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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Not rly, again if something it was " lets settle it between us or we will meet in court" .

I think that's technically a mild threat.

 

 

And there was no need to reach the court, the Inquisition had nothing to pay for because they did nothing but save the Fereldan's arses from a mess they started, also it's not an impartial judge it's either his "nephew" or the widow of his nephew, who you think would win with such judge?

The Inquisition assumed responsibility for the mages. Teagan figures you're therefore volunteering to pay their bills. Which is not a 100% unreasonable interpretation if you take the mages on as free allies and therefore are bailing them out of the mess they created rather than imprisoning them so they can't do it again.

 

It's also worth noting that Ferelden may or may not be good for the money to fix the damage created by the mages themselves. They did just facetank a Blight and a half about a decade ago. And Teagan probably can't afford it personally due to all the chaos in the Hinterlands, nor should he have to since I'm pretty sure the mage sanctuary wasn't his idea. And he can't just push it onto the people who were directly hurt by the incidents he describes, since those sound like incidents that harm the poor rather than harming him personally. Teagan probably can't afford to rebuild those houses and buy food to replace those lost crops, but the farmers they belonged to certainly can't.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think that's technically a mild threat.

 

 

The Inquisition assumed responsibility for the mages. Teagan figures you're therefore volunteering to pay their bills. Which is not a 100% unreasonable interpretation if you take the mages on as free allies and therefore are bailing them out of the mess they created rather than imprisoning them so they can't do it again.

 

It's also worth noting that Ferelden may or may not be good for the money to fix the damage created by the mages themselves. They did just facetank a Blight and a half about a decade ago. And Teagan probably can't afford it personally due to all the chaos in the Hinterlands, nor should he have to since I'm pretty sure the mage sanctuary wasn't his idea. And he can't just push it onto the people who were directly hurt by the incidents he describes, since those sound like incidents that harm the poor rather than harming him personally. Teagan probably can't afford to rebuild those houses and buy food to replace those lost crops, but the farmers they belonged to certainly can't.

 

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1.At it absolute worst it is mild passive-aggressive intimidation (ie threat).

 

2.To be honest it is just ordinary swindling in order to get money, Inquisition had nothing to do with stupid decision making of the Crown (and Ferelden) what was to blame for terrible situation in Hinterlands and if Teagan was at least bit of fair he would demand reparations from the crown not Inquisition but Inquisition was easier and better target, aside from fact that Inquistion did help him reclaim his land and potentially minimized damage.   

[Melbella]

2.To be honest it is just ordinary swindling in order to get money, Inquisition had nothing to do with stupid decision making of the Crown (and Ferelden) what was to blame for terrible situation in Hinterlands and if Teagan was at least bit of fair he would demand reparations from the crown not Inquisition but Inquisition was easier and better target, aside from fact that Inquistion did help him reclaim his land and potentially minimized damage.

And that's why I didn't do the "Reparations for Redcliffe" in my current game. The Ferelden ruler/s let them stay there and he has no evidence mages under Fiona's command were responsible (i.e. it could have been the outliers running amok in the Hinterlands, who are all now dead, or it could have been Venatori agents, who are also now dead). Just because "a mage did it" doesn't mean one of *our* mages did it. Like you say, the Inquisition is just an easy target.
 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And that's why I didn't do the "Reparations for Redcliffe" in my current game. The Ferelden ruler/s let them stay there and he has no evidence mages under Fiona's command were responsible (i.e. it could have been the outliers running amok in the Hinterlands, who are all now dead, or it could have been Venatori agents, who are also now dead). Just because "a mage did it" doesn't mean one of *our* mages did it. Like you say, the Inquisition is just an easy target.
 

The panicked children are probably yours. And the mages in the Hinterlands are rebel mages. Fiona could have said they weren't real rebel mages and therefore weren't her problem, if it weren't for the fact that her manifesto specifically states that she and the real rebel mages were going to do their part to handle them. Which didn't happen. So, you can argue that the apostates are still her fault, since she said she was going to take responsibility for them as part of her justification for the war that ultimately caused this part of the devastation.

 

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1.At it absolute worst it is mild passive-aggressive intimidation (ie threat).

 

2.To be honest it is just ordinary swindling in order to get money, Inquisition had nothing to do with stupid decision making of the Crown (and Ferelden) what was to blame for terrible situation in Hinterlands and if Teagan was at least bit of fair he would demand reparations from the crown not Inquisition but Inquisition was easier and better target, aside from fact that Inquistion did help him reclaim his land and potentially minimized damage.   

