Well, Eamon has been his "advisor" aka puppeteer the whole time, also, it's ok people likes Alistair but let's not deny the truth, he has never been a good person, no one on that family has.
Technically he's not part of that family. Alistair isn't related to either Eamon or Teagan. They were Caillen's uncles on his mother's side.
Technically he's not part of that family. Alistair isn't related to either Eamon or Teagan. They were Caillen's uncles on his mother's side.
I had sort of mixed feelings on Teagan in Trespasser.
On the one hand, I thought his position on the Wardens was unexpectedly extreme because Alistair and the HoF ruled together at the end of DA:O (in my game at least)...it seemed a tad illogical to me, given the family relations there. However, the Wardens did turn to demons and were unwittingly part of Corypheus's plans in DA:I just two years ago. Now I ultimately gave the DA:I Wardens the chance to redeem themselves (and as Cyril pointed out, they've made up for things), so yes, they basically joined the Inquisition in DA:I when I chose to spare them.
Furthermore, these DA:I Wardens actually were Orlesian Wardens, which I suppose someone like Teagan might view as being an extension of the Orlesian Empire - and you know touchy Fereldans are about Orlais and invasion and probably any hint of political influence. At that point, I was like, well, I can kind of see how Teagan might take that poorly.
On top of that, I think he's probably extra touchy after what happened with the mages in Redcliffe. The mages were invited in to take refuge/have a semi-safe haven in (by Ali-bear, no less), but what happens? Fiona makes a honking huge error in judgment that allows Alexius to swoop in and boot Teagan out of Redcliffe. If you were deposed by an outside force that included nasty Tevinter mages, you might still be a bit touchy about potentially being usurped again in the future. Also, given that my Inquisitor is a mage, I can see it exacerbating his concerns/fears.
I was hoping he'd be more moderate and more rational, but I don't hate Teagan for freaking out. At any rate, I definitely agree about the hat probably making him grumpier than he might otherwise be, heh.
Took some time and made this comparison pic thingy.
He looks the same to me. Same nose, same mouth. It's the damn hat that makes him so unappealing. Plus, he aged.
I'm more offended that he got pretty much beat down with the ugly stick. Am now eternally grateful neither Zevran nor Fenris made an appearance in DAI...
Never understood the love for those two. Zevran is a creepy perv and Fenris one step removed from a homicidal maniac.
And yes to the ugly stick. I don't recognise Tegan in Trespasser at all. Sure, he's had a **** time but he's one foot in the grave from the latest we see of him.
Never understood the love for those two. Zevran is a creepy perv and Fenris one step removed from a homicidal maniac.
And yes to the ugly stick. I don't recognise Tegan in Trespasser at all. Sure, he's had a **** time but he's one foot in the grave from the latest we see of him.
LMAO! I almost choked on my Fruit Loops.
I think its the hat that keeps me from seeing Teagan. Gawd its ugly. Looks like a pair of depends wadded up and tossed on his head.
Took some time and made this comparison pic thingy.
Sadly, the men in Ferelden age like the crops in their fields;
DAO: Sowing wild oats.
DA2: More cultivated.
DAI: Gone to seed.
Never understood the love for those two. Zevran is a creepy perv and Fenris one step removed from a homicidal maniac.
And yes to the ugly stick. I don't recognise Tegan in Trespasser at all. Sure, he's had a **** time but he's one foot in the grave from the latest we see of him.
lol Why comment on how much you dislike other people's favorite characters? 
Why...?
lol Why comment on how much you dislike other people's favorite characters?
Um, because I thought you disliked them, hence my comment? If not, then apologies. I misunderstood your post.
He maybe is not bound by blood, but he was raised with them, he sees them as family and acts like them, so, he can be counted on them.
He was never a part of that family. Not until Eamon could "use" him. He was dumped by them at 10 years old.
He may have seen them as family, but you're talking about the fantasy of a fatherless child who had no one else and who thought living in the kennels when they visited Denerim was a step up from being physically abused back in Redcliffe by the servants and treated like dirt by Isolde.
