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[dragonflight288]

DAO Teagan was all handsome and flirty and helpful. DAI Trespasser Teagan was a grumpy yelly old balding man with a stick up his ass. What the hell happened? It was kind of sad and shocking, really.

 

Fifteen years: that's what happened.

 

And that we are on the opposing side of him this time. He treated Anora and Loghain with equal contempt in Origins. 

 

The biggest difference is that in Origins he supported us and in Inquisition he wanted the Inquisition disbanded and saw nothing but a play for power, which he saw in Loghain, and thus we got the Loghain treatment. 

[congokong]

Teagan was always a bit sleazy. He was just much more charming about it in DA:O. I think him lying to the Warden about there being no secret entrance into the castle to get them to risk their life for Redcliffe (when they were needed to stop the blight as a whole) was a dirty move; not to mention a stupid one as going in there and killing the demon would have avoided the need to fight undead the following night. Now though Teagan's just an ass who complains about everything. If the Wardens are exiled, he complains. If they're in the Inquisition, he complains. He's a major case of character assassination.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I'm imagining him running bleating to Alastair after the magisters kicked him out of Redcliffe; Nephew, it's outrageous. They dared, dared  to throw me out of my home and those ungrateful ingrates (mages) did nothing. This is an INSULT! I demand you do something.

 

Alastair makes soothing noises; of course uncle, I will set off at once with all my best soldiers and redeem your honor. Come, m'dear (to Anora), let's not tarry (whispers, you'd not want to stay to hear his farts) . *scuttles off*

[SmilesJA]

Is Teagan married? I recall in the Origins ending slides that he married someone.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Is Teagan married? I recall in the Origins ending slides that he married someone.

Those slides are dubiously canon. Although the choices that cause them to trigger do exist in the Keep, so maybe Bioware does plan on keeping this decision. Then again, you'd expect that it would have come up by now if they were.

[Apo]

Those slides are dubiously canon. Although the choices that cause them to trigger do exist in the Keep, so maybe Bioware does plan on keeping this decision. Then again, you'd expect that it would have come up by now if they were.

 

You mean non-canon ?

The slides at the ends of Origins and Awakenings were labeled as "rumors".

I don't even understand why they put Awakening choices in the Keep though, none of them were brought to DA:I

[Master Warder Z_]

Am I the only one who would have threatened military action, aka another front on the potential war coming against this blithering old fossil?

I'd burn Redcliffe again!

[Andromelek]

Am I the only one who would have threatened military action, aka another front on the potential war coming against this blithering old fossil?
I'd burn Redcliffe again!

Nope, I wanted an option to say "You and which army is gonna disband us? Oh, wait, you mean the army that couldn't kick out Darkspawn on ten years nor could stop a single fire ship from burning Denerim?"

Honestly, Ferelden's army seems to be so lame that I feel that would be enough with a bunch of goat-thrower Avvars to take over them.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nope, I wanted an option to say "You and which army is gonna disband us? Oh, wait, you mean the army that couldn't kick out Darkspawn on ten years nor could stop a single fire ship from burning Denerim?"

Honestly, Ferelden's army seems to be so lame that I feel that would be enough with a bunch of goat-thrower Avvars to take over them.

And you wonder why they want you gone.

[Andromelek]

And you wonder why they want you gone.

Well, I couldn't be as harsh as I wanted to; and it's definitely not my fault that their army is so lame, so they remain unjustified, they could have just ask for the lands the Inquisition "occupied", there was no real need to disband it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, I couldn't be as harsh as I wanted to; and it's definitely not my fault that their army is so lame, so they remain unjustified, they could have just ask for the lands the Inquisition "occupied", there was no real need to disband it.

Of course, how they dare complain Inquisition siezed their lands without their permission and showed they don't care about country authorities and laws.Also how do you know they didn't do that, it is obvious that Ferelden didn't liked Inquisition occupying Hinterlands and Crestwood and yet inquistion forces remined.I see some people are rly so detached from reality that consider seizing land on equal with your friend eating your potato chip.

[Andromelek]

Of course, how they dare complain Inquisition siezed their lands without their permission and showed they don't care about country authorities and laws.Also how do you know they didn't do that, it is obvious that Ferelden didn't liked Inquisition occupying Hinterlands and Crestwood and yet inquistion forces remined.I see some people are rly so detached from reality that consider seizing land on equal with your friend eating your potato chip.

Oh, and how do you know that they asked back their lands prior Trespasser? I don't remember any evidence of that, furthermore, as I recall Teagan offered a way to have even more lands within Ferelden, how do you want me to take his arguments serious after having done that?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh, and how do you know that they asked their lands back prior Trespasser? I don't remember any evidence of that, furthermore, as I recall Teagan offered a way to have even more lands within Ferelden, how do you want me to take his arguments serious after having done that?

