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[Adanu]

The entire time I was listening to him, I just kept thinking "there's no way this is Teagan from origins or DA2. This is an imposter Bioware has replaced him with to assassinate his character."

[Nixou]

Actually, what's even more hypocritical is that in gratitude for ending the Blight, the monarch of Ferelden gave the Wardens complete and utter control over the entire Arling of Amaranthine (thus making them an actual player in the Landsmeet).

 

 

That's a glaring flaw of Trespasser's narrative, indeed. I'd have loved to have the opportunity to have the Inquisitor either

• Let Josie kindly remind Teagan how generous the Fereldan crown was to the Grey Wardens after the fifth blight
• Starts an angry and very undiplomatic rant: "By the way, didn't you gave your country's wealthiest province to the Grey Wardens, allowed them to build a fleet powerful enough to startle the Free Marches, littered you country with Griffon statues everywhere the Hero of Ferelden set foot and continue to adore him/her despite the fact that s/he went AWOL, allowing Corypheus to seize complete control over Southern Grey Wardens through Clarel, thus allowing him to murder the previous Divine and cause the very mess I had to clean up?"

[Ynqve]

Yes Teagan was a giant cloaca.  I don't think he was necessarily OOC, since (as Sifr said) we've seen him get feisty with Heroes and former allies before when he thinks a power grab is in the offing; but he was awfully quick to go from respectful disagreement to out-and-out douchebaggery, even with a level headed and goody two-shoes Inquisitor. 

 

I think, however, that we are forgetting Teagan's most egregious crime of all.

 

Spoiler

 

The real problem is this hat.  Why is he wearing this ugly as hell, upside down, pot-with-a-flap on his head?  Is he going bald and doesn't want anyone to know?  And most importantly, why is Bioware so hat challenged?

 

 

 

You're on to something. Maybe the hat really is the problem. I'd be grumpy too if someone forced me to wear that thing. 

[d1ta]

Anora made him wear that she has a new fashion advisor and wants Teagan to test the waters

[Bayonet Hipshot]

It does seem a bit narrow-sighted of Teagan to criticise the Inquisition as a military organisation with no political allegiance, who nonetheless maintain a presence and strongholds in another nation, when both of these similarly apply to both the Templars and the Wardens.

 

Actually, what's even more hypocritical is that in gratitude for ending the Blight, the monarch of Ferelden gave the Wardens complete and utter control over the entire Arling of Amaranthine (thus making them an actual player in the Landsmeet).

 

In contrast, Ferelden's gratitude to the Inquisition having closed the Breach (twice) goes so far as to say they cannot run a single fort in the middle of nowhere, nor use it as a trading hub, without crossing the line?

 

Teagan is a bitter senile old man who proves that politics and diplomacy are no place for such people. He should have resigned and handed the duty of being a diplomat to someone younger, more charismatic and more diplomatic.

 

Say what you will about Orlesian frippery and idiocy, at least Orlesian leaders know how to pick their ambassadors and representatives. Alistair and Anora are lousy and terrible in these regard. Cyril Monfort is someone who I can see being capable of having rational discussion without going full retard.

[Andromelek]

Yes Teagan was a giant cloaca.  I don't think he was necessarily OOC, since (as Sifr said) we've seen him get feisty with Heroes and former allies before when he thinks a power grab is in the offing; but he was awfully quick to go from respectful disagreement to out-and-out douchebaggery, even with a level headed and goody two-shoes Inquisitor. 
 
I think, however, that we are forgetting Teagan's most egregious crime of all.
 

Spoiler

 
The real problem is this hat.  Why is he wearing this ugly as hell, upside down, pot-with-a-flap on his head?  Is he going bald and doesn't want anyone to know?  And most importantly, why is Bioware so hat challenged?
 

 

Yup, it seems that he lost his hair, odd, because Eamon was far older and he wasn't bald...as I said before... Evil.

[Andromelek]

Teagan is a bitter senile old man who proves that politics and diplomacy are no place for such people. He should have resigned and handed the duty of being a diplomat to someone younger, more charismatic and more diplomatic.

Say what you will about Orlesian frippery and idiocy, at least Orlesian leaders know how to pick their ambassadors and representatives. Alistair and Anora are lousy and terrible in these regard. Cyril Monfort is someone who I can see being capable of having rational discussion without going full retard.

The truth is far more simple: Orlesians are better politicians, many on the council are old people, Prosper seemingly was older than Teagan and yet he negotiated on Celene's behalf, while most of Fereldans are clear as water, Howe and Anora could be te exception, but still they are not so good using the word when you compare them with Orlesian nobles.

[Bethgael]

Teagan is a bitter senile old man who proves that politics and diplomacy are no place for such people. He should have resigned and handed the duty of being a diplomat to someone younger, more charismatic and more diplomatic.

 

Say what you will about Orlesian frippery and idiocy, at least Orlesian leaders know how to pick their ambassadors and representatives. Alistair and Anora are lousy and terrible in these regard. Cyril Monfort is someone who I can see being capable of having rational discussion without going full retard.

Teagan was born in 8:91 Blessed.

That makes him only 53.

Do you know who else is 53 this year?

Spoiler

Yes, that is a recent picture. 53 ain't that "old" dear. At all.

