@Master Warder Z: I do not need gentlemen to fight a war.
Come to think of it... I think I'll annex the Ferelden Circle Tower too. That would leave me with the entirety of Lake Calendhad (except that little secondary "pond" with the ruins of Lothering)
I'd rather just kill them all, tithe the land off to Orlais for war capital. Barbarians get purged, the war chest gets bigger, Fereldan's happy because one of their moron savage tribes is gone.The Avvar are apparently promiscuous. That's a step in the right direction. Edit: Besides, you don't need to like someone to find common cause with them.
I'd rather just kill them all, tithe the land off to Orlais for war capital. Barbarians get purged, the war chest gets bigger, Fereldan's happy because one of their moron savage tribes is gone.
Everyone is happy
I don't think Medhia's plan involves Ferelden being happy. Also, I don't know that giving the Avvar's territory to Orlais would make them happy at all.
@Master Warder Z: I do not need gentlemen to fight a war.
I don't think Medhia's plan involves Ferelden being happy. Also, I don't know that giving the Avvar's territory to Orlais would make them happy at all.
You don't think a border past the river with Fereldan would make Orlais happy?
And Fereldan is happy until 4,000 chevaliers are crossing the river supported by 2,000 heavy infantrymen from the Inquisition.
No, I'm well aware that selling Ferelden land to Orlais would make Orlais happy. I was just wondering why selling Ferelden land to Orlais would make Ferelden happy. Since, you know, my understanding was that the fear that you might do exactly that is why Alistair and/or Anora are trying to get your organization disbanded.
No, I'm well aware that selling Ferelden land to Orlais would make Orlais happy. I was just wondering why selling Ferelden land to Orlais would make Ferelden happy. Since, you know, my understanding was that the fear that you might do exactly that is why Alistair and/or Anora are trying to get your organization disbanded.
@Master Warder Z: I see them as having Viking potential... *shrugs* To each their own.
Besides - paying them to die for my new nation is hardly a big expense... I'll give them goats. They like goats.
Once they move through an area, I'll let Orzammar send surfacer dwarves (now officially part of my nation) to assist in building efforts in exchange for food stuffs and other essentials. Also - Bhelen's golems could come in real handy. I'll work on him relaxing his surfacer idiocy... so that the dwarven people can expand (I have a love for the dwarves). Long term would be to start recovering the Deep Roads beneath my new nation.
The area directly above Orzammar I'll give to Bhelen while we begin making new routes down into Orlais in the event that it too needs to be acquired. (though I'd let Bhelen fight that war - he's a visionary - he'll see the wisdom in a dwarven surfacer state.)
Then, I'll begin talks with Nevarra and form a firm alliance with them via my relationship with the Penteghast family. If Orlais tries anything... my new nation, Bhelen's new holdings, the Avvar and Nevarra will be ready.
As for the Free Marches - I'm from Ostwick so trade with them and Antiva (Hey Josie! What up girl?) will go swimmingly
So - yeah. I think it would work out.
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2.They didn't and still don't as i said they said they appreciate it, as for charging you for mages actions to be honest i find it dumb and ridiculous demands in contrast to Ferelden doing something sensible since fifth blight in Trespasser. Except can and did are 2 different things, you can give me 200 $ but it will be far from the same if i will take it from you without your permission.
3.From what i recall Orlais didn't seize their territory (at least since war) nor Ferelden would be fine with them doing that (dao).While Avvars aren't threat (they are considering their approach to magic but it isn't that Ferelden was smart about it), don't involve themselves in matters of Ferelden, aren't organized as they are separate tribes and well live far from Ferelden settlements .
Say whatever you want, I don't think having a Fereldan wife makes him or the Chantry less Orlesian.
And on your example of the 200 bucks, it wouldn't be as I gave them to you willingly, it would be more like if I would gave them to you after you threatened me even when I saved your ass.
From what i recall Haven was in possession of his wife that was Ferelden because she had claim to Haven, so in first place Haven wasn't seized by Orlais only legally claimed by Ferelden noblewoman that was married to Orlesian noble and later they have lent/gave it to the Chantry.
Eee, not rly? Inquisition seized Ferelden land without their permission (took something from ferelden without their consent), and no that you helped me doesn't mean you are allowed to do whatever you want, pretty sure it doesn't work that way in real life.
From what i recall Haven was in possession of his wife that was Ferelden because she had claim to Haven, so in first place Haven wasn't seized by Orlais only legally claimed by Ferelden noblewoman that was married to Orlesian noble and later they have lent/gave it to the Chantry.
Eee, not rly? Inquisition seized Ferelden land without their permission (took something from ferelden without their consent), and no that you helped me doesn't mean you are allowed to do whatever you want, pretty sure it doesn't work that way in real life.
