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[Undead Han]

One of the things that hurts the side quest NPCs most in DAI is that damn lack of cinematic camera. I just innately care less.

 

This!

[United Servo Academy Choir]

It is a huge retcon, traveling to other galaxies with FTL methods in the trilogy time frame is impossible since they'll have to discharge static build every 52 hours or so doing and it'll take them a few centuries to get to Andromeda. Unfortunately there are no planets to discharge it safely so the discharge will just fry the ship and crew and it also raises another problem.

 

If the galaxy is able to develop the means of traveling to other galaxies during the trilogy time frame, then the reaper's should've done it already in the billions of year's they've existed. Their mandate is to preserve all life and that mandate didn't specify a particular galaxy so the logical thing to do is expand that mandate to other galaxies.

 

Let's say Reapers don't need to discharge their drives. The ship is built on reverse engineered reaper technology. Great, whatever. I'm not the first one to say that. Maybe it's even legit. I don't remember, but after all the ridiculous nonsense of the latter two thirds of the trilogy, it's hard to care that much. It's a retcon that I'm happy to handwave away, if so. I imagine a great many other players will be as well.

 

In any event, good riddance to bad rubbish. The MW is damaged goods after ME2 and ME3, and I'm ecstatic to be leaving.

[Undead Han]

The only bit of tech that the galaxy would need to reverse engineer is the Reapers' ability to traverse great distances without refueling. The galaxy's ships already have the speed and cryosleep to make the journey, and the galaxy's space stations have on board equipment that enables them to static discharge while in space. Fuel is the only obstacle to getting to Andromeda, and the Reapers have already overcome that hurdle. The tech exists in universe.

 

The writers can go a couple different routes and come up with a plausible explanation for the galaxy developing this ability during the Reaper War. 

[TheChosenOne]

I don't really care what they do in this regard.
And I hate Destroy, even.

Ikr? At this point, all I want to shoot some guys and bang aliens

[Drone223]

Let's say Reapers don't need to discharge their drives. The ship is built on reverse engineered reaper technology. Great, whatever. I'm not the first one to say that. Maybe it's even legit. I don't remember, but after all the ridiculous nonsense of the latter two thirds of the trilogy, it's hard to care that much.

Reaper drive cores are more complicated than regular drive cores since they "break the all known laws of physics" there is now way it can be reversed engineered in a few months let alone two years. Then there's not getting indoctrinated which is easier said than done and the superstition of using reversed engineered reaper tech.

 

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It's a retcon that I'm happy to handwave away, if so. I imagine a great many other players will be as well.

 

In any event, good riddance to bad rubbish. The MW is damaged goods after ME2 and ME3, and I'm ecstatic to be leaving.

 

Don't get your hopes up Bioware doesn't have a good track record when it comes to retcons.

 

 

The only bit of tech that the galaxy would need to reverse engineer is the Reapers' ability to traverse great distances without refueling.

 

See my first comment regarding reversing engineering reaper tech. Even with reaper cores the journey would still take a few centuries and still require large amounts of fuel it'd still be a inefficient method of getting their.

 

The galaxy's ships already have the speed and cryosleep to make the journey, and the galaxy's space stations have on board equipment that enables them to static discharge while in space. Fuel is the only obstacle to getting to Andromeda, and the Reapers have already overcome that hurdle. The tech exists in universe.

 

If the species have already come up for a solution for dealing static build up then they would've already implemented a long time ago (and for that matter the reaper's since they don't want to have their systems fried). So its quite obvious that no such technology exist since they still have difficulty exploring the galaxy without the help of the mass relay's and therefore heavily reliant on the relay network to travel long distances.

 

The writers can go a couple different routes and come up with a plausible explanation for the galaxy developing this ability during the Reaper War.

 

Not without significant retcons or contrivances.

 

You can ignore Drone. He thinks he knows the plot of Andromeda and doesn't even try to be logical.

I never did claim to know its plot I'm just observant of Bioware's trends.
 

[AlanC9]

Reaper drive cores are more complicated than regular drive cores since they "break the all known laws of physics" there is now way it can be reversed engineered in a few months let alone two years.

