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[Quintinw]

How about we all just get 30x XP for everyone so the tears can flow once more?

 

 

 

And so i can come back into this game pls

[JAMiAM]

The difference between leaving and rejoining a match and the double XP glitch: you aren't supposed to be able to trick the game into giving you double XP.

The game does nothing to stop you from leaving and rejoining.

I guess you can say it's not sporting. But the game doesn't prohibit it in any fashion.

You're not supposed to trick the game into giving you infinite lives/potions, either.  It's an exploit, and a cheat, plain and simple.  How one rationalizes its use, or chooses to use it, is an individual choice.  However, it is one that I do not use, as a point of honor - win or fail.

[JAMiAM]

On topic.

 

At best it's circumcising the rules.

 

Spoiler

inb4 "it's circumventing you tool" , but I know what I mean

Your sarcasm is hard on those with thinned skin.

[Carbon_Bishop]

Your sarcasm is hard on those with thinned fore skin.

 

FTFY

[JAMiAM]

My point there was so many are calling it a cheat with no opinion on how to solve the problem.

I listed my opinion on this about a month ago.  Re-entering players come back in with their number of potions where they were when they exited, and in the fade, if the other players are still in the same zone.  Number of previous downs needs to be tracked across re-entry, as well.  There.  Now, there is zero benefit to re-entering games for the purpose of exploiting, and we still have the possibility to ameliorate unintended disconnects.

 

It really isn't that hard.

[Jay P]

I listed my opinion on this about a month ago.  Re-entering players come back in with their number of potions where they were when they exited, and in the fade, if the other players are still in the same zone.  Number of previous downs needs to be tracked across re-entry, as well.  There.  Now, there is zero benefit to re-entering games for the purpose of exploiting, and we still have the possibility to ameliorate unintended disconnects.

 

It really isn't that hard.

 

Not that hard to conceptualize?

 

Or not that hard to code.

 

Those tend to be different things...

[JAMiAM]

Not that hard to conceptualize?

 

Or not that hard to code.

 

Those tend to be different things...

True.  I should have been more specific.

[ParthianShotX]

Well, since we tend to deal mainly with concepts here (without regard to their feasibility whatsoever), the answer fits right in.

[ParthianShotX]

Your sarcasm is hard on those with thinned skin.

 

Let the huBRIS commence

 

Edit to add:  I don't think I'll be as good at this as Dieb was.

[JAMiAM]

Let the huBRIS commence

 

Edit to add:  I don't think I'll be as good at this as Dieb was.

I'd love to get started on another pun run, but it really hurts when I have to cut it off.

[ParthianShotX]

that's a fine line you cut with your thinking then

[JAMiAM]

that's a fine line you cut with your thinking then

It's a form of circular logic, I admit.

[sonofbarak]

How to define "levels of difficult you good at" for everyone? similar to how far below the belt is consider rule violation?

the developer/publisher does not make it clear so you can draw the line yourself, for me adding few more deaths/rejoin to compensate

for imperfection in network condition/ group makeup. Dont tell me you have never rejoined a game after a crash to desktop.

 

The developer's did make it clear. Its called Routine, Threating, Perilous, Nightmare and Heartbreaker. One of those you will find you do not need to rejoin to get an complete

I had rejoin an game by no fault of my own. Doing it on purpose is another issue.
 

[ParthianShotX]

It's a form of circular logic, I admit.

 

 

yeah

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not feeling it.  

 

In the meantime, I suggest you erect a monument to your thinking; place it in a roundabout where everyone is sure to see it.

[GenSheng]

The developer's did make it clear. Its called Routine, Threating, Perilous, Nightmare and Heartbreaker. One of those you will find you do not need to rejoin to get an complete

I had rejoin an game by no fault of my own. Doing it on purpose is another issue.
 

see, this after all is just opinion of majority to define cheating like a lot of trending subjects. It's clear for you, not for me though no written rules, no mechanics to prevent someone to play higher difficulty.

 

it's funny, "no fault of my own" is a blaming phase, seen that before; similar to die a lot because rusty with this kit, bad designed kit, lag, etc. If not your fault is not cheating then cheater just claims innocent and blames on.

 

Me, i just have fun playing game, bend the rule a little is okay. I wouldn't stay death watching lego soloing 1/2 hp dragon, rejoining is okay.

[ParthianShotX]

see, this after all is just opinion of majority to define cheating like a lot of trending subjects. It's clear for you, not for me though no written rules, no mechanics to prevent someone to play higher difficulty.

 

it's funny, "no fault of my own" is a blaming phase, seen that before; similar to die a lot because rusty with this kit, bad designed kit, lag, etc. If not your fault is not cheating then cheater just claims innocent and blames on.

 

Me, i just have fun playing game, bend the rule a little is okay. I wouldn't stay death watching lego soloing 1/2 hp dragon, rejoining is okay.

 

limp argument.  the serious exploit was allowed to pass.

[HelenCarnate]

Add my name to the list of people willing to leave and get re-invited in order to increase odds of finishing HB.  How does that affect anyone else?

[zambingo]

Seems the core issue is the leaderboard being stacked with "cheaters". In that light I have never understood why a leaderboard exists with a co-op game, but then again Game Developer isn't on my resume, I just play the games.

[HelenCarnate]

From the stories I hear from my friends on the leader boards getting constant invites from strangers to join their group, Im not sure I would want to be on the boards.