My Queen HoF always takes the "Chancellor" role so she can send Eamon's worthless, abusive hide back to Redcliffe. The man's a political animal--so is she--but Alistair really isn't.
Bann Teagan, Seneschal Varel and Loghain are the hottest elder gentlemen of DA.
No man or woman on earth can resist their manly charm. If I were a dude, I'd go gay for them.
He was never a part of that family. Not until Eamon could "use" him. He was dumped by them at 10 years old.
He may have seen them as family, but you're talking about the fantasy of a fatherless child who had no one else and who thought living in the kennels when they visited Denerim was a step up from being physically abused back in Redcliffe by the servants and treated like dirt by Isolde.
My Queen HoF always takes the "Chancellor" role so she can send Eamon's worthless, abusive hide back to Redcliffe. The man's a political animal--so is she--but Alistair really isn't.
He was never a part of that family. Not until Eamon could "use" him. He was dumped by them at 10 years old.
Eamon wanted to raise him: it was Isolde who objected.
The official story regarding Alistair was that he was the son of a castle maid who Eamon had taken in because he felt it owed it to a faithful servant: Isolde realized that this official story was bullshit and suspected Alistair was Eamon's bastard, and wanted the kid gone.
(And frankly, Eamon was probably wise to never reveal Alistair's real parentage to his gossip of a wife: imagine if all of Orlais was aware that Ferelden's king was the elf-blooded son of the leader of the rebel mages)
(And frankly, Eamon was probably wise to never reveal Alistair's real parentage to his gossip of a wife: imagine if all of Orlais was aware that Ferelden's king was the elf-blooded son of the leader of the rebel mages)
If I recall correctly, only Maric and Fiona knew that, she told him to invent the excuse of the servant maid that died during the birth.
I suspect that Eamon knew the truth, likely because Maric had been forced to bring him into the loop.
Eamon probably wasn't thrilled to learn of Maric getting someone pregnant only a few years after his sister died, so I doubt that Maric would have risked alienating his brother-in-law (who's an incredibly powerful man) by telling him that the woman in question was a scullery maid in Eamon's own employ. It'd have been a smack in the face to both Rowan's memory and Eamon's hospitality that Maric would cavort with one of his servants.
If Maric wanted to convince Eamon to remain silent, then I suspect that Maric offered the full truth and that Alistair was elf-blooded. While it would be blackmail material Eamon could use over him, Maric would have knonw that Eamon would never risk having the scandal tarnish both Cailan and the memory of his sister, simply as a means to spite his brother-in-law.
Another reason is that by asking him to serve as Alistair's guardian, he was already entrusting him to keep the secret of Maric having an illegitimate son. Goldanna's mother was in Eamon's employ when she died in childbirth, so it makes more sense for him to suggest her as the decoy to throw off any suspicion about who the true mother was.
Finally, Eamon's a sharp bloke, so he'd have never bought into the lie even if Maric had intended to keep the truth from him.
The "scandal" with alistair doesn't make sense because quite frankly, it only works with the original Alistair (aka the older embittered grey warden). When Fiona and Maric met, Rowan had been dead for 2 years. The king having a bastard and the fact that Maric was so loved and I do a spockbrow as to why the game insists that Alistair was seen as a threat to Cailan's potential rule and something that would diminish Rowan's memory (at no point in human history do I think that people would think badly of a person 2 years dead based on what their surviving spouse having a kid.
The ORIGINAL older Alistair, yes that makes sense (I suspect Katriel was supposed to be his mother) since a) it would make alistair the elder and thus heir apparent and 
it would tarnish the love story between Maric and Rowan that many Fereldens love to hear.
Alistair being Fiona's child doesnt make any sense, Loghain says Rowan was alive when Alistair was conceived, yet they retconned it.
Um, because I thought you disliked them, hence my comment? If not, then apologies. I misunderstood your post.
No, I love them!! Bwahaha what a funny misunderstanding! 
No I meant, I'd have been sad to see them in DAI b/c they'd probably end up ugly like Teagan... and I love them too much for that ;_;
I'll just pretend DA2 Zevran never happened....