1: Yeah, so like I said: technically a threat.

 

2: Well, the mages are more responsible than the Crown is: the Crown made the decision to accept the mages into Ferelden, and it's the mages that proceeded to repay them poorly for this. Though I admit that Teagan's logic that the Inquisition is responsible for their debts is questionable. Still: like I said, the Crown may not have the money Teagan needs. And Teagan does need to get this money from somewhere, if he doesn't already have it. He's trying to rebuild a house and make his peasants' crop loss good before winter. (If he does have the money, but wants reimbursement, that's also understandable if not necessarily just.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

2: Well, the mages are more responsible than the Crown is: the Crown made the decision to accept the mages into Ferelden, and it's the mages that proceeded to repay them poorly for this. Though I admit that Teagan's logic that the Inquisition is responsible for their debts is questionable. Still: like I said, the Crown may not have the money Teagan needs. And Teagan does need to get this money from somewhere, if he doesn't already have it. He's trying to rebuild a house and make his peasants' crop loss good before winter. (If he does have the money, but wants reimbursement, that's also understandable if not necessarily just.)

I would say mages are just as guilty as crown is at least when we don't involve mages selling Redcliffe to Tevinter what wasn't thing Teagan demanded money for. Crown knew or at least should knew that providing shelter to the mages would mean that Templars would follow and that would equal damage and Crown knew that mages are dangerous as well so by sheltering them they embraced all risk that came with giving shelter to the mages.

 

I get it that guy smelled easy way to get money for screw up on their part from outside party (i would pretty much myself went for such opportunity), but it still doesn't make his claims fair nor even sensible.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I would say mages are just as guilty as crown is at least when we don't involve mages selling Redcliffe to Tevinter what wasn't thing Teagan demanded money for. Crown knew or at least should knew that providing shelter to the mages would mean that Templars would follow and that would equal damage and Crown knew that mages are dangerous as well so by sheltering them they embraced all risk that came with giving shelter to the mages.

 

I get it that guy smelled easy way to get money for screw up on their part from outside party (i would pretty much myself went for such opportunity), but it still doesn't make his claims fair nor even sensible.

I actually find I agree with most of that, though with the minor quibble that Teagan doesn't seem to be specifically asking for reparations for Templar action. In fact I don't know if any of the things he mentions specifically require there to have been Templars present at the time. And if he really was asking that the mages be held responsible for collateral damage the area suffered during battle his letter left out quite a few things. So, he really does seem to be either footing the bill for the Templars' actions, sending it to the Crown, or (and this I don't want to believe) letting the peasants work it out.

[kimgoold]

That he doesn't ask for reparations from the inquisition if they are allied (or disbanded) the templars was probably a cultural bias, mages evil - templars good even when said templars are raping and murdering innocent non-mage travelers.

Also I think as the templars are a branch of the Chantry, Teagan would have to petition the Chantry for reimbursement and good luck with that! The church (ahem Chantry) is there to rake in money not pay out to anyone.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That he doesn't ask for reparations from the inquisition if they are allied (or disbanded) the templars was probably a cultural bias, mages evil - templars good even when said templars are raping and murdering innocent non-mage travelers.

Well, while you could argue that Fiona is responsible for the splinter organization in the Hinterlands (since the manifesto she wrote to justify herself in starting this whole #($)storm said she would handle exactly this), and you could more easily argue that the Templars are responsible for their splinter organization since they're supposed to be a disciplined paramilitary organization that can shut crap like that down, Teagan's actual message implies that the damage he seeks the money to repair was from sheltering the rebel mages. Therefore, he's probably going after you for things that Fiona's group (these being the ones he sheltered) actually did or that he thinks they actually did. He would be justified in blaming Fiona for the Hinterlands mages (arguably) and however justified you feel he is in going after the Inquisition's money over Fiona's actions you could argue he's not much less justified going after them over the Hinterlands mages for that reason. However, he doesn't seem to be knowingly doing that.

 

And if he's not knowingly going after you for the Hinterland Mages if you go to Redcliffe, there's no reason to go after you at all if you go to Therinfal. The main force of Templars apparently never even set foot in Redcliffe. If he held you responsible for things he knew were the fault of the Hinterland Mages if you recruited the main force, then you could argue bias. To all appearances he does not.

