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[Dabrikishaw]

That guy is an ugly impostor.

He actually looks like Rendon Howe now.

[Nefla]

He actually looks like Rendon Howe now.

Teagan...deserved...more!

[ThePhoenixKing]

Yeah I found his complaints to mostly be unreasonable and he seemed very out of character. That said I didn't have a problem with him being anti Inquisition, that could have been an interesting twist if the writing had been better. Making somewhat unreasonable complaints like the one about that keep in crestwood is the sort of things politicians do but the Grey Warden stuff made no sense at all. Grey Wardens saved him and all of Ferelden from a situation that was caused by a man who unfairly blamed the Grey Wardens for his crimes and painted them as mistrustful traitors. 

 

His fears are understandable, The Inquisition is a powerful military force on the borders of Ferelden. They have many allies, the support of the common people and a strong presence within ferelden whilst also being closely tied to the Orlesian throne. So yeah, while people don't expect Teagan to be the guy who opposes the PC it makes perfect sense for him to be. He has a reason to fear the Inquisition, where as Orlais has much less of one, especially now that the threat of Corypheus is gone. 

 

So idk why they chose to do it the way they did. 

 

Exactly. I don't necessarily mind Teagan having an issue with the Inquisition; on paper, there's a fair amount he could be concerned about. It's just that the writers did it in the most out of character and stupid way possible. Maybe Crazy Steve got tired of impersonating Anders, and decided to be a noble for a change?

[GoldenGail3]

Really? Wow. I thought there were tons more in Orlais and the Anderfels and the rest of Thedas.

 

The Warden only got to represent the Wardens, in so much as you made it up as you went along, for a year or three before the Order re-established itself.

Fine, ill put in simpler terms. All Ferelden Grey Wardens died at Ostagar and two were left standing, and by the way. That was only because of the HOF taking time to kill the Archdemon, whom was swooping over Ferelden at the time, so really, two newbies got stuck in the worse place possible, nobody was gonna help them, they weren't allowed into Ferelden at the time (Teryn Loghain declared it so). The Order would've never restated itself in Ferelden without the HOF existence, so yeah, i guess the only two living GW's in Ferelden were to represent that the GW in Ferelden still lived (the HOF became a Grey Warden Commander if they did the DA so, yeah, they did represent during the Blight)

[Nixou]

When he started hating on the Wardens, I lost any respect for him. Ungrateful bastard.

 

Wasn't that posturing on his part more than his real feelings on the matter. It seems Ferelden want to dissolve the Inquisition because they believe it will eventually becomes an extention of Orlais if allowed to keep going.

[Qun00]

Teagan has received the Anders treatment, I see.

[Bethgael]

Don't hate Teagan.

Do hate what Bioware did to him. Totally OOC for him to act as he did--both the letter he sent in DA:I and in this.

[Bethgael]

Exactly. I don't necessarily mind Teagan having an issue with the Inquisition; on paper, there's a fair amount he could be concerned about. It's just that the writers did it in the most out of character and stupid way possible.

Yes. This. Exactly.

[Ulathar]

Teagan...deserved...more!

Brilliant.

[Ynqve]

And as i said it doesn't not matter and doesn't change fact that order wasn't involved.I can claim i act on behalf of police doesn't mean i do or police is involved ,and no it wasn't granted him by the order by any mean ,only by himself/herself.

 

And no HoF isn't not by any mean symbol of the order pretty much HoF can be far away from what grey wardens represent. Fact HoF is heroic/villainous won't make grey wardens any of those...

 

You can claim that you act on behalf of the police if you are a police wearing a police uniform showing identification that says that you are a police. And lol the Wardens don't represent anything but opposition to the blight. Some are heroic, some are villainous. The word "grey" kind of implies that there's good and bad in the order, no?

 

And that is going to be my last word on the subject, it's pointless debating this with you. 

[Illegitimus]

Teagan was such a douchebag in Trespasser - the Inquisition freed Redcliffe from the Venatori agents after he was basically kicked from his own castle and restored order in the Hinterlands, he should have been more grateful for that at least. But I guess that's politics for you.