You know how marriage works right? overall on these matters, the lands may "legally" belong to his wife but you never get a word from her, it's clear as water that ha can manage the lands as he pleases, not to mention the children (if they have) would likely inherit both the lands and the Orlesian titles.
My point was that you shouldn't act as a harmless puppy if you were a dick on me first (and they indeed did that since Teagan threatened the Inquisition to pay before they seized of any land)
So? As i said land was given because his wife that was once again Ferelden noblewoman that had legal claims to said land, whether she allows her orlesian husband manage this land is her business, land was given by Ferelden to her not Orlais.
From what i recall they never threatened inquisition/inquisitor in main game closest thing to threat would be when he said that he hopes they can settle it without involving crown when it comes to paying reparations.
I just view them as too stupid in the ways of war to do much.
A organized professional military always beats the savages or popular uprising. Chain mail beats furs, steel beats clubs.
The Avaar do summon spirits, not just demons, who take blows for them and have magic beyond what Circle mages have because they are utterly unafraid of the spirits and thus have access to magic and abilities that other mages wouldn't.
Otherwise you would be right.
But in a fantasy world where magic can be such a huge game-changer, it's kind of hard to tell.
You know how marriage works right? overall on these matters, the lands may "legally" belong to his wife but you never get a word from her, it's clear as water that ha can manage the lands as he pleases, not to mention the children (if they have) would likely inherit both the lands and the Orlesian titles.
I did just want to point out that a large part of why we get away with this initial landgrab is that DuRellion has a questionable ability to enforce the claims. In order to do anything about this, they'd need to go before the Crown, which would need to confirm the treaty that his wife claims entitles her to the land. That he's an Orlesian will make this claim harder to pursue, since Ferelden and Orlais are still not getting along. Some people are so touchy about spending a century as a province. So, to say that it's clear as water that he can manage the land as he pleases is a bit of an overstatement.
Legally it might be, depending on what exactly the treaty says and what Ferelden's exact policies are on ancient legal documents regarding land with limited settlers. So if that's what you meant by it being "clear as water" that he can do what he wants with that land you might be right. De facto? Not so much. So, if anyone's wondering why Ferelden's not doing anything about the Inquisition basically taking Haven in a bloodless coup, it's probably because they don't sympathize with the man they're (probably) supposed to do so for. Compare this to their reaction when the Venatori take Redcliffe and the monarch(s) themself(ves) ride in personally to toss Fiona out.
And as to your actual point you're entirely right. Orlais doesn't control that territory. A man who owes allegiance to the Orlesian Throne does. (Or more accurately, he is for all we know legally entitled to.) And thanks to his wife's claims in Ferelden (ie the exact territory we're discussing,) he also owes allegiance to the Throne of Ferelden. My understanding is that weirdness like this was not atypical back in the day. Only there's no point in telling TKS any of this, since he never changes his mind on anything whether or not he's actually correct.
(In case it's not clear, about half the point of this is a rebuttal to TKS. Which, I admit, is probably pointless.)
I did just want to point out that a large part of why we get away with this initial landgrab is that DuRellion has a questionable ability to enforce the claims. In order to do anything about this, they'd need to go before the Crown, which would need to confirm the treaty that his wife claims entitles her to the land. That he's an Orlesian will make this claim harder to pursue, since Ferelden and Orlais are still not getting along. Some people are so touchy about spending a century as a province. So, to say that it's clear as water that he can manage the land as he pleases is a bit of an overstatement.
Legally it might be, depending on what exactly the treaty says and what Ferelden's exact policies are on ancient legal documents regarding land with limited settlers. So if that's what you meant by it being "clear as water" that he can do what he wants with that land you might be right. De facto? Not so much. So, if anyone's wondering why Ferelden's not doing anything about the Inquisition basically taking Haven in a bloodless coup, it's probably because they don't sympathize with the man they're (probably) supposed to do so for. Compare this to their reaction when the Venatori take Redcliffe and the monarch(s) themself(ves) ride in personally to toss Fiona out.
And as to your actual point you're entirely right. Orlais doesn't control that territory. A man who owes allegiance to the Orlesian Throne does. (Or more accurately, he is for all we know legally entitled to.) And thanks to his wife's claims in Ferelden (ie the exact territory we're discussing,) he also owes allegiance to the Throne of Ferelden. My understanding is that weirdness like this was not atypical back in the day. Only there's no point in telling TKS any of this, since he never changes his mind on anything whether or not he's actually correct.
(In case it's not clear, about half the point of this is a rebuttal to TKS. Which, I admit, is probably pointless.)
Except that pretty much you confirmed that im right... once again he wasn't given land because he is Orlesian, land was given to his Ferelden wife because she had legal claim to them ,what was sole reason for it. So, no Ferelden land wasn't seized by Orlais since war nor Ferelden would be fine with it.
It amazes me that T.... I mean, Bann Howe talked **** about the Grey Wardens.