 

 

Also I think as the templars are a branch of the Chantry, Teagan would have to petition the Chantry for reimbursement and good luck with that! The church (ahem Chantry) is there to rake in money not pay out to anyone.

Calling the Templars a branch of the Chantry is a really questionable assertion by this point in the story.

[Andromelek]

Im not in good relations with both pro-mages and pro-templars with first group because im not very pro-mage (understatement) with second group because they see my solution too extreme neither was able to prove that my solution wouldn't work going even with ridiculous arguments that mages will be born again despite my solution is all about solving that issue.
 
Once again you try reverse it on me despite we have been here before , you were one making statements that Ferelden didn't ask for returning their land that on what i responded "how do you know they didn't" , later (before that you have tried do the same thing you are trying to do here) you tried support your claim with inquisitor acting suprised by Teagan accusations what i refuted.   
 
Also i didn't ignore your point about tournament i said it was ridiculous , what was your point just because Teagan offered Inquisition participation in tournament where price was title but inqiusition didn't won, Teagan should be fine with Inquisition seizing their land without their permission? Also what king messing with another country business you mean and how it does even contribute here? 
 
And? For Teagan there was need (if inquisitor refused to pay reparations) , do you want to tell me that only sensible people go to the court , nor this change it into Teagan threatening Inquisitor with an army rather than taking matter to the court.Under normal circumstances obviously any sane monarch would chose to support own people over foreign forces , under unusual circumstances depends on monarch and needless to say circumstances wern't normal.

So you are suggesting that basically whoever arguments against you is automatically wrong (If I recall correctly the thread you have mentioned, you said you would slay all mages, then someone said that it would be useless because there can be mages born even if the parents weren't mages and not was until later that you claimed that the children would be killed too, so, no, that wasn't a "ridiculous" argument.)

Read it again, I said that your argument wouldn't go further without evidence, I even was sarcastic on your answer in case you didn't notice it, if I didn't went further in that matter is because I know that you are so stubborn that you can begin wall posts around arguments that don't have any evidence to remain.

His main problem is a foreign organization that has an army and it's settled on Fereldan/Orlesian borders, Inquisition occupying Fereldan lands and Inquisition having Wardens are arguments he use to support his main point, which loses any sense if he was ok with same foreign power seizing of Fereldan land on a "legal way". What King? King on turn that went to Kirkwall trying to earn influence through the Champion, whose mercenary killed an Antivan prince and also who assisted the Qunari on an onslaught to Seheron, regardless the context of each, none of those is legal, so he shouldn't be whining about the Inquisition "messing" on his country without permission if he has done the same without paying for it.

No, also corrupt morons who have the court on their side go to court, and it's practically what's going on here, he actually doesn't have problems with money since he has enough to track down drunk Alistair and was also stated that he had money to pay his "nephew's" mercenaries. No need to say that the mages screwed around when they were Alistair/Anora responsibility since you already reached that point, if anyone should pay reparations is the useless Crown.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I actually find I agree with most of that, though with the minor quibble that Teagan doesn't seem to be specifically asking for reparations for Templar action. In fact I don't know if any of the things he mentions specifically require there to have been Templars present at the time. And if he really was asking that the mages be held responsible for collateral damage the area suffered during battle his letter left out quite a few things. So, he really does seem to be either footing the bill for the Templars' actions, sending it to the Crown, or (and this I don't want to believe) letting the peasants work it out.

I myself wonder why he didn't ask for money in case of recruit templars despite they had their fair share in causing havok in redcliffe even though group in redcliffe were renegades.

 

 

So you are suggesting that basically whoever arguments against you is automatically wrong (If I recall correctly the thread you have mentioned, you said you would slay all mages, then someone said that it would be useless because there can be mages born even if the parents weren't mages and not was until later that you claimed that the children would be killed too, so, no, that wasn't a "ridiculous" argument.)

Read it again, I said that your argument wouldn't go further without evidence, I even was sarcastic on your answer in case you didn't notice it, if I didn't went further in that matter is because I know that you are so stubborn that you can begin wall posts around arguments that don't have any evidence to remain.