This argument would be a lot more convincing if reverse-engineering a drive that violates the known laws of physics inside of two years wasn't already known to have happened in ME.
 

See my first comment regarding reversing engineering reaper tech. Even with reaper cores the journey would still take a few centuries and still require large amounts of fuel it'd still be a inefficient method of getting their.

Reaper drives need fuel?

[Drone223]

This argument would be a lot more convincing if reverse-engineering a drive that violates the known laws of physics inside of two years wasn't already known to have happened in ME.
 

Reaper drive cores are a lot more complex than the usual drive cores use for standard FTL IIRC.

 

Reaper power sources seem to violate known physical laws.

 

 

Reaper drives need fuel?

Had a look at the codex my bad.

[Dantriges]

Yeah they are powered by hordes of spacehamsters running in hamster wheels to charge up their capacitors. That´s the reason why they need to hibernate for 50.000 years, so the hamsters have enough time.

 

On a more serious note, they still need some source of energy or are they conjuring the necessary power to satisfy their energy needs out of thin space? 

[Sylvius the Mad]

I see no need for a retcon. I see no need to establish a canonical ending.

The science in ME is so absurd that it wouldn't take much to insert some previous unknown tech into it to make Ark Theory work.

[Drone223]

I see no need for a retcon. I see no need to establish a canonical ending.

The science in ME is so absurd that it wouldn't take much to insert some previous unknown tech into it to make Ark Theory work.

Problem with that (and ark theory in general) is that it comes of as being way too contrived/convenient. Wormhole theory while still it opening its own can of worms does to its credit however stays consistent with the established technology of the trilogy.

[Ahriman]

Yeah they are powered by hordes of spacehamsters running in hamster wheels to charge up their capacitors. That´s the reason why they need to hibernate for 50.000 years, so the hamsters have enough time.

 

On a more serious note, they still need some source of energy or are they conjuring the necessary power to satisfy their energy needs out of thin space? 

Bioware went full Machine God on them for some reason. At first they didn't need to discharge, but in ME3 they established that Reapers don't even need fuel. They don't gather resources and magic of Baby Reaper Heart powers entire Cerberus base.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Problem with that (and ark theory in general) is that it comes of as being way too contrived/convenient. Wormhole theory on the other hand is not much of an improvement since it opens its own can of worms but does however stay consistent with the established technology of the trilogy.

Ark Theory can also stay consistent by exploiting one of the many gaps in the existing technobabe, and it has the further advantage of having been foreshadowed.

[Battlebloodmage]

Why would making a sequel for an ending means the other options are noncanon? ME2 could have everyone died and we just follows the endings assuming that Shepard survived. Shepard's death in ME2 could be a canon ending since we can't import it. The other endings could still happen but they just happen to follow the ending of Destroy. 

[Drone223]

Ark Theory can also stay consistent by exploiting one of the many gaps in the existing technobabe,

It can't since the lore clearly states that ships can't go several days in FTL without discharging the core no such technology exist in the trilogy time frame that enables constant FTL without the need to discharge static build up.

 

and it has the further advantage of having been foreshadowed.

 

I wouldn't call one single vague line of dialogue in a 30-40 hour game foreshadowing especially since they never considered the idea during ME3's development. If the trip to Andromeda takes happens a few centuries after the reaper war then I might have an easier time believing that the galaxy has developed the means to travel to other galaxies since there would be a significant amount of technological development.

[PhroXenGold]

Explaining the possibility and probability that the exodus to Andromeda is going to happen prior to the end of ME3 with the events of MEA taking place significantly later due to the time it takes to travel between galaxies, thus avoiding the mess that is the endings all together, is getting a little tedious. 

 

Besides, Refusal would make for the best canon ending going into Andromeda.

 

Yeah, if they were to canonise an ending, Refuse would seem to be the one best suited to ME:A's setup. After Shep tells the creepy kid to go screw himself, the Reapers have won, but it will take them decades, maybe longer to completely eliminate all remaining organic resistance. In this time, a secret project, likely using recovered, reverse-engineered Reaper tech assembles an arkship for the last of our people to flee the galaxy.