Alistair being Fiona's child doesnt make any sense, Loghain says Rowan was alive when Alistair was conceived, yet they retconned it.
Alistair was originally concieved of as being an grizzled veteran in his forties (which I guess they reused for Duncan), but during the five or so years of development for Origins they decided to make him far younger and change his backstory.
I suspect that they couldn't figure out whether or not Alistair was supposed to be older or younger than Cailan, as well as if Maric fathered him after he became a widower or through an extra-marital affair, which is why the timeline of the novels is a little screwy and why we have that leftover line from Loghain that makes it seem like Alistair is older than Cailan.
Gaider did say a while ago that it's not so much of them retconning things and more of him really sucking at maths.
Loghain might have been becoming senile them, because him not knowing if Alistair was born before or after Rowan's death is not him being bad at math.Alistair was originally concieved of as being an grizzled veteran in his forties (which I guess they reused for Duncan), but during the five or so years of development for Origins they decided to make him far younger and change his backstory.
I suspect that they couldn't figure out whether or not Alistair was supposed to be older or younger than Cailan, as well as if Maric fathered him after he became a widower or through an extra-marital affair, which is why the timeline of the novels is a little screwy and why we have that leftover line from Loghain that makes it seem like Alistair is older than Cailan.
Gaider did say a while ago that it's not so much of them retconning things and more of him really sucking at maths.
Alistair was originally concieved of as being an grizzled veteran in his forties (which I guess they reused for Duncan), but during the five or so years of development for Origins they decided to make him far younger and change his backstory.
:
What!? oh, hell, I think would be better a veteran than the whiny brat they gave us, at least he wouldn't turn on me for trying to use Loghain as a decoy, why they can't put a veteran Warden as a companion? I thought Blackwall would be, but they changed him to an Orlesian soldier in the end.
Alistair is not a whiny brat. No really, I love Alistair, he's the only reasonsable LI in DAO. I mean, he doesn't betray you. You betray him and whine about how childish he sounds when your the one that decided to keep Loghian alive in the first place. If you actually listen to him, he does have a sense of honor, and tries to what's right. He's also my Wardens moral compass, I suppose. I'm really bias, becuase I'm a hardcore Alistair fan that always kills Loghian so that he stays with me.
Yeah, I think it's rather rich that Alistair gets labelled as whiny because you decide to spare the man who basically destroyed everything he cared about, for what amounts to no particular reason beyond "why not?", and he gets mad about it. I mean that would actually be a pretty normal reaction from most people.
Uhm, Yeah, I wasn't minding "spare" Loghain exactly, ( if you metagame you can see it's the perfect way to give Loghain some sweet poetic justice) for how Anora and Riordan were painting the things, I assumed Loghain would be a decoy, also, the joining itself was a coin in the air, so he betrayed me first, and honor, well, unless the person on the Darkspawn Chronicles, the Comics and the dude who sent Teagan to disband the Inquisition after saving Redcliffe's arse was some kind of evil twin, I would say he doesn't have such thing.Alistair is not a whiny brat. No really, I love Alistair, he's the only reasonsable LI in DAO. I mean, he doesn't betray you. You betray him and whine about how childish he sounds when your the one that decided to keep Loghian alive in the first place. If you actually listen to him, he does have a sense of honor, and tries to what's right. He's also my Wardens moral compass, I suppose. I'm really bias, becuase I'm a hardcore Alistair fan that always kills Loghian so that he stays with me.
Normal militaries would understand such things on a crisis, even if disapprove the choice itself. It is normal and understandable he argues the choice, not so much dumping everything you can have done for him or quitting from the Warders, if he wouldn't knew the kind of bad deal a Blight is, then I would understand, but he knows and yet he quits, not to face the Archdemon on another place but to let Oghren as a noob on living drunk.Yeah, I think it's rather rich that Alistair gets labelled as whiny because you decide to spare the man who basically destroyed everything he cared about, for what amounts to no particular reason beyond "why not?", and he gets mad about it. I mean that would actually be a pretty normal reaction from most people.
Retour en haut