His main problem is a foreign organization that has an army and it's settled on Fereldan/Orlesian borders, Inquisition occupying Fereldan lands and Inquisition having Wardens are arguments he use to support his main point, which loses any sense if he was ok with same foreign power seizing of Fereldan land on a "legal way". What King? King on turn that went to Kirkwall trying to earn influence through the Champion, whose mercenary killed an Antivan prince and also who assisted the Qunari on an onslaught to Seheron, regardless the context of each, none of those is legal, so he shouldn't be whining about the Inquisition "messing" on his country without permission if he has done the same without paying for it.

No, also corrupt morons who have the court on their side go to court, and it's practically what's going on here, he actually doesn't have problems with money since he has enough to track down drunk Alistair and was also stated that he had money to pay his "nephew's" mercenaries. No need to say that the mages screwed around when they were Alistair/Anora responsibility since you already reached that point, if anyone should pay reparations is the useless Crown.

 

Pretty much yes. Also yes , that argument was stupid because aside from fact that my entire solution resolves around creating system and order that would deal with mages it should be obvious that im talking about active hunt on mages ,then pretty much sure i did said many times that it was my intention.

 

Once again, you were one making claims thus you should be one to provide evidence to support your claims ,you tried to so but i refuted it. We are here for third time.

 

That is ridiculous ,you compare acquiring land legally and with government consent to foreign army occupying lands that don't belong to them.Also stuff you are saying about Alistair actions is ridiculous first Alistair didn't do anything with Hawke outside meeting with him , second said Antivan prince himself lured him with evidence of Maric being kidnapped and tried to kidnap Alistair so yes it was his business , third said onslaugh was being carried on guy that kidnapped Ferelden King and tried brainwash entire world so yes it was his business. Also by your insane logic Orlais should be fine with being invaded because they invaded Ferelden , that is not even remotely how country management works because that you are spying on another country by any mean doesn't mean that you should be fine with another country spying on you.  

 

And no of that changes what we discussed earlier, now you are discuss that it wasn't fair what i never claimed was. 

[Andromelek]

Pretty much yes. Also yes , that argument was stupid because aside from fact that my entire solution resolves around creating system and order that would deal with mages it should be obvious that im talking about active hunt on mages ,then pretty much sure i did said many times that it was my intention.
 
Once again, you were one making claims thus you should be one to provide evidence to support your claims ,you tried to so but i refuted it. We are here for third time.
 
That is ridiculous ,you compare acquiring land legally and with government consent to foreign army occupying lands that don't belong to them.Also stuff you are saying about Alistair actions is ridiculous first Alistair didn't do anything with Hawke outside meeting with him , second said Antivan prince himself lured him with evidence of Maric being kidnapped and tried to kidnap Alistair so yes it was his business , third said onslaugh was being carried on guy that kidnapped Ferelden King and tried brainwash entire world so yes it was his business. Also by your insane logic Orlais should be fine with being invaded because they invaded Ferelden , that is not even remotely how country management works because that you are spying on another country by any mean doesn't mean that you should be fine with another country spying on you.  
 
And no of that changes what we discussed earlier, now you are discuss that it wasn't fair what i never claimed was.

And then you wonder why no one takes you serious nor find productive any discussion with you.

With lack of evidence for me seems to point that they didn't made such claims public prior the council, so, unless you have an actual proof of the contrary I'll disregard your argument.

Thing is that their main complaint is Inquisition being a foreign power and acquiring lands legally and with government consent wouldn't change that, which makes their complaint incongruent by making such invitation earlier. On Alistair's matter, if he couldn't get what he wanted on Kirkwall was because Meredith catched him first, I also said regardless the context, if you are going to consider context, then Alexius settle up a trap for the Inquisitor and the bandits on Crestwood attacked first, yet if it's not legal the Inquisition being present on Fereldan lands neither it's a Fereldan King killing Antivan nobility and aiding Qunari to seize of Tevinter lands, worths nothing that Titus was a cultist who had Maric prisoner because Titus still being Tevinter, the Qunari still being enemies of Tevinter and Maric was declared dead long ago.

Pretty sure I've been claiming it was unfair the whole time thus they shouldn't have a face to come and argue that my organization should be disbanded.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And then you wonder why no one takes you serious nor find productive any discussion with you.

With lack of evidence for me seems to point that they didn't made such claims public prior the council, so, unless you have an actual proof of the contrary I'll disregard your argument.

