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[TK514]

You can notify them of the threat. Also, there are things that they literally couldn't have known at the time the event occurred so acting in haste without confirmation would've undoubtedly been worse. This also wasn't a social event, but a major hearing involving several major powers, including the Divine herself. If there actually were spies -and that was evident at the very least - threatening to blow up the entire council by smuggling explosives, the last thing you'd do is just let people prance around unsupervised. Especially with a pending Qunari invasion.

 

Yeah, you can notify them later, after Inquisition forces have already taken over the Winter Palace, and they've already found out anyway.  And informing your allies that they have a major security breach and that their facility is full of explosives is pretty much the most basic, intelligent thing you can do.  If you're going to pull the 'well, their guards could have been infiltrated by Qunari spies' then you have to acknowledge that the Inquisition forces incontrovertibly WERE infiltrated by Qunari spies.

[Rekkampum]

Yeah, you can notify them later, after Inquisition forces have already taken over the Winter Palace, and they've already found out anyway.  And informing your allies that they have a major security breach and that their facility is full of explosives is pretty much the most basic, intelligent thing you can do.  If you're going to pull the 'well, their guards could have been infiltrated by Qunari spies' then you have to acknowledge that the Inquisition forces incontrovertibly WERE infiltrated by Qunari spies.

 

I wasn't referring merely to the guards alone, as it was an Orlesian servant who smuggled in the Gaatlok. Also saying they "took over" the Palace is a bit too simplistic given the circumstances. 

[Suketchi]

I've always hated Teagan. Eamon wasn't my favorite person either. That whole family sucked lol. As a warden, they constantly asked your advice, only to tell you your advice was stupid.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I don't hate Teagan, but I was reeling over how out-of-character he was.

 

To be clear, I think he made very reasonable points about Ferelden being uncomfortable with the highly armed, powerful, and foreign Inquisition forces just outside and inside Ferelden.

 

However, he was just such a moody, sullen, dour, unpleasant, distrusting, unreasonable jerk about everything. He was also so blindly pro-patriotic paranoid, convinced that any armed organization not within Ferelden will obviously try to invade Ferelden, that he came across sounding... well, almost like Loghain.

 

And that's out-of-character for him, because in DAI he was so much more pleasant, reasonable and trusting, particularly toward Grey Wardens. When you first meet him in Redcliffe and ask him if he believes what Loghain says of the Wardens, he scoffs at such an absurd story. Also, his freaking nephew Alistair is a Grey Warden, and could potentially have saved Redcliffe with the Hero of Ferelden, who was a Warden who freaking saved Ferelden with Teagan's and Eamon's help.

 

If Teagan was really the kind of man who blindly believes the stories about the Grey Wardens trying to take over Ferelden 200 years ago and are jumping to do it again (as he is in Trespasser), he wouldn't have stood against Loghain or allied with Alistair and the Hero of Ferelden in DAO.

 

Exactly. It's like if Batman were to say that guns are the best thing ever and anyone caught committing a crime should be summarily executed. Whether or not you think such a sentiment is correct is irrelevant; there's no way Bats would ever say something like that. So it is with Teagan. I don't mind necessarily if Teagan's questioning the role of the Inquisition, as there are some things worth criticizing. But he wouldn't do it in such a jerkish and brutal way, nor would he consider the people who saved his rear over a decade ago as part of the problem.

 

Even worse, it's a plot-driven approach to characterization that Bioware's done too often in the past, and has always backfired on them. Why should we care about these people if they're eventually going to become enemies down the line? Why become attached to them if their characterizations are going to arbitarily change for the convinence of the plot whenever the writers feel lazy?

 

That part of the plot was poorly written, and Cullen stole Teagan's looks and charm with blood magic between games.

 

New headcanon accepted

[Rekkampum]

Exactly. It's like if Batman were to say that guns are the best thing ever and anyone caught committing a crime should be summarily executed. Whether or not you think such a sentiment is correct is irrelevant; there's no way Bats would ever say something like that. So it is with Teagan. I don't mind necessarily if Teagan's questioning the role of the Inquisition, as there are some things worth criticizing. But he wouldn't do it in such a jerkish and brutal way, nor would he consider the people who saved his rear over a decade ago as part of the problem.

