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[Boost32]

There should have a option of betraying Tallis and siding with Prosper. Working to save Qunari spies made the entire DLC feel like shite.

[Andromelek]

There should have a option of betraying Tallis and siding with Prosper. Working to save Qunari spies made the entire DLC feel like shite.

Yup, if she really believes that she can fool me by saying that those were deserters with family she is quite an idiot, like if Qunari would allow that happening.

But it seems that Bioware loves to kill or force to kill dudes with Dragons as pets/partners.

[Olwaye]

He actually looks like Rendon Howe now.

 

Exactly, I know 10 years have passed since Origins, but bloody hell what happened to Teagan, did he turn to smoking the Thedosian equivalent of crack to look that bad, we used to call him the Bannhammer and joke at how much fangirls he had on the old forum after Origins was released, time sure makes fool of us all.

[Dabrikishaw]

There should have a option of betraying Tallis and siding with Prosper. Working to save Qunari spies made the entire DLC feel like shite.

I agree that keeping the Heart of the Many and giving it to the Duke should have been an option. If it were anyone but a self-insert character I think we'd have that option instead of being forced to help Tallis.

 

Exactly, I know 10 years have passed since Origins, but bloody hell what happened to Teagan, did he turn to smoking the Thedosian equivalent of crack to look that bad, we used to call him the Bannhammer and joke at how much fangirls he had on the old forum after Origins was released, time sure makes fool of us all.

It's just really jarring to me. If it was Tim Curry's voice coming out of that mouth I would have honestly thought Teagan was Rendon.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Pretty much what I'm just about to do.  Let Redcliffe burn, sacrifice Isolde but leave the demon in Connor, turn Alistair into a drunken mess and make Loghain a Warden.

 

Quite the opposite of the import I initially had planned but if Teagan is gonna be all dickish might as well give him a reason to do so.

 

Those are pretty much all the sensible decisions to make, anyway.

 

Teagan is just another Solas or Alistair, I guess -- if he does not approve, you probably made the right choice.

[Marika Haliwell]

And my HoF was inlove with this ..... ? insert wicked word at your pleasure! Teagan must DIE!

[Iakus]

I'm thinking Isolde was a really bad influence on Teagan.

[Deanna]

They totally ruined Teagon's character. He's a complete ass and got hit hard with the ugly stick. I know its been 12-13 years since the blight but damn. He reminds me of Loghain in Origins. If they wanted the person representing Ferelden to be a douch Queen Anora is pretty good at being a ****** completely on her own lol.

Which reminds me of another thing, why weren't the rulers of Orlais and Ferelden at the council? Yea, I understand the "ambassadors" but it just makes more sense to have the actual rulers there and not a representative so to speak (sorry that might be a little off topic, but thought I'd throw it out there)

[sorentoft]

I'm thinking Isolde was a really bad influence on Teagan.

Not unlikely. I am going with this as headcanon.

[d1ta]

I'm kinda having funny thoughts right now, like:

- You love the Grey Wardens?
Here! Meet the Wardens under Clarel who voluntarily done despicable things to summon an army of demons.

- You think Teagan's cool and you like Ferelden more?
Well here he is, with a new and 'improved' personality while being the official voice for Ferelden too. Enjoy!

- You hated the Orlesian and their politics?
Meet Cyril Prosper, the nicer guy from Orlais. How do you feel now?


At least that's how I feel anyway

[Olwaye]

They totally ruined Teagon's character. He's a complete ass and got hit hard with the ugly stick. I know its been 12-13 years since the blight but damn. He reminds me of Loghain in Origins. If they wanted the person representing Ferelden to be a douch Queen Anora is pretty good at being a ****** completely on her own lol.

Which reminds me of another thing, why weren't the rulers of Orlais and Ferelden at the council? Yea, I understand the "ambassadors" but it just makes more sense to have the actual rulers there and not a representative so to speak (sorry that might be a little off topic, but thought I'd throw it out there)

 

Having representative is politically sound, no ruler want to get his/her hands dirty if things goes south.

 

The worst part for me is that I think both Orlais and Ferelden position are understadable, what country can look at a independant military organization at his doorstep and not being worried, especially with a organization whose goal and aim are unclear. But Teagan comes off like a bitter old git with a chip on his shoulder the size of The Iron Bull, whereas I remember him from Origin as a brave intelligent man, so while I can understand his (and Fereldan) opinion regarding the Inquisition, the way in which he expresses and defends this opinion is just too much out of character for me.