 

My interpretation is that was precisely what tipped Teagan over into hostility toward the Inquisition.  They weren't there to help him.  They were there to save the precise mages who had turned Redcliffe over to the Vints, if only so those mages could then be used against the breach.  Even if the Inquisitor drafted the mages,  the mages paid no price for what they'd done beyond a return to the pre-bellum status quo.  And if they offered the mages full membership...even worse.  From that point on he regarded the Inquisition as a necessary evil to be put up with only as long as truly necessary.

[The Baconer]

My interpretation is that was precisely what tipped Teagan over into hostility toward the Inquisition.  They weren't there to help him.  They were there to save the precise mages who had turned Redcliffe over to the Vints, if only so those mages could then be used against the breach.  Even if the Inquisitor drafted the mages,  the mages paid no price for what they'd done beyond a return to the pre-bellum status quo.  And if they offered the mages full membership...even worse.  From that point on he regarded the Inquisition as a necessary evil to be put up with only as long as truly necessary.

 

Before mage recruitment is even on the table, the Inquisition is in the surrounding area removing outlaws and providing aid to refugees who were not receiving protection from the crown or from Teagan.

[Illegitimus]

Before mage recruitment is even on the table, the Inquisition is in the surrounding area removing outlaws and providing aid to refugees who were not receiving protection from the crown or from Teagan.

 

...uh-hunh.  Teagan wasn't there and that wouldn't make a difference to him if he was.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

You can claim that you act on behalf of the police if you are a police wearing a police uniform showing identification that says that you are a police. And lol the Wardens don't represent anything but opposition to the blight. Some are heroic, some are villainous. The word "grey" kind of implies that there's good and bad in the order, no?

 

And that is going to be my last word on the subject, it's pointless debating this with you. 

Yes and that doesn't mean once again you do act on their behalf... Oh of course, the warden is mindless drone that shouts grey wardens values.

Not ,rly while true for individual members being heroic and villainous isn't what order stands for ,order in first place is anti-heroic and deviations in the form of individual members doesn't reflect order as order doesn't reflect such individuals unless you want to tell me that grey warden order actions in Dai reflect every HoF.  

 

Well your call ,but it is clear that you have no arguments and try push ridiculous statment that one individual that acts on their own means they reflect order.  

[GoldenGail3]

Yes and that doesn't mean once again you do act on their behalf... Oh of course, the warden is mindless drone that shouts grey wardens values.
Not ,rly while true for individual members being heroic and villainous isn't what order stands for ,order in first place is anti-heroic and deviations in the form of individual members doesn't reflect order as order doesn't reflect such individuals unless you want to tell me that grey warden order actions in Dai reflect every HoF.  
 
Well your call ,but it is clear that you have no arguments and try push ridiculous statment that one individual that acts on their own means they reflect order.

Have you played DAO?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Have you played DAO?

Yes ,and i didn't saw there order acting against blight after Ostagar i saw single individual acting without any support from order against blight.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Yes ,and i didn't saw there order acting against blight after Ostagar i saw single individual acting without any support from order against blight.

What? The HOF and Alistair may not represent the Order as a whole but they are both Grey Wardens and they did stop the 5th blight... So one would think that Teagan would have a little more respect for the Order. Really, if he was going to complain about anything to do with wardens then it should have been about recent events instead of ones that happened ages ago.

Honestly, I think your argument stems from you not liking the Order very much. I'm not a fan of it myself but your argument is kind of... off. We all know why the Order didn't send reinforcements in droves during the blight, it's been stated in this thread quite a few times by other posters.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

What? The HOF and Alistair may not represent the Order as a whole but they are both Grey Wardens and they did stop the 5th blight... So one would think that Teagan would have a little more respect for the Order. Really, if he was going to complain about anything to do with wardens then it should have been about recent events instead of ones that happened ages ago.

Honestly, I think your argument stems from you not liking the Order very much. I'm not a fan of it myself but your argument is kind of... off. We all know why the Order didn't send reinforcements in droves during the blight, it's been stated in this thread quite a few times by other posters.

