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[Dantriges]

Perhaps the writers wanted to imply that the strength of the Reaper is probably based on the base material or so.  

[Iakus]

Every single human in the galaxy stopped sciencing just because relays?
 

They were essentially trained to see mass effect fields as the be-all, end-all of these areas of science.  So in that case, yes.  In a sense they came to believe it was "turtles all the way down"

 

 

 

The Reapers say all kinds of ****. Most of it is nonsense. Remember when Sovereign told Shepard that the cycles are too far beyond our tiny organic minds to comprehend? Yeah, total BS.
Why are you acting like the Reapers are the be all, end all and omnipotent?

 

YOu still haven't shown me where I said that.  WHy the hostility?

 

 

 

Really? So it's not just humans that stop sciencing because relays, it's everyone except the Reapers?
 

Yes.  Everyone's tech is pretty much the same, within a given spread of advancement.

 

THough I'd say the geth may not be as subject to this problem, as they recognized the threat of the Reapers earlier than most organics.

 

 

 

How did the Keepers get reprogrammed to stop letting the Reapers through? Was that part of the Reapers' trajectory for our development? How did the Crucible come to be? Was that part of the Reapers' trajectory for our development?
Your argument has no merit.

 

According to VIgil, a dozen top researchers from the Ilos facility spent decades working on the Keeper problem after the Reapers left.

 

As for the Crucible "You would not know them, and there is no time to explain"  So, yeah, handwave.

[themikefest]

Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire  

I like to know what paths the civilizations followed before the relays were built? How long were the cycles before the relays were built? How many cycles were there before the relays were built? How long has the 50 000 year cycle been happening?

[Killroy]

They were essentially trained to see mass effect fields as the be-all, end-all of these areas of science.  So in that case, yes.  In a sense they came to believe it was "turtles all the way down"

But we know that not everyone just stops advancing. I gave cogent examples that disprove your assertion.
 

YOu still haven't shown me where I said that.  WHy the hostility?

You mean where you said that anything any cycle could come up with is already at the Reaper's disposal?

And if it's such a small step for the current cycle, then why don't the Reapers use it?  WHy do they use relays at all?

I understand that the relays were built as part of the trap for the younger races to follow. 
SO, why would the Reapers bother with them, if they have superior toys to play with?

Right there. If your assertion isn't that anything that can be created has already been created by the Reapers then you have no argument to make. And if that is your argument then you're making a stupid argument.
 

Yes.  Everyone's tech is pretty much the same, within a given spread of advancement.

You mean aside from the Protheans with their sensory-interface technology and ability to alter the Keepers? And the numerous races that came up with and perfected the Crucible?
 

According to VIgil, a dozen top researchers from the Ilos facility spent decades working on the Keeper problem after the Reapers left.

A few decades. Why can't anyone else in the galaxy innovate in the potential thousands of years they have after discovering the relays? You invalidated your own argument.
 

As for the Crucible "You would not know them, and there is no time to explain"  So, yeah, handwave.

So just ignore it because it completely counters your argument?

[Iakus]

But we know that not everyone just stops advancing. I gave cogent examples that disprove your assertion.
 

Really?  THey never even bothered to build their own relays, let alone work on intergalactic travel.

 

 

 

You mean where you said that anything any cycle could come up with is already at the Reaper's disposal?

WHich is not the same as saying Reapers are omnipotent.  WHat I am saying is the Reapers could go wherever anyone from this cycl could go, since all ftl technology they have is based on Reaper tech, and Reapers are far more advanced at it.

 

 

 

Right there. If your assertion isn't that anything that can be created has already been created by the Reapers then you have no argument to make. And if that is your argument then you're making a stupid argument.

Anything using mass effect technology, yes.  

 

 

 

You mean aside from the Protheans with their sensory-interface technology and ability to alter the Keepers? And the numerous races that came up with and perfected the Crucible?
A few decades. Why can't anyone else in the galaxy innovate in the potential thousands of years they have after discovering the relays? You invalidated your own argument.
So just ignore it because it completely counters your argument?

Given time away from Reaper influence, like the Prothean researchers, sure. 

 

But where are they gonna find that during the war?  And what reason would they have to bother before the war?  Remember how Matriarch Aethyta suggested the asari build their own relays and "they laughed the blue off my *ss"?  And that's just copying known technology.

[o Ventus]

Unless they're asari, as you note later. So pack everyone else into stasis and let asari fly the ship.

 

Okay, now imagine never leaving your house (because you will die horribly if you do) for half your life without going insane.

 

Still, nobody is even challenging my earlier post. Does not a single person have any kind of rebuttal?

[The Hierophant]

Okay, now imagine never leaving your house (because you will die horribly if you do) for half your life without going insane.

They'll fly that ship into the nearest white star.

[AlanC9]

Okay, now imagine never leaving your house (because you will die horribly if you do) for half your life without going insane.

People survive decades in prison. It's tough, but doable.

As for the earlier post... what was in it, again?

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Okay, now imagine never leaving your house (because you will die horribly if you do) for half your life without going insane.

 

Still, nobody is even challenging my earlier post. Does not a single person have any kind of rebuttal?

 

It wasn't really a rebuttal, but (and of course this would stretch credibility in the setting, but I'm not too concerned with that as I mentioned) I posited, not for the first time I'm sure, a giant ship - massive, massive ship, not on the scale of the citadel, but not too far off - with something like its own biosphere, that could support the generations of shorter lived species that would live and die on the trip. The sort of thing could even serve the same hub purpose as citadel, only mobile.

 

It's a little ridiculous, but it's what I envision when I think of how its going to be done. Probably there are ways they could stretch the lore to accommodate something like that.

[o Ventus]

People survive decades in prison. It's tough, but doable.

 

People in prison also get at least some kind of leisure time available to themselves. If you're flying a ship, you need to be at attention, especially when the road trip is almost 2/3 a millennium long.

 

Decades in prison is also a fair bit different than centuries.

[AlanC9]

People in prison also get at least some kind of leisure time available to themselves. If you're flying a ship, you need to be at attention, especially when the road trip is almost 2/3 a millennium long.
 
Decades in prison is also a fair bit different than centuries.

I don't see these as being insoluble problems.

Are you saying that generation ships are inherently unworkable?

[Killroy]

People in prison also get at least some kind of leisure time available to themselves. If you're flying a ship, you need to be at attention, especially when the road trip is almost 2/3 a millennium long.

Why wouldn't the crew get leisure time? Every crew of any vessel gets leisure time.
 

Decades in prison is also a fair bit different than centuries.

Not necessarily. Not to a species that can live for over 1,000 years.

[Iakus]

I don't see these as being insoluble problems.

Are you saying that generation ships are inherently unworkable?

Not unworkable.  But certainly difficult.  Extreme care would have to be taken in handling the crew's mental well-being as well as their descendants.  Heck it's been the topic of many a scifi story.

[Killdren88]

A Reaper is essentially "billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies." Each Reaper contains the memories and knowledge of the species that was used to make it. The ''goo'' is used to build the actual Reaper. So yeah, they actual preserve them.

Yeah....being vaporized is preferable to being thrown in a blender...