[Iakus]

Having representative is politically sound, no ruler want to get his/her hands dirty if things goes south.

 

The worst part for me is that I think both Orlais and Ferelden position are understadable, what country can look at a independant military organization at his doorstep and not being worried, especially with a organization whose goal and aim are unclear. But Teagan comes off like a bitter old git with a chip on his shoulder the size of The Iron Bull, whereas I remember him from Origin as a brave intelligent man, so while I can understand his (and Fereldan) opinion regarding the Inquisition, the way in which he expresses and defends this opinion is just too much out of character for me.

My inquisitor:  "My organization saved your nation from, at best, falling under the rule of a revitalized Tevinter Imperium and, at worst, being destroyed by an army of demons.  Oh, and we cleared away a mess of bandits, red lyrium, and tracked down a guy who killed one of your towns during the last Blight.  Also stopped a bunch of darkspawn from pouring up your coastline, and killed two high dragons menacing your people.

 

You're welcome"

 

Okay that wasn't a dialogue option, but man I wished it was.

[TK514]

I'm just not getting the hate.  Everything he said was justified, and the DLC goes to great lengths to prove the the Inquisition is not the best at everything, or even necessarily the right tool for the times.  That it is, in fact, a deeply compromised organization with an over inflated opinion of itself.

 

Yes, the Inquisitor Gang saved the world two years ago.  And their efforts were, overall, appreciated.  But that's it.  Saving Orlais and Ferelden two years ago doesn't extend the right to trample all over their sovereignty forever more.  The Inquisition had a specific goal at the time, and that goal was achieved.  Their purpose was done.  Now, they're just a hammer in search of a nail.

 

The other thing is, the Exalted Council didn't just pop up overnight.  The political events of the DLC were at least two years in the making.  Possibly three or four, depending on the overall timeline of the DA:I base game.  Ferelden's concerns probably would have started when the Inquisition set up shop in a Ferelden castle, and Orlais when they took over a castle and a gold mine.  The events of the DLC are the result of at least two years of building tension between all the parties. 

 

The DLC even tells us, right at the beginning, that Orlais and Ferelden have been trying to get these issues addressed for the last two years, but the Chantry has been running interference for the Inquisition while the Inquisitor Gang decided what they wanted to do with themselves.

 

Toss in that the two parties with grievances against the Inquisition ALSO had longstanding grievances with each other, and conflicting goals in regards to the Inquisition, and what you've got it a situation that is going to be very stressful on the delegates.  So when Teagan says something like "You occupied a castle and we'd like it back" in the DLC, this isn't the first time it's been brought up.  It's just the most recent.  And what you're really seeing is years of built up frustration and concern.  Given that Ferelden, as a culture, are generally less diplomatic and more outspoken, vs Orlais with 'The Game', then Teagan and Prosper acted pretty much exactly as I would expect them to.  The Ferelden just put it right out on the table, and the Orlesian pretended to be nice about it.

[The Baconer]

Toss in that the two parties with grievances against the Inquisition ALSO had longstanding grievances with each other, and conflicting goals in regards to the Inquisition, and what you've got it a situation that is going to be very stressful on the delegates.  So when Teagan says something like "You occupied a castle and we'd like it back" in the DLC, this isn't the first time it's been brought up.  It's just the most recent.  And what you're really seeing is years of built up frustration and concern.  Given that Ferelden, as a culture, are generally less diplomatic and more outspoken, vs Orlais with 'The Game', then Teagan and Prosper acted pretty much exactly as I would expect them to.  The Ferelden just put it right out on the table, and the Orlesian pretended to be nice about it.

 

I will admit, holding on to Caer Bronach and the other captured keeps for the whole two years after Corypheus' death is puzzling, in a bad way. It definitely would not have been my choice to maintain that.

[Boost32]

I will admit, holding on to Caer Bronach and the other captured keeps for the whole two years after Corypheus' death is puzzling, in a bad way. It definitely would not have been my choice to maintain that.

I would at least asked to the crown if I could keep it.

[BansheeOwnage]

- Grey Wardens save Ferelden and Redcliffe (DAO)
- Grey Wardens saved Connor and Isolde
- Inquisition is on good terms with the crown, having exposed traitors in the court (war table operations)
- Inquisitor (in my play through) boots Alexius from Redcliffe Castle (effectively restoring it to the arl) and puts out two dozen rifts in the Hinterlands surrounding Redcliffe, gets a healer to help the refugees, and gets them food and clothing to survive a harsh winter

And that's the thanks I get? Yeah, I didn't buy it either.