I'm like "Dude, the king you owe loyalty to is a Grey Warden". I'd like to see if he would dare to do it in front of Alistair.
It's even more dumbfounding in a worldstate with a Grey Warden king and queen. But, Teagan! Teagan! You like both of them!
I haven't played through with my worldstate where m!Cousland married Anora for power, but went through the eluvian with Morrigan for love. I can't imagine he'd be too pleased to hear that his ambassador badmouthed his order behind his back. Then again, in this case Teagan is probably still slightly annoyed that the throne left the line of Calenhad.
Except that pretty much you confirmed that im right... once again he wasn't given land because he is Orlesian, land was given to his Ferelden wife because she had legal claim to them ,what was sole reason for it. So, no Ferelden land wasn't seized by Orlais since war nor Ferelden would be fine with it.
Oh, that was you arguing that. I apologize.
Alright, have your point.So? As i said land was given because his wife that was once again Ferelden noblewoman that had legal claims to said land, whether she allows her orlesian husband manage this land is her business, land was given by Ferelden to her not Orlais.
From what i recall they never threatened inquisition/inquisitor in main game closest thing to threat would be when he said that he hopes they can settle it without involving crown when it comes to paying reparations.
Alright, have your point.
"Closest thing"? Unless you have such a deluded mind to believe the King/Queen would go alone and would ask kindly the payment (of a mess they provoked) it is a threat.
I always have.
Doubtful, most likely King would have to solve dispute between Teagan and Inquisition in similar fashion that was done in Awakening and then if one side didn't accept the verdict King would have taken appropriate action to deal with such person.
I always have.
Doubtful, most likely King would have to solve dispute between Teagan and Inquisition in similar fashion that was done in Awakening and then if one side didn't accept the verdict King would have taken appropriate action to deal with such person.
Not really, since you have built a reputation by your own and you didn't prove me wrong nor you were coherent on any of our past discussions.
Which would still being "pay me to repair the mess I started or I'll send an army".
Yes rly, my reputation comes largely from mage-templar topics for my solutions that people perceive inhumane and tend to react emotionally thus , later false accusations that i said something i didn't (like that i was comparing myself to Hitler) and from character threads where if you give anything but positive content people will start screaming "troll" . As well i pretty much proved you wrong every time in this thread be it when it comes to Ferelden land matter or matter of Inquisitor being suprised (or rather not being suprised) by Teagan accusations. I always were coherent people that say i wasn't can't provide any example.
Not rly, again if something it was " lets settle it between us or we will meet in court" .
Yes rly, my reputation comes largely from mage-templar topics for my solutions that people perceive not humane and tend to react emotionally thus , later false accusations that i said something i didn't (like that i was comparing myself to Hitler) and from character threads where if you give anything but positive content people will start screaming "troll" . As well i pretty much proved you wrong every time in this thread be it when it comes to Ferelden land matter or matter of Inquisitor being suprised (or rather not being suprised) by Teagan accusations. I always were coherent people that say i wasn't can't provide any example.
Not rly, again if something it was " lets settle it between us or we will meet in court" .
I didn't see the thread of the "Hitler matter" but I have seen that even Templar-Supporters have the same assessment that you disregard whatever proves you wrong, and no, I didn't buy the argument you say, since you don't have any evidence of Ferelden asking back their lands early, you also ignored points like Teagan offering the Inquisition enter on a tournament for Fereldan lands and King messing up with other countries' business.
And there was no need to reach the court, the Inquisition had nothing to pay for because they did nothing but save the Fereldan's arses from a mess they started, also it's not an impartial judge it's either his "nephew" or the widow of his nephew, who you think would win with such judge?
Im not in good relations with both pro-mages and pro-templars with first group because im not very pro-mage (understatement) with second group because they see my solution too extreme neither was able to prove that my solution wouldn't work going even with ridiculous arguments that mages will be born again despite my solution is all about solving that issue.
Once again you try reverse it on me despite we have been here before , you were one making statements that Ferelden didn't ask for returning their land that on what i responded "how do you know they didn't" , later (before that you have tried do the same thing you are trying to do here) you tried support your claim with inquisitor acting suprised by Teagan accusations what i refuted.
Also i didn't ignore your point about tournament i said it was ridiculous , what was your point just because Teagan offered Inquisition participation in tournament where price was title but inqiusition didn't won, Teagan should be fine with Inquisition seizing their land without their permission? Also what king messing with another country business you mean and how it does even contribute here?
And? For Teagan there was need (if inquisitor refused to pay reparations) , do you want to tell me that only sensible people go to the court , nor this change it into Teagan threatening Inquisitor with an army rather than taking matter to the court.Under normal circumstances obviously any sane monarch would chose to support own people over foreign forces , under unusual circumstances depends on monarch and needless to say circumstances wern't normal.
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