 

But in the end, I don't really care what they do with regards the endings. As long as ME:A gets the feel of ME right, both in terms of the setting and the style of game,  and it is enjoyable to play, I'm happy. A clean slate is perfectly fine in my book.

[Dantriges]

Bioware went full Machine God on them for some reason. At first they didn't need to discharge, but in ME3 they established that Reapers don't even need fuel. They don't gather resources and magic of Baby Reaper Heart powers entire Cerberus base.

 

I slowly get the feeling that if I wrote ME fanfiction and replace the Reapers with the guys in my magitech RPG homebrew, flying spaceships through astral space, it would be more plausible. Or more honest at least. 

[LeicsFox]

agreed, without destroy the universe would be just to different

 

 

but honestly who didn't choose destroy 

[In Exile]

It is a huge retcon, traveling to other galaxies with FTL methods in the trilogy time frame is impossible since they'll have to discharge static build every 52 hours or so doing and it'll take them a few centuries to get to Andromeda. Unfortunately there are no planets to discharge it safely so the discharge will just fry the ship and crew and it also raises another problem.

If the galaxy is able to develop the means of traveling to other galaxies during the trilogy time frame, then the reaper's should've done it already in the billions of year's they've existed. Their mandate is to preserve all life and that mandate didn't specify a particular galaxy so the logical thing to do is expand that mandate to other galaxies.

This is a comical logic fail. The reapers are incompetent. They couldn't even build the Crucible in billions of years. Their mandate is applied in a manner that can only be described as incoherent gibberish. There's no obstacle to some as yet unseen precursor tech taking people to Andromeda. Or a wormhole, which may be naturally occurring phenomena.

[Chealec]

agreed, without destroy the universe would be just to different

 

 

but honestly who didn't choose destroy 

 

I'm not 100% sure that I have... I think I've played through 3 times and done:

 

1: Control

2: Refuse

3: Refuse so completely I stopped playing after the Citadel DLC so that I wouldn't have to just shoot the starbrat again.

[Ahriman]

3: Refuse so completely I stopped playing after the Citadel DLC so that I wouldn't have to just shoot the starbrat again.

Wise choice, Shepard.

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[Sylvius the Mad]

It can't since the lore clearly states that ships can't go several days in FTL without discharging the core no such technology exist in the trilogy time frame that enables constant FTL without the need to discharge static build up.

Using known technology.

1. The Salarians or Asari could have had a secret research project.

2. Given that the series already relies on found tech, perhaps new tech was discovered serendipitously.

3. A benevolent alien race exists that bootstraps anyone bold enough to venture into the intergalactic void.

I thought of those in 10 seconds. Don't be so quick to assume that the writers can't invent a viable solution.

I wouldn't call one single vague line of dialogue in a 30-40 hour game foreshadowing especially since they never considered the idea during ME3's development.

That's how foreshadowing works. I once saw foreshadowing in a documentary (Anvil! The Story of Anvil). It doesn't need to be planned or intended to be there.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Problem with that (and ark theory in general) is that it comes of as being way too contrived/convenient. Wormhole theory while still it opening its own can of worms does to its credit however stays consistent with the established technology of the trilogy.

 

If we're regarding MEA as more or less a "reboot" of the series (I don't know where you fall on the subject, but it seems Bioware is at least), then I don't really see any huge issue with a few contrivances or minor retcons to kick the thing off. Hell, put it in an alternate universe, no references to the original trilogy whatsoever, I'm happy. It'll be a fresh start, which is what we need.

[7twozero]

Keep swinging those sticks everyone, I hear if you keep beating a dead horse long enough it magically comes back to life.

[78stonewobble]

Uhm personally? Canon destroy, shep lives... 

 

But in all honesty, don't care... Some references of just like old times... just like in the old times... but beyond that, let's agree to disagree there and move on. Let's look forward, not backwards. 

[Killroy]

I never did claim to know its plot I'm just observant of Bioware's trends.

I notice you removed the bit where you denied being illogical. Finally being honest with yourself, eh?