How do you know they didn't, i asked you first as you claimed they didn't despite you don't have information whether Ferelden did or didn't ask to remove inquisition forces from their Lands.Question should be, how do you expect me to take your argument seriously when you made claim that ferelden didn't do that and when i asked you how do you know that Ferelden didn't do that specific thing you just addressed same question to me as i was making claim that ferelden did. 

[Andromelek]

How do you know they didn't,i asked you first as you claimed they didn't despite you don't have information whether Ferelden did or didn't ask to remove inquisition forces from their Lands.Question should be, how do you expect me to take your argument seriously when you made claim that ferelden didn't do that and when i asked you how do you know that Ferelden didn't do that specific thing you just addressed same question for me as i was making claim that ferelden did.

It never reached the Inquisitor's ears (in case they did it) since he/she showed to be surprised on Teagan's arguments, given that they had ease to contact directly with the Inquisitor during the main game, it means that it would be the first time they complain about that.

Now, do you have any evidence that they asked before? Because your argument couldn't go forward without it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It never reached the Inquisitor's ears (in case they did it) since he/she showed to be surprised on Teagan's arguments, given that they had ease to contact directly with the Inquisitor during the main game, it means that it would be the first time they complain about that.

Now, do you have any evidence that they asked before? Because your argument couldn't go forward without it.

And you judge that inquisitor was suprised by Teagan arguments by exactly what because i didn't saw shock on inquisitor face nor any indicator that inquisitor didn't know about that when Teagan presented Ferelden position.Also during main game you were still dealing with Corypheus. 

 

In fact it was fairly obvious that Ferelden doesn't want Inquisition in its borders as i said council was delayed for 2 years in favor of inquisition by divine Victoria and Ferelden and Teagan doesn't hide their position.

[Andromelek]

And you judge that inquisitor was suprised by Teagan arguments by exactly what because i didn't saw shock on inquisitor face nor any indicator that inquisitor didn't know about that when Teagan presented Ferelden position.Also during main game you were still dealing with Corypheus.

In fact it was fairly obvious that Ferelden doesn't want Inquisition in its borders as i said council was delayed for 2 years in favor of inquisition by divine Victoria and Ferelden and Teagan doesn't hide their position.

1st-For his/her response on Crestwood being occupied by bandits before the Inquisition kicked them out of the town.

2nd- I don't know which point you want to reach with Corypheus still screwing around, if it's about the territories the Inquisition had, Ferelden may disagree since then and may ignore it to avoid problems and still get aid from the Inquisition, but if they weren't happy with the Inquisition on town, then they should not offered them a way to have even more lands.

3rd-No, they don't hide their position because the Inquisition is no longer useful to them, it seems that backstab whoever aided you once it stops being useful it's something very Fereldan.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1st-For his/her response on Crestwood being occupied by bandits before the Inquisition kicked them out of the town.

2nd- I don't know which point you want to reach with Corypheus still screwing around, if it's about the territories the Inquisition had, Ferelden may disagree since then and may ignore it to avoid problems and still get aid from the Inquisition, but if they weren't happy with the Inquisition on town, then they should not offered them a way to have even more lands.

3rd-No, they don't hide their position because the Inquisition is no longer useful to them, it seems that backstab whoever aided you once it stops being useful it's something very Fereldan.

 

1.Except they don't, they don't act suprised neither when it comes to facial expression nor verbal communication and Inquisitor only responds as to why they did it.

 

2.Except they didn't? If i recall Ferelden never agreed to Inqistion claim their land Inquisition was tolerated in Ferelden because of Corypheus and Teagan clearly says that Ferelden appreciates what Inquisition did but Corypheus is gone and Inquisition remained.  

 

3.Except, from fact that once again council would be convened long time ago if not Victoria actions (that i have already mentioned...) , also Inquisitor can hardly complain if they didn't respected authorities and their laws.

[Medhia_Nox]

Concerning Teagan... I wanted to say only this: 

 

"Why am I talking to a tool that can't keep his house in check?  Are you the best Ferelden has to offer?  No wonder you people constantly need saving.  You're lucky I didn't take Redcliff from you." 

[Andromelek]

1.Except they don't, they don't act suprised either when it comes to facial expression nor verbal communication and Inquisitor only responds as to why they did it.
 
2.Except they didn't? If i recall Ferelden never agreed to Inqistion claim their land Inquisition was tolerated in Ferelden because of Corypheus and Teagan clearly says that Ferelden appreciated what Inquisition did but Corypheus is gone and Inquisition remained.  
 