Thing is that their main complaint is Inquisition being a foreign power and acquiring lands legally and with government consent wouldn't change that, which makes their complaint incongruent by making such invitation earlier. On Alistair's matter, if he couldn't get what he wanted on Kirkwall was because Meredith catched him first, I also said regardless the context, if you are going to consider context, then Alexius settle up a trap for the Inquisitor and the bandits on Crestwood attacked first, yet if it's not legal the Inquisition being present on Fereldan lands neither it's a Fereldan King killing Antivan nobility and aiding Qunari to seize of Tevinter lands, worths nothing that Titus was a cultist who had Maric prisoner because Titus still being Tevinter, the Qunari still being enemies of Tevinter and Maric was declared dead long ago.

Pretty sure I've been claiming it was unfair the whole time thus they shouldn't have a face to come and argue that my organization should be disbanded.

 

Only people with ridiculous and weak arguments do that.

 

Eee, you yourself have no evidence on the matter that was not addressed so you can't make claims whether they did or didn't.So you are once again being ridiculous with "oh, i will make claim that i can't prove and when questioned about it i will say if you can't prove im wrong im right".

 

Of course, it wouldn't have changed it because even if Inquistor was given lands by Ferelden Inquisition would still occupy lands that don't belong to them, interfere in matters of Ferelden, disrespect Ferelden authorities and laws and pose threat to ferelden and acquiring land doesn't by any mean nullifies that, it is ridiculous that i have to explain that. In first place you have no idea what he wanted from Champion so once again you can't back up claims (in fact even if he did it still wouldn't help you in any way), also yes context does matter that Inquisition was attacked by bandits doesn't excuse seizing keep and using it to spy on Ferelden all it would justify is self-defense nor Alexious when he is either long dead or gone justifies remaining in Redcliffe.It is not about being legal or illegal (kind of) ,it is about what is best for nation interests i recommend to read this.Also once again Titus was threat to Ferelden (and every other country) including kidnapping king of Ferelden and wanted to kidnap current king , while i already have explained said noble tried to abduct king of Ferelden aside from fact if i recall he wasn't even killed by Alistair.

 

You argued about threats toward Inquisition, and no this isn't that how politics work as you seem have no idea read link above and there is matter that in instance you are talking about Teagan represented his own private interests as Arl of Redcliffe and in Tresspasser he represented Ferelden intrests as an ambassador. 

[Andromelek]

Only people with ridiculous and weak arguments do that.

Eee, you yourself have no evidence on the matter that was not addressed so you can't make claims whether they did or didn't.So you are once again being ridiculous with "oh, i will make claim that i can't prove and when questioned about it i will say if you can't prove im wrong im right".

Of course, it wouldn't have changed it because even if Inquistor was given lands by Ferelden Inquisition would still occupy lands that don't belong to them, interfere in matters of Ferelden, disrespect Ferelden authorities and laws and pose threat to ferelden and acquiring land doesn't by any mean nullifies that, it is ridiculous that i have to explain that. In first place you have no idea what he wanted from Champion so once again you can't back up claims (in fact even if he did it still wouldn't help you in any way), also yes context does matter that Inquisition was attacked by bandits doesn't excuse seizing keep and using it to spy on Ferelden all it would justify is self-defense nor Alexious when he is either long dead or gone justifies remaining in Redcliffe.It is not about being legal or illegal (kind of) ,it is about what is best for nation interests i recommend to read this.Also once again Titus was threat to Ferelden (and every other country) including kidnapping king of Ferelden and wanted to kidnap current king , while i already have explained said noble tried to abduct king of Ferelden aside from fact if i recall he wasn't even killed by Alistair.

You argued about threats toward Inquisition, and no this isn't that how politics work as you seem have no idea read link above and there is matter that in instance you are talking about Teagan represented his own private interests as Arl of Redcliffe and in Tresspasser he represented Ferelden intrests as an ambassador.

Most of people I've seen arguing with you posts more coherent arguments and at least are capable to maintaining a debate without "lols" emoticons or accusing the counterpart of "insane logic".