Not to mention a Grey Warden might sit on the throne...

[sprite23d]

So, anyone wonder why Bioware erase Eamon from existence?

[Olwaye]

I'm just not getting the hate.  Everything he said was justified, and the DLC goes to great lengths to prove the the Inquisition is not the best at everything, or even necessarily the right tool for the times.  That it is, in fact, a deeply compromised organization with an over inflated opinion of itself.

 

Yes, the Inquisitor Gang saved the world two years ago.  And their efforts were, overall, appreciated.  But that's it.  Saving Orlais and Ferelden two years ago doesn't extend the right to trample all over their sovereignty forever more.  The Inquisition had a specific goal at the time, and that goal was achieved.  Their purpose was done.  Now, they're just a hammer in search of a nail.

 

The other thing is, the Exalted Council didn't just pop up overnight.  The political events of the DLC were at least two years in the making.  Possibly three or four, depending on the overall timeline of the DA:I base game.  Ferelden's concerns probably would have started when the Inquisition set up shop in a Ferelden castle, and Orlais when they took over a castle and a gold mine.  The events of the DLC are the result of at least two years of building tension between all the parties. 

 

The DLC even tells us, right at the beginning, that Orlais and Ferelden have been trying to get these issues addressed for the last two years, but the Chantry has been running interference for the Inquisition while the Inquisitor Gang decided what they wanted to do with themselves.

 

Toss in that the two parties with grievances against the Inquisition ALSO had longstanding grievances with each other, and conflicting goals in regards to the Inquisition, and what you've got it a situation that is going to be very stressful on the delegates.  So when Teagan says something like "You occupied a castle and we'd like it back" in the DLC, this isn't the first time it's been brought up.  It's just the most recent.  And what you're really seeing is years of built up frustration and concern.  Given that Ferelden, as a culture, are generally less diplomatic and more outspoken, vs Orlais with 'The Game', then Teagan and Prosper acted pretty much exactly as I would expect them to.  The Ferelden just put it right out on the table, and the Orlesian pretended to be nice about it.

 

Yep politicaly Ferelden and Orlais point of view is totally understandable, again any nation under the same circumstances will react the same ( just think at how people react to UN forces after a while in recent conflicts).

What bugs me is just that I find Teagan a little too much out of character from what I remembered from Origins, I guess I was excepecting more subtlety.

[TK514]

So, anyone wonder why Bioware erase Eamon from existence?

 

I believe that, regardless of who is monarch of Ferelden, Eamon retires as Arl and becomes an adviser to the crown in Denerim.

 

Yep politicaly Ferelden and Orlais point of view is totally understandable, again any nation under the same circumstances will react the same ( just think at how people react to UN forces after a while in recent conflicts).

What bugs me is just that I find Teagan a little too much out of character from what I remembered from Origins, I guess I was excepecting more subtlety.

 

This is just speculation on my part, but it is possible the writers bumped up his abrasiveness to highlight the differences between Ferelden and Orlesian politicians.

 

I can only imagine what kind of reaction we'd be seeing if it had been Alistair instead of Teagan, saying the same things.

[GoldenGail3]

Teagan... Your rulers are both GW's. And it's a Queen Cousland/Alistair world too! So I hope that I leave your castle to burn, next time
, Teagan.

[sprite23d]

I believe that, regardless of who is monarch of Ferelden, Eamon retires as Arl and becomes an adviser to the crown in Denerim.

 

Seems rather strange consider he didnt even attend my Warden coronation ;P

[Jedimaster88]

I dont actually hate Teagan. Im just greatly surprised about his behaviour and his new look. seriously he almost reminded me of Rendon Howe with that old man look of his. He made good points but his warden hatred was odd.

[TK514]

I dont actually hate Teagan. Im just greatly surprised about his behaviour and his new look. seriously he almost reminded me of Rendon Howe with that old man look of his. He made good points but his warden hatred was odd.

 

Yeah, the Warden bit is the only thing I can't really answer.

 

I might speculate that it was only an example of institutional corruption to drive his point home, but there's a lot of mental gymnastics going on to make that work.

[Dabrikishaw]

If it was anyone but Teagan, I doubt most of use would care to make a topic about it. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

There is not a lot mental gymnastics to figure out what Teagan was talking about...

 

From what i recall he points pretty much that wardens invaded ferelden under the pretext of restoring order (abolishing tyrant king) , what is nothing more than truth and is accusing inqusitor of doing the same.