 

Even worse, it's a plot-driven approach to characterization that Bioware's done too often in the past, and has always backfired on them. Why should we care about these people if they're eventually going to become enemies down the line? Why become attached to them if their characterizations are going to arbitarily change for the convinence of the plot whenever the writers feel lazy?

 

 

New headcanon accepted

 

Actually, the original Batman was a gun-toting sociopath who had no problem killing or injuring criminals with guns. The whole "anti-gun" Batman came about largely in response to the moral panic circulating comic books during that time.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Actually, the original Batman was a gun-toting sociopath who had no problem killing or injuring criminals with guns. The whole "anti-gun" Batman came about largely in response to the moral panic circulating comic books during that time.

 

Yes, Batman killed people during the Golden Age, but that hasn't been the case for decades. Indeed, in the current (and long-standing) conception of the character, the no-guns thing is pretty much central (unless it's Darkseid). Pre-Crisis doesn't really count.

[Rekkampum]

Yes, Batman killed people during the Golden Age, but that hasn't been the case for decades. Indeed, in the current (and long-standing) conception of the character, the no-guns thing is pretty much central (unless it's Darkseid). Pre-Crisis doesn't really count.

 

Sorry, but when we're talking about the history of characters and how they think, those kinds of things are relevant. Characters naturally evolve over time - usually as writers change - so it's very possible, given the right motivations and premise, that Batman could use guns.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Teagan was born in 8:91 Blessed.

That makes him only 53.

Do you know who else is 53 this year?

Spoiler

Yes, that is a recent picture. 53 ain't that "old" dear. At all.

 

That's a 53 year old in a world with modern medicine, modern food production, photoshop, etc...

 

[diaspora2k5]

Anyone reading Masked Empire would remember than Teagan is an Ambassador to Orlais and that the Orlesian nobles give him a ridiculous amount of grief. Not surprised he's aged hard.

[Lady Artifice]

They ruined Teagan. 

 

I want to organize a formal protest. 

[Illegitimus]

Actually, the original Batman was a gun-toting sociopath who had no problem killing or injuring criminals with guns. The whole "anti-gun" Batman came about largely in response to the moral panic circulating comic books during that time.

 

No, the edict against Batman using guns and killing people by direct means came along a bit more than a year after he started.  The panic came later.  They were just foresighted about it.  

[Sifr]

The only thing I disagree with is the Grey Warden thing the rest...

 

This _WAS_ a DLC where the inquistion guards threatened orlesian guards int he winter palace itself....YEAH..I think the inquisition might be getting too big for its britches...

 

Yeah, after the Inquisition soldier threatened and mocked the Winter Palace guard, I wish there had been an option to tell the Inquisition soldier to shut up, and warn him that if that if he didn't apologise or continued to make such threats again, we'd make sure he'd join that servant in the same jail cell.

[Mr.House]

I don't hate Teagan, but I was reeling over how out-of-character he was.

 

To be clear, I think he made very reasonable points about Ferelden being uncomfortable with the highly armed, powerful, and foreign Inquisition forces just outside and inside Ferelden.

 

However, he was just such a moody, sullen, dour, unpleasant, distrusting, unreasonable jerk about everything. He was also so blindly pro-patriotic paranoid, convinced that any armed organization not within Ferelden will obviously try to invade Ferelden, that he came across sounding... well, almost like Loghain.

 

And that's out-of-character for him, because in DAI he was so much more pleasant, reasonable and trusting, particularly toward Grey Wardens. When you first meet him in Redcliffe and ask him if he believes what Loghain says of the Wardens, he scoffs at such an absurd story. Also, his freaking nephew Alistair is a Grey Warden, and could potentially have saved Redcliffe with the Hero of Ferelden, who was a Warden who freaking saved Ferelden with Teagan's and Eamon's help.

 

If Teagan was really the kind of man who blindly believes the stories about the Grey Wardens trying to take over Ferelden 200 years ago and are jumping to do it again (as he is in Trespasser), he wouldn't have stood against Loghain or allied with Alistair and the Hero of Ferelden in DAO.