Oh yes, how dare the Inquisition? I forgot that we were breaking their laws while saving their arses, next time we should ask permission and let them drown in the meantime. So far as I recall his plan was use Hawke's influence to get the mages out of there thus disrespecting Meredith's authority, even if I'm wrong on his goal, he definitely was about to do something without permission of any authority on Kirkwall. As I said context goes the same way for Inquisition, had Alexius succeeded the world would be torn apart, and the Qunari didn't return terrain they won thanks to Alistair, and again, Maric captive is irrelevant, Loghain declared him dead after having spent years and a fortune to track him and couldn't find any clue. also I find odd calling out for Realpolitik , under that logic, the Inquisition is a bigger fish than Ferelden, meaning that they can invade it when they please, Ferelden interests are also irrelevant any country's interest will go against another's. And no, he didn't kill Claudio but the mercenary he hired did, so he is responsible for that.

No matter how mild it is, it remains as a threat, but you are speaking of "Realpolitik" aren't you? Well, then he threatened Inquisition when it had no power but now he is the small fish and I have nothing to care about it.

Edit: About spies, I don't remember that being part of Teagan's accusations but I remember that it was thanks to spies that Ferelden Monarch was saved and that also Monarch asked to unveil Venatori agents.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Oh yes, how dare the Inquisition? I forgot that we were breaking their laws while saving their arses, next time we should ask permission and let them drown in the meantime.

I was under the impression that most of their objection to all of this was that you were continuing to do so after the threat had passed.

[Andromelek]

I was under the impression that most of their objection to all of this was that you were continuing to do so after the threat had passed.

I was addressing "interference in matters of Ferelden" one thing is occupation and other is interference.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Most of people I've seen arguing with you posts more coherent arguments and at least are capable to maintaining a debate without "lols" emoticons or accusing the counterpart of "insane logic".

Oh yes, how dare the Inquisition? I forgot that we were breaking their laws while saving their arses, next time we should ask permission and let them drown in the meantime. So far as I recall his plan was use Hawke's influence to get the mages out of there thus disrespecting Meredith's authority, even if I'm wrong on his goal, he definitely was about to do something without permission of any authority on Kirkwall. As I said context goes the same way for Inquisition, had Alexius succeeded the world would be torn apart, and the Qunari didn't return terrain they won thanks to Alistair, and again, Maric captive is irrelevant, Loghain declared him dead after having spent years and a fortune to track him and couldn't find any clue. also I find odd calling out for Realpolitik , under that logic, the Inquisition is a bigger fish than Ferelden, meaning that they can invade it when they please, Ferelden interests are also irrelevant any country's interest will go against another's. And no, he didn't kill Claudio but the mercenary he hired did, so he is responsible for that.

No matter how mild it is, it remains as a threat, but you are speaking of "Realpolitik" aren't you? Well, then he threatened Inquisition when it had no power but now he is the small fish and I have nothing to care about it.

Edit: About spies, I don't remember that being part of Teagan's accusations but I remember that it was thanks to spies that Ferelden Monarch was saved and that also Monarch asked to unveil Venatori agents.

Not rly , and only because because everything was ok with my arguments.

 

Yes, no any sane government would allow foreign force continue to do so. Once again you live in fantasy that if you are helping/helped someone you are allowed to do whatever you want and person have to comply. Then you recall wrong, it was never stated for what reasons he wanted meet with Hawke and even if so once again nothing prevents monarchs with creating an alliance or taking sides.LoL, way to completely ignore what i have said and return to ridiculous claims, once again Alexius was long dead or imprisoned so by any mean it wasn't good excuse to keep occupying Hinterlands even 2 years after Corypheus died.What qunari do is their business and yes helding Maric does matter as Marric is an important Ferelden figure then once again said person tried abduct current Ferelden king and posed threat to Entire world including Ferelden.Once again it is ridiculous that Loghain declared Maric dead doesn't change fact Maric is alive and guy kidnapped him.<Facepalm> Do you know what even realpolitik is and no it isn't let them invade us... and no they aren't irrelevant because they are revelant to Ferelden and that is what here matters.And it still doesn't matter considering that he tried abduct Alistair and mercenary killed him in self-defense.    

 

Not rly ,you are jumping around now , you claimed that he threatened inquisition with sending an army on them.Also you do , you couldn't just ignore council and Ferelden would have no position in it.By the end of the day Inquisition is either disbaned or at least vastly shrinked so Ferelden got what they wanted even if to a lesser degree. 

 

It goes figure that having spies and spying on ferelden poses threat to Ferelden what is one of main concerns of the Ferelden, doesn't matter they helped King allowing foreign to spy on you is dumb.

[Master Warder Z_]

I was under the impression that most of their objection to all of this was that you were continuing to do so after the threat had passed.