[Bleachrude]

The only thing I disagree with is the Grey Warden thing the rest...

 

This _WAS_ a DLC where the inquistion guards threatened orlesian guards int he winter palace itself....YEAH..I think the inquisition might be getting too big for its britches...

[thesuperdarkone2]

The only thing I disagree with is the Grey Warden thing the rest...

This _WAS_ a DLC where the inquistion guards threatened orlesian guards int he winter palace itself....YEAH..I think the inquisition might be getting too big for its britches...

Well when it turns out they were right about that servant being up to no good...

[Malthazar1234]

i can't undertand why bioware choose him to badmouth us and grey wardens

it should be any stupid fereldan noble, like the orlesian guy...

i'm glad i choose the templars instead of mages, because no way i'm saving that a-hole village again

[Jeniva]

Why was Teagan bitching about the grey wardens when ALISTAIR is a grey warden and your own warden from DAO who saved his shitty pyscho nephew. 

[MoonDrummer]

I agreed with most of his arguments. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why was Teagan bitching about the grey wardens when ALISTAIR is a grey warden and your own warden from DAO who saved his shitty pyscho nephew. 

1 or 2 apples in the garden don't make garden pretty , alistair won't wash crap that order caused ,in fact if alive order pretty much kicked him out because he was only sane among them.

[TK514]

Well when it turns out they were right about that servant being up to no good...

 Certainly.  And the intelligent thing to do at that point would have been to tell the guard "This man is a Qunari spy, and this round pot is a Qunari bomb.  Inform your superiors that the Winter Palace has been infiltrated and that these explosives may be in the palace.  Also let them know that the Inquisition stands ready to assist them in any way we can."  Rather than "Uh, we'll handle this in the single most idiotic way possible by not telling our allies and the people who see us as a threat because we think we know best anything at all about it.  And we'll start searching guests and deciding who can and can't enter and leave the Winter Palace, in spite of this being Orlesian territory."

[VorexRyder]

That part of the plot was poorly written, and Cullen stole Teagan's looks and charm with blood magic between games.

[Rhidor]

I could somewhat see from his point of view that the Inquisition could be seen as a threat.

 

But just as he went on to talk bad about the Wardens which were in my ranks as well, I couldn't get his logic anymore.

 

As you said OP, the Wardens saved his and at least his brother's life in Redcliffe 14 years ago. Then again, a lot of people seem to dislike all Wardens for some reason. Maybe a new Orlesian trend or something?

[Augustei]

Teagan is a bitter senile old man who proves that politics and diplomacy are no place for such people. He should have resigned and handed the duty of being a diplomat to someone younger, more charismatic and more diplomatic.

 

Say what you will about Orlesian frippery and idiocy, at least Orlesian leaders know how to pick their ambassadors and representatives. Alistair and Anora are lousy and terrible in these regard. Cyril Monfort is someone who I can see being capable of having rational discussion without going full retard.

I actually got the impression that this was a move by the crown to minimize Redcliffes influence (which was rapidly growing as competition for the crown according to map info from Witch Hunt), I can see Anora doing something like that anyway. Getting Teagan out of Ferelden. Though Idk if its worth it considering how terrible a diplomat he is. 

[Augustei]

Then again, a lot of people seem to dislike all Wardens for some reason. Maybe a new Orlesian trend or something?

New trend? Nah people have disliked the Wardens for ages. They've been saying that since origins, The Kristoff codex saying how they'll hate you, Gossipers in Origins, Duncan and Alistair saying how people have forgotten and don't really care for the Wardens anymore since the last blight, Bethany and Carver saying how they get insulted and looked down upon.

[Bleachrude]

Exactly.

 

The winter palace isn't even just some random noble's home. It's the home away from home of the bloody Empress of the entire country

[Wulfram]

The only thing I disagree with is the Grey Warden thing the rest...
 
This _WAS_ a DLC where the inquistion guards threatened orlesian guards int he winter palace itself....YEAH..I think the inquisition might be getting too big for its britches...

That guard wasn't actually working for the Inquisition though...

[Boost32]

That guard wasn't actually working for the Inquisition though...

That guard was.

[Wulfram]

That guard was.

Oh right, got confused, thanks.

[Rekkampum]

 Certainly.  And the intelligent thing to do at that point would have been to tell the guard "This man is a Qunari spy, and this round pot is a Qunari bomb.  Inform your superiors that the Winter Palace has been infiltrated and that these explosives may be in the palace.  Also let them know that the Inquisition stands ready to assist them in any way we can."  Rather than "Uh, we'll handle this in the single most idiotic way possible by not telling our allies and the people who see us as a threat because we think we know best anything at all about it.  And we'll start searching guests and deciding who can and can't enter and leave the Winter Palace, in spite of this being Orlesian territory."

 

You can notify them of the threat. Also, there are things that they literally couldn't have known at the time the event occurred so acting in haste without confirmation would've undoubtedly been worse. This also wasn't a social event, but a major hearing involving several major powers, including the Divine herself. If there actually were spies -and that was evident at the very least - threatening to blow up the entire council by smuggling explosives, the last thing you'd do is just let people prance around unsupervised. Especially with a pending Qunari invasion.