It's not out of character tho. After what Gaspard did to him, it makes perfect sense why he is acting like this, it's also proven that he is also following the orders from the crown (and if you think DAI Teagan is grumpy, King Alistair makes harden DAO Alistair look cute)

 

You also have to remember it's been over ten years and alot of **** has happen from the mage-templar civil war revenging the hinterlands, to being kicked out of Redcliffe to fear of Gaspard. It will take its toll.

[Andromelek]

It's not out of character tho. After what Gaspard did to him, it makes perfect sense why he is acting like this, it's also proven that he is also following the orders from the crown (and if you think DAI Teagan is grumpy, King Alistair makes harden DAO Alistair look cute)
 
You also have to remember it's been over ten years and alot of **** has happen from the mage-templar civil war revenging the hinterlands, to being kicked out of Redcliffe to fear of Gaspard. It will take its toll.

Yeah, but it was their stupid decision give shelter to the rebellion on the first place, they should thank the Inquisition for taking away the mages, instead they want to charge the debt of what the rebellion and the Templars nearby destroyed, that family just need to die, I don't like Qunari (the religion) but I regret that Saraat didn't visit Denerim, nor they blew up the Gaatlok.

[Mr.House]

Yeah, but it was their stupid decision give shelter to the rebellion on the first place, they should thank the Inquisition for taking away the mages, instead they want to charge the debt of what the rebellion and the Templars nearby destroyed, that family just need to die, I don't like Qunari (the religion) but I regret that Saraat didn't visit Denerim, nor they blew up the Gaatlok.

You think rulers will admit they messed up on this grand scale? In teh end they will always find a scapegoat or find something they can push it all on, and that's what Anora, Alistair and Teagan did.

[Milan92]

Lets not pretend Cyril Monfort was any beter. Sure, he remained calm and civil, but only because Orlais wants to keep the Inquisition as a pet.

[Sifr]

Lets not pretend Cyril Monfort was any beter. Sure, he remained calm and civil, but only because Orlais wants to keep the Inquisition as a pet.

 

Yeah, Teagan might have been a giant pain in our backside, but Cyril had his nose firmly embedded up it.

[Jaderail]

I dunno what the hell they did to Teagan. If nothing else, he seemed at least reasonable in Origins, he was pretty nice and chill. He's a completely different person now. I dunno, maybe being in charge of Redcliffe made him angry and power hungry. It is a bit of a stretch on his personality though. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

Is there a way to make him.. disappear?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Is there a way to make him.. disappear?

 

We should have had a way. I mean some Inquisitors can specialize as an assassin after all.

[Neoleviathan]

Don't have the dlc yet but this sounds like character butchery. That.. does not sound anything like our Teagan at all.
I bet that was really Solas crap stirring it for the wardens since he hates them so much.

Haha yes that is perfect. Solas had indoctrinated Teagan. All that spirity wackyness in Origins left Teagan vulnerable to Solas's influence.

[Bleachrude]

What exactly is wrong with Cyril?

 

I'm not seeing why Orlais is in the wrong ESPECIALLY given what we see happen at the Winter Palace. The inquisition is a foreign power whose purpose apparently has been completed yet answers to no-one other than themselves?

[Ynqve]

What exactly is wrong with Cyril?

 

I'm not seeing why Orlais is in the wrong ESPECIALLY given what we see happen at the Winter Palace. The inquisition is a foreign power whose purpose apparently has been completed yet answers to no-one other than themselves?

 

His position is understandable, but he wants to make the Inquisition a puppet of Orlais. That's the problem. He's not interested in supervision so much as complete control. 

[Wulfram]

His position is understandable, but he wants to make the Inquisition a puppet of Orlais. That's the problem. He's not interested in supervision so much as complete control.

He's serving the interests of his country, that's fine. At least he wasn't a jerk about it.

[Jaron Oberyn]

We should have had a way. I mean some Inquisitors can specialize as an assassin after all.

Isn't there a way to make him insane in Origins? Or die or something?