And?

Who cares what Fereldan thinks, not even most of their citizens, that's who.

[Andromelek]

Not rly , and only because because everything was ok with my arguments.

Yes, no any sane government would allow foreign force continue to do so. Once again you live in fantasy that if you are helping/helped someone you are allowed to do whatever you want and person have to comply. Then you recall wrong, it was never stated for what reasons he wanted meet with Hawke and even if so once again nothing prevents monarchs with creating an alliance or taking sides.LoL, way to completely ignore what i have said and return to ridiculous claims, once again Alexius was long dead or imprisoned so by any mean it wasn't good excuse to keep occupying Hinterlands even 2 years after Corypheus died.What qunari do is their business and yes helding Maric does matter as Marric is an important Ferelden figure then once again said person tried abduct current Ferelden king and posed threat to Entire world including Ferelden.Once again it is ridiculous that Loghain declared Maric dead doesn't change fact Maric is alive and guy kidnapped him.<Facepalm> Do you know what even realpolitik is and no it isn't let them invade us... and no they aren't irrelevant because they are revelant to Ferelden and that is what here matters.And it still doesn't matter considering that he tried abduct Alistair and mercenary killed him in self-defense.

Not rly ,you are jumping around now , you claimed that he threatened inquisition with sending an army on them.Also you do , you couldn't just ignore council and Ferelden would have no position in it.By the end of the day Inquisition is either disbaned or at least vastly shrinked so Ferelden got what they wanted even if to a lesser degree.

It goes figure that having spies and spying on ferelden poses threat to Ferelden what is one of main concerns of the Ferelden, doesn't matter they helped King allowing foreign to spy on you is dumb.

And I said that even if I was wrong on his goal whatever he wanted to do was without Kirkwall's authority consent, also, Hawke is not a political power on Kirkwall, so it can't be called an alliance, that's rather an instigator. You also seem to forget that the forces on Hinterlands didn't have a fortified settlement and that they were rather taking care of the people that Ferelden's government just ignored, Titus also needed Alistair to fulfill his plan, so he risked the whole world by running right to him when he's pretty much incapable to fight something more powerful than him without dying or getting his ass saved by someone, And yes, Maric is irrelevant, he ended dead and the only proofs that could be used to support story would be the word of a dwarf and the word of a Magister that most of the others dislike and it's also related to the dwarf. Yes, I know what Realpolitik is, problem here is that you seem to believe that only Ferelden can apply such concepts, as well as the interests that apply for both parties.

Yes he did, it's obvious that a monarch doesn't come alone and that not only has a political relationship with him but also familiar and both possible monarchs are waaay biased when comes to matters of family, so again, even if it was a judgment, the outcome is obvious because the judge is corrupt.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And I said that even if I was wrong on his goal whatever he wanted to do was without Kirkwall's authority consent, also, Hawke is not a political power on Kirkwall, so it can't be called an alliance, that's rather an instigator. You also seem to forget that the forces on Hinterlands didn't have a fortified settlement and that they were rather the people that Ferelden's government just ignored, Titus also needed Alistair to fulfill his plan, so he risked the whole world by running right to him when he's pretty much incapable to fight something more powerful than him without dying or getting his ass saved by someone, And yes, Maric is irrelevant, he ended dead and the only proofs that could be used to support story would be the word of a dwarf and the word of a Magister that most of the others dislike and it's also related to the dwarf. Yes, I know what Realpolitik is, problem here is that you seem to believe that only Ferelden can apply such concepts, as well as the interests that apply for both parties.

Yes he did, it's obvious that a monarch doesn't come alone and that not only has a political relationship with him but also familiar and both possible monarchs are waaay biased when comes to matters of family, so again, even if it was a judgment, the outcome is obvious because the judge is corrupt.

 

And you don't know what he wanted thus your point is irrelevant, also yes Hawke is politcal power he was second most powerful figure in kirkwall when it comes to political power that many nobles favored to viscount seat nor once again Alistair instigated anyone making it nothing more than another fiction you try present to me.You are jumping around once again from 1 ridiculous excuse to another, that inquisition didn't have keep in hinterlands still doesn't change fact that that forgein forces keep their military forces inside country border on someone lands.Irrelevant doesn't change fact that stoping Titus was by any mean Ferelden interest as he was threat for Ferelden and its monarch ,and yes once again Marric is revelant because once again he is an important figure in Ferelden and to be short he is king of Ferelden went missing nor fact that Alistair didn't manage to save him will change fact that rescuing him and dealing with his kidnapper was Ferelden business.No, you don't problem is that you fail to grasp basic concepts how politics works thus your indignation and claims that Ferelden wasn't justified in its concerns ,also yes i know it applies to every country but we discuss Ferelden not other countries.