[ruggie]

So say bob did xp from 50 to 60 con then sally did this leaving bs to get 50 points who's got more points? Lol. The xp as far as I saw was used by some but not abused (by most ps3) but this leaving bs is like the way to play. I just wanted some ban wagoneer to explain why they didnt cheat for xp but theyll cheat for xp...

[TheThirdRace]

see, this after all is just opinion of majority to define cheating like a lot of trending subjects. It's clear for you, not for me though no written rules, no mechanics to prevent someone to play higher difficulty.
 
it's funny, "no fault of my own" is a blaming phase, seen that before; similar to die a lot because rusty with this kit, bad designed kit, lag, etc. If not your fault is not cheating then cheater just claims innocent and blames on.
 
Me, i just have fun playing game, bend the rule a little is okay. I wouldn't stay death watching lego soloing 1/2 hp dragon, rejoining is okay.

Don't bother, they're on a witch hunt.

With their twisted view of what is a "cheater", it could be argued that rejoining during the 4 MONTHS of the key bug glitch was a cheat because Bioware clearly didn't intend you to complete a match at that time. Those that host-migrated to respawn the key and rejoined their match afterward were benefiting from an unfair advantage: having people on their friend list. People with no one on their friend list couldn't possibly make friends and rejoin their match that way, they effectively lost all their progress and you should totally get perma-banned for having friends while they don't!

As I said, twisted view of bored people out for blood. No amount of logic or rational discussion is ever gonna make them change their dogma. They'll never blame Bioware for their broken challenge system or their broken XP system or their promotion system that breaks everything or whatever else they're gonna find to complain about next week. It's always gonna be somebody else's fault... But what am I saying, of course it's everybody else's fault! They are the pinnacle of morality, they hold the ultimate truth, how could it be their view that is misguided. Not a snowball chance in hell they're wrong and they're gonna be the ones to enlighten you by doing everything in their power to get you perma-banned.
 
Those 50 challenge points for Heartbreaker are freaking serious business man! It's not like the righteous men of this world could also complete that challenge and negate any "advantage" you hold on them. It's certainly not like being banned for playing 5 Heartbreaker games within the established rules would be a bit abusive either...

 

It seems a lot of people think they're still in the Single Player campaign, they took their role as the Inquisitor a bit too seriously...

[Jack Black]

You also can add here that using exploits and cheats is ok because BW itself wrote bad code and made such cheats available.

[JAMiAM]

You also can add here that using exploits and cheats is ok because BW itself wrote bad code and made such cheats available.

By that logic, it is okay to go into your local supermarket and steal bread, because they didn't put razor wire around the bakery section, didn't frisk you when you left the store, they're going to throw it out in a week when it expires anyhow, you're hungry, your mommy's hungry, you've got two starving kids to feed, and your boss doesn't pay you enough. 

 

Cheaters will always find any rationale to justify in their minds what they already know is against the intent of the design, not clearly stated in 'the rules' or just to their momentary advantage.  Two wrongs don't make a right, and BioWare's failure to address the problem, both in the forums and other media, as well as in rectifying the exploit, shouldn't be taken as carte blanche to take advantage of it.  If BioWare states that this is an intended use of the exploit, I will gladly go along with its abuse, even if I personally think that it is (would be) a crappy decision and poor game design.  This is not because I will suddenly feel good about it, but rather because then, they will have clearly stated their intent, and *that* is the final arbiter of whether, or not, the exploit is 'against the rules'.

[Silversmurf]

This forum is getting depressing again.

[JAMiAM]

Don't bother, they're on a witch hunt.

With their twisted view of what is a "cheater", it could be argued that rejoining during the 4 MONTHS of the key bug glitch was a cheat because Bioware clearly didn't intend you to complete a match at that time. Those that host-migrated to respawn the key and rejoined their match afterward were benefiting from an unfair advantage: having people on their friend list. People with no one on their friend list couldn't possibly make friends and rejoin their match that way, they effectively lost all their progress and you should totally get perma-banned for having friends while they don't!

As I said, twisted view of bored people out for blood. No amount of logic or rational discussion is ever gonna make them change their dogma. They'll never blame Bioware for their broken challenge system or their broken XP system or their promotion system that breaks everything or whatever else they're gonna find to complain about next week. It's always gonna be somebody else's fault... But what am I saying, of course it's everybody else's fault! They are the pinnacle of morality, they hold the ultimate truth, how could it be their view that is misguided. Not a snowball chance in hell they're wrong and they're gonna be the ones to enlighten you by doing everything in their power to get you perma-banned.
 
Those 50 challenge points for Heartbreaker are freaking serious business man! It's not like the righteous men of this world could also complete that challenge and negate any "advantage" you hold on them. It's certainly not like being banned for playing 5 Heartbreaker games within the established rules would be a bit abusive either...

 

It seems a lot of people think they're still in the Single Player campaign, they took their role as the Inquisitor a bit too seriously...

Wow...someone taking the accusation of cheating a little personally?  I've played with many of the players on the PC leader board over the last 10+ months, and I've personally witnessed at least half of them who have, at some time or another, taken advantage of this exploit, the x2 gold exploit, the x2 XP exploit, and the old drop out on Zone 5 and reenter with a level one character when there is a single enemy left so that you can insta-level the level one toon.  I'm not saying that these people are necessarily bad people, but many of them have cheated, and exploited, their way into the positions they occupy on the leader board, and into their highly promoted, highly geared conditions.  To deny this is foolish, and to rationalize it...childish.