. The option to keep the Inquisition is correct in that their work is not yet done. However, the Inquisitor says that his own adventuring days may be done, implying that they are done, but the Inquisition and its mission will continue. This seems like a lie in some respects, because he knows he will still go on adventures, even if he isn't as effective as before. This could just be the Inquisitor assuming that he won't be of much use, but I still don't like how it was phrased. He should have said, "My own adventuring role is... uncertain, but the Inquisition and its mission will continue."

[Tidus]

My  first game is history and the Inquisition lives on answerable only  to Divine Victoria(Cassandra). There's a storm coming and all of Thedas will sit on their hands hoping somebody will save them.

[phoray]

My first PT was a Trevelyan circle reformist with a hardened Leliana as Divine that never wanted to lead a massive organization. When Teagan explained the political situation of what that Organization I'd been leading had been up to (seriously? We just kept all that land like it was ours?) She was in total agreement that is should disband. Then it turns out the whole mess w as filled with spies. And that Teagan is a jerk. And she got very grumpy that she was trying to be a hero while they held fancy pants court on Jose; and disbanded Angrily to redeem Solas, her friend who has guided her the whole game until he went AWAL.

My Solasmance Elf Mage will probably also disband, but probably sadly, because she wanted to use the Inquisition for the betterment of the elves in Orlais and Ferelden. And save her lover from himself. I think.

My Trevelyan rogue atheists. will not disband. She trusts Cassandra aka Divine Victoria implicitly. Due to this close relationship, she knows it's just a formality to say it's under Chantry rule. Maybe a few more limits, but oh well. Besides, the might of the Inquisition is needed to maintain the power balance of the Gaspard/Celene/Briala combo she left in power. She was not close friends with Solas, but considering she's in love with Blackwall, she has a forgiving mentality and an openness to redemption attempts. She will probably try to redeem Solas.

[Ghost Gal]

I disbanded with the upbeat option. We formed the Inquisition to close the Breach, restore order, investigate the Divine's death, and bring those responsible to justice. We accomplished that, so there's no point in sticking around.

 

After that, my Dalish mage is off to save her beloved from himself, and hopefully help her people in the process instead of becoming the Chantry's personal attack force.

[Gervaise]

I discovered an interesting paragraph in the Dragon Age Core Rulebook that was issued in 2015 concerning Ferelden.   It states that "The primary purpose of Ferelden nobility is to fight for their people against all threats - human, darkspawn or otherwise".     It is their "job".    "They do not own the land".   They may have small holdings of their own, like the area around their keeps but the majority of the land is possessed by freeholders, who are the patrons of the nobles.   So if a group of freeholders are dissatisfied with the protection being given to them by their local bann, they are perfectly entitled to give it to someone else.

 

In the light of this I stand by the comments I made about the nobility of Ferelden, who are conspicuous in their absence when it comes to protecting their freeholders from the various dangers we encounter in DAI in the Hinterlands and Crestwood.    With respect to Caer Bronach, whoever was the Bann responsible for maintaining the Keep and protecting the surrounding lands, had clearly failed in their duty even without the presence of the rift in the lake.    Care Bronach was occupied by normal bandits that any Bann worth their salt should have dealt with.   Since no one had troubled themselves, the freeholders of Crestwood were perfectly entitled to give their allegiance elsewhere, in fact to the Inquisitor and the Inquisition as they had fulfilled their obligations in occupying Caer Bronach, driving out the bandits and dealing with other dangers that were threatening them.     So when Teagan started criticising us for outstaying out welcome, I would have been perfectly within my rights in the traditions of Ferelden, in suggesting the matter be put to the villagers of Crestwood to decide.

 

That has always been my chief annoyance in how Trespasser works out.    The nobility of Ferelden abandoned their duty towards the citizens that should have been traditionally under their care, yet no option is made to appeal to all those people in the Hinterlands and Crestwood who had been placed "under the protection of the Inquisition" and had prospered as a result.   

[Tidus]

Gervaise, Good point.. As I mention I kept my Inquisition in tact because the nobility fail to protect the refugees and the nobles  can raise Armies but,choose not to help. Should another crises araise my Inquisition will be ready to respond under the Divines orders.

 

Besides I wouldn't give Orlais, Ferelden or Teagan  the pleasure of seeing us disband not after saving them.