 

KomandorShepard has clearly forgotten DAO so allow me to refresh his mind.

 

In DAO, your character, regardless of origin or sex, is called Warden or Warden Commander. This is true even after all the Wardens except Alistair was killed at Ostagar. When your character in DAO participates in the Proving as a Grey Warden, they are called representatives of the Order of Grey Wardens.

 

You character and their actions were representative of the Grey Wardens, whether you like it or not. The people perceive it as such.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What? The HOF and Alistair may not represent the Order as a whole but they are both Grey Wardens and they did stop the 5th blight... So one would think that Teagan would have a little more respect for the Order. Really, if he was going to complain about anything to do with wardens then it should have been about recent events instead of ones that happened ages ago.

Honestly, I think your argument stems from you not liking the Order very much. I'm not a fan of it myself but your argument is kind of... off. We all know why the Order didn't send reinforcements in droves during the blight, it's been stated in this thread quite a few times by other posters.

Alistair and HoF stopped blight individually not as/with order.Teagan owes order nothing he owes it HoF ,order didn't contribute to HoF success plain and simple and HoF succeeded on his/her own without help from the order.

 

That implies that i hate grey wardens and that isn't in case but no i don't support order that well proved to be unstable and dangerous.Once again now you are playing in justifying why order had no part in fifth blight not simple fact it didn't.

 

 

KomandorShepard has clearly forgotten DAO so allow me to refresh his mind.

 

In DAO, your character, regardless of origin or sex, is called Warden or Warden Commander. This is true even after all the Wardens except Alistair was killed at Ostagar. When your character in DAO participates in the Proving as a Grey Warden, they are called representatives of the Order of Grey Wardens.

 

You character and their actions were representative of the Grey Wardens, whether you like it or not. The people perceive it as such.

 

No i didn't.In first place HoF attitude toward warden is dependent on the player.Second as im saying HoF was 1 individual that acted on their own without order consent and any form of support from the order that didn't contribute to HoF mission.That people see you as Herald of Andraste doesn't mean you are Herald of Andraste. 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

No i didn't.In first place HoF attitude toward warden is dependent on the player.Second as im saying HoF was 1 individual that acted on their own without order consent and any form of support from the order that didn't contribute to HoF mission.That people see you as Herald of Andraste doesn't mean you are Herald of Andraste. 

 

 

Right of Conscription ? Ancient Grey Warden treaties ? Where did Duncan come from then ? Thin air ?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Right of Conscription ? Ancient Grey Warden treaties ? Where did Duncan come from then ? Thin air ?

Pancakes?Butter?

 

In first place what those have to do with anything i was saying ,none of those makes order involved with what HoF was doing...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Pancakes?Butter?

 

In first place what those have to do with anything i was saying ,none of those makes order involved with what HoF was doing...

 

So the treaties the Hero of Ferelden used to obtain the alliances were not the work of the Order of the Grey Wardens ? Riordan is not part of the Order of the Grey Wardens who were sent to aid us ?

[TheKomandorShepard]

So the treaties the Hero of Ferelden used to obtain the alliances were not the work of the Order of the Grey Wardens ? Riordan is not part of the Order of the Grey Wardens who were sent to aid us ?

Absolutely not, HoF only used them to benefit his/her mission , once again that i will use police badge doesn't mean police is involved and is contributing to what im doing.I already pointed that sending Riordan was only thing that order did to contribute to defeating blight and that was pretty much near the end of warden mission.

[Feybrad]

You know, I'm actually not mad about Teagan. I'm really pleasantly surprised by Lord Cyril. That Guy completely won me over.

 

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Guess I should never go into Politics, alright.

[Andromelek]

You know, I'm actually not mad about Teagan. I'm really pleasantly surprised by Lord Cyril. That Guy completely won me over.
 
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Guess I should never go into Politics, alright.

Well, he's Prosper's son, the guy was by far the most affable politician I've met, if he would survived, maybe he would be more convincing than his son, also, perhaps he would allow me to take Leopold against the Qunari.