 

Once again you entirely ignored what i said before and now once again i have say we have been here before i have already repelled your claims that he threatened inquisition with sending an army , once again taking matter to the court isn't by any mean sending an army thus once again it is nothing more than your fanfiction. Nor you know even outcome of trial thus you can't say that judge is corrupted , nor in fact result even matters because Teagan still didn't intend send an army only take you to the court. 
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[Andromelek]

And you don't know what he wanted thus your point is irrelevant, also yes Hawke is politcal power he was second most powerful figure in kirkwall when it comes to political power that many nobles favored to viscount seat nor once again Alistair instigated anyone making it nothing more than another fiction you try present to me.You are jumping around once again from 1 ridiculous excuse to another, that inquisition didn't have keep in hinterlands still doesn't change fact that that forgein forces keep their military forces inside country border on someone lands.Irrelevant doesn't change fact that stoping Titus was by any mean Ferelden interest as he was threat for Ferelden and its monarch ,and yes once again Marric is revelant because once again he is an important figure in Ferelden and to be short he is king of Ferelden went missing nor fact that Alistair didn't manage to save him will change fact that rescuing him and dealing with his kidnapper was Ferelden business.No, you don't problem is that you fail to grasp basic concepts how politics works thus your indignation and claims that Ferelden wasn't justified in its concerns ,also yes i know it applies to every country but we discuss Ferelden not other countries.

Once again you entirely ignored what i said before and now once again i have say we have been here before i have already repelled your claims that he threatened inquisition with sending an army , once again taking matter to the court isn't by any mean sending an army thus once again it is nothing more than your fanfiction. Nor you know even outcome of trial thus you can't say that judge is corrupted , nor in fact result even matters because Teagan still didn't intend send an army only take you to the court.
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Since you began to mistype and make use of your immature expressions to repeat the same arguments over and over again about two posts ago I think this discussion it's over. It's not my fault that your arguments often kill themselves with your logic, nor that you are unable to difference between a public and a political figure or recognize implicit threats, now if you excuse me, I have better things to do than answer to someone who seems to have the mentality of a spoilt brat.

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[TheKomandorShepard]

Since you began to mistype and make use of your immature expressions to repeat the same arguments over and over again about two posts ago I think this discussion it's over. It's not my fault that your arguments often kill themselves with your logic, nor that you are unable to difference between a public and a political figure or recognize implicit threats, now if you excuse me, I have better things to do than answer to someone who seems to have the mentality of a spoilt brat.

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Of course, nice excuse.

Simply, i repeat same argument over and over because you do the same despite i repeal your insane arguments that does not hold any water.No it isn't your fault because im not doing that, your arguments are just terrible like trying to excuse occupation of Hinterlands with Alexius despite Alexius was dealt with more than 2 years ago what is nothing more than insanity, worst part most of your arguments operate on same level as that, or is just plain fanfiction.   

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And?

Who cares what Fereldan thinks, not even most of their citizens, that's who.

Without getting into whether or not anyone should care, what I'm saying is that I think Andromelek was misrepresenting Ferelden's point. I think if you care enough to concede that they have opinions, you should try to get those opinions right.

[Master Warder Z_]

Without getting into whether or not anyone should care, what I'm saying is that I think Andromelek was misrepresenting Ferelden's point. I think if you care enough to concede that they have opinions, you should try to get those opinions right.

 

I and I think letting the Inquisition get talked down to by a pisspot nation like that is insulting

[Medhia_Nox]

I was under the impression that most of their objection to all of this was that you were continuing to do so after the threat had passed.

Regrettably - so long as Ferelden is in the hands of people like Teagen... the threat will never pass. 

[dragonflight288]

Regrettably - so long as Ferelden is in the hands of people like Teagen... the threat will never pass. 

 

The threat of Corypheus, the man and face that gave the Inquisition legitimacy in defending the Inquisitor as the not-guilty party, had been.

 

Sadly, the threat of political stupidity is universal, no matter the country, and never goes away.