3.Except, from fact that once again council would be convened long time ago if not Victoria actions (that i have already mentioned...) , also Inquisitor can hardly complain if they didn't respected authorities and their laws.

1-Meh, If you say so.

2-They didn't complain about the Inquisition cleansing the mess on Hinterlands that Alistair/Anora provoked by allowing Fiona to remain, then there is the fact that they charged you by the things mages broke under their care, and Teagan's invitation to a tournament that could have granted territory to the Inquisition, and I assure you, they would be whining on that too if the Inquisition would have succeeded.

3- Now you care for rules and authorities, how convenient, they have no problem with Orlesians or Avvars having some part of their territory, nor the King has problem messing with other countries' business.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1-Meh, If you say so.

2-They didn't complain about the Inquisition cleansing the mess on Hinterlands that Alistair/Anora provoked by allowing Fiona to remain, then there is the fact that they charged you by the things mages broke under their care, and Teagan's invitation to a tournament that could have granted territory to the Inquisition, and I assure you, they would be whining on that too if the Inquisition would have succeeded.

3- Now you care for rules and authorities, how convenient, they have no problem with Orlesians or Avvars having some part of their territory, nor the King has problem messing with other countries' business.

 

1.I do.

 

2.They didn't and still don't as i said they said they appreciate it, as for charging you for mages actions to be honest i find it dumb and ridiculous demands in contrast to Ferelden doing something sensible since fifth blight in Trespasser. Except can and did are 2 different things, you can give me 200 $ but it will be far from the same if i will take it from you without your permission.

 

3.From what i recall Orlais didn't seize their territory (at least since war) nor Ferelden would be fine with them doing that (dao).While Avvars aren't threat (they are considering their approach to magic but it isn't that Ferelden was smart about it), don't involve themselves in matters of Ferelden, aren't organized as they are separate tribes and well live far from Ferelden settlements .

[Master Warder Z_]

Concerning Teagan... I wanted to say only this: 

 

"Why am I talking to a tool that can't keep his house in check?  Are you the best Ferelden has to offer?  No wonder you people constantly need saving.  You're lucky I didn't take Redcliff from you." 

 

I would take Redcliffe from him.

 

.-.

 

In fact I'd basically declare war on Fereldan there, force Orlais to back me and completely sever ties with the Chantry all in one sweep.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

You mean non-canon ?

The slides at the ends of Origins and Awakenings were labeled as "rumors".

I don't even understand why they put Awakening choices in the Keep though, none of them were brought to DA:I

Well, apparently the Architect was formerly the Urthemiel Cult's equivalent to Corypheus, and he keeps coming up with questionable plans that tend to backfire on everyone. So, him living could be important in DA4. Meanwhile Amaranthine's apparently the richest city in Ferelden due to Orlesian investments during the Occupation; assuming that you actually managed to burn it as destructively as the expansion suggests (which is a tall order and yet apparently exactly what you did) Ferelden's still not going to be quite as powerful as it would otherwise have been.

 

Though of course there are those who assume Bioware's never going to make the choices make a radical difference in the way the game goes, and while I hold out hope I can't deny I can see why they don't.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Master Warder Z:  If I could do "anything" - I would have allied with the Avvar and Orzammar - declared myself a sovereign nation (and snidely said - "There you go, the Inquisition is disbanded.") - fortified my power bases in Ferelden.  Considered selling any holding I had in Orlais to fund my war (and appease the Orlesians who HAVE to still be reeling from the civil war/Corypheus - even after two years) - march on Crestwood... send the Avvar to maraud in southern Ferelden and harrass Redcliff... build ships... sail down Lake Calenhad and take Redcliff and then contact Anora and ask: 

 

"Shall I continue... or are we done here?  Your husband is off searching for a cure for his condition.  Your southern lands are recovering from a Blight and your western holdings have fallen to the sovereignty of the alliance between the former Inquisition, the Avvar and Orzamaar.  I have sabotaged trading to Ferelden from Ostwick to Orlais, but I'll be happy to ask Kirkwall to stop the privateers harassing your shipping lanes.  I know the Viscount - he's quite amicable.  It will take me several years to take all your holdings and I've no stomach for another prolonged campaign.  I have a bald, rat faced elf to find you see... he's going to end the world and I need to stop him. My warmest regard." 

[Master Warder Z_]

The Avvar are savages, little better then elves

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Avvar are savages, little better then elves

The Avvar are apparently promiscuous. That's a step in the right direction. Edit: Besides, you don't need to like someone to find common cause with them.