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[Ieldra]

It isn't about "us" and "them". Solas plans to enter the Fade and destroy the Veil in a plan that he thinks will kill everyone, humans and elves alike, along with dwarves, qunari, and most of the animal population of Thedas. So it isn't so much a case of "Humans vs. Elves" as much as "Solas vs. Everyone Else". My only question is who Solas thinks will benefit from his plan. The elves won't, at least not the Dalish and city elves alive today. They can't endure exposure to raw magic any more than humans or qunari. Dwarves might survive, but Cory's ability to rip mountains apart and send them 100 feet into the air, that isn't a safe assumption to make.

IIRC, he doesn't actually say everyone will die, he says the world as we know it will be destroyed. Probably a small but significant percentage of people - elves and humans both - will survive, but their civilizations won't and everyone will be forced to start anew from zero, with the elves now being at a significant advantage because of their regained magic and immortality.

[EdwinLi]

It more like Solas versus the world. He is doing this to get back the world he knew before he made the veil but in doing so the current world we know may be destroyed.

 

From his friend dialogue version Solas is sad about what he is about to do but he feels there is no other choice. Everything that happened in the world began with his actions centuries ago and even today it still haunts him.

 

he already tried to find other options through the centuries being alive before he fell asleep but could not find one where it doesn't involve risking the world. Even back then all options he had left would have been far worse.

 

I personally went with "Save Solas" path because as much he is determined with his action a part of him is showing that he really hopes the Inquisitor can stop him and find another way. 

[daveliam]

So, on which side do you stand?

 

Would you like a future elven PC to help Solas fulfill his plans? Or a human PC who puts an end to the Dread Wolf once and for all?

 

 

Neither?  I'd like a dwarf PC who makes decisions not strictly along racial lines......

[SolNebula]

The next PC will probably either find some way to depower him or use unconventional methods such as dropping a mountain on him.

Right now, Solas needed to appear invincible to set up a challenge for the next game. There, his power to turn people into stone with a blink will probably be conveniently gone.
 

 

IMO Solas and his agents won't the the next enemies. I got the feeling the Evanuris the ancient false Gods would take that place. Then you will have two roads a pro-human one which would turns Solas hostile and a pro-elven one were you use his plans to defeat the Evanuris but drastically changing the world.

[Mr.House]

Sounds fine be me humans are arrogant fools anyway. Time for them to be slaves and see how nice that was. Also Solas said modern day elves are like that because they lacked the connection to the Fade when restored they will return as they were. So it is indeed Elves vs Humans. Notice how in the ends elves left the humans institutions and Inquisition. Fen'Harel seems to unite elves under his banner.

You do know the ancient elves where no better then Tevinter right?

[Ieldra]

The next PC will probably either find some way to depower him or use unconventional methods such as dropping a mountain on him.
Right now, Solas needed to appear invincible to set up a challenge for the next game. There, his power to turn people into stone with a blink will probably be conveniently gone.

That would be a cop-out. I'd rather see "Find a method to neutralize Solas' powers" as a major task in the next game.

[rapscallioness]

Thus spoke Solas to a Dalish Elf Inquisitor who was his friend.  So even modern Elves are not considered his people.

 

It is not a Elves vs humans thing, it is a Ancient Elves vs EVERYONE thing.

 

Yeah, see this is what I was wondering here. Who exactly are his "People"? And it did not sound like it would just be humans destroyed, but rather the whole of Thedas engulfed in fiery death. Not because the elves may rule it,  but the very act of...colliding..the fade and world would have a reaction.

 

Imo, even the elves would be like, "Wait, you wanna do what now?"

 

Oh, Solas also says about the other Earvunis that they, too, will be released, but he'll take care of them.

[SolNebula]

You do know the ancient elves where no better then Tevinter right?

 

Yup and humans didn't prove to be better either. So.....

[BloodyTalon]

Yup and humans didn't prove to be better either. So.....

Third option kill them all and let the maker sort them out.

[SolNebula]

Third option kill them all and let the maker sort them out.

 

Ah yes the "maker" that claim was dismissed long ago.

[BloodyTalon]

Ah yes the "maker" that claim was dismissed long ago.

Just a saying in anycase =p but just hoping we get an option to kill all factions if it does come down to a vs this and that thing, which is cheap and over done in games

[Vit246]

delete. 

[KumoriYami]

regarding the whole human and elves things... if you're an elf (I was in a romance with him), Solas stills says that my world would still need to be destroyed despite being an elf... and the Inquisitor can make a comment about how Solas does even see them as people. Sorta wondering if the current elves are included in his plan of his... but I have to admit, if the world of 'thedas' is where the elves are from, where did humans come from in the first place?

[MisterJB]

 

Yes, his response regarding the evanuris being released is probably the most worrisome portion.

 

"Foregoing for a moment how your plan necessitates the destruction of the world, will it not also release the evil, false gods who were so attrocious in the treatment of their subjects and so powerful that you had to fundamentally alter the nature of the world in order to stop them? Which brought about the collapse of elven civilization which you were trying to protect?

 

Don't worry, I have it covered."

 

NO YOU DO NOT!

[Chrissamuel]

I personally see Solas as the enemy of everyone. He claims to have banished the Elven Gods because they killed Mythal but where is his proof they were evil? Did they kill her because she was plotting her own scheme?

 

And even if they were then what he is planning is even worse and everything that has happened since he betrayed the elves is his fault. If the Elven Gods were still around Corypheus and the other magisters would not have been able to enter the black city and unleash the blight.

 

I also view Solas as being arrogant, self-centred and greedy. He claims to have not wanted worship but why are there so many statues to him in his refuges and why does he have temples?

[rapscallioness]

I don't think Solas is going to be front and center in the next game, at all. I think he may take on more of the Flemeth role. Cameo at crucial points in the story. I think, however, we will be running into his agents. Agents, agents everywhere

 

The elves were slaves for the Evanuris. They were abused by them. That's why Solas did what he did--lesser of two evils. However, even Solas is still kinda...hmmm...arrogant? Unseeing? He still has this "Master" mentality. He insists up and down that he's a good master. He insists that he's not like Cory, but mainly because it will bring him no happiness to do the awful things he will do anyway. Like, "Oh, but  hai, I treat my slaves good. So, you knooow...what?" I know he freed them from the other ones, and all that. But there is still this mindset there. This elitism within him, and the other ones I'm sure.

 

He gave the orb to Cory because he looked down on him. He thought a Tevinter Magister could never reveal the ways of effective immortality, and live beyond the blast.

 

He does not get it. Genuinely. Although, he is open to being proven wrong. In fact, he treasures the idea of it. I'm not sure what that would entail, though? What are we looking for here? For the elves to have their...kingdom back? Their immortality? That's not gonna happen unless the fade comes crashing down.  They may be able to have their sovereignty back, and not be treated as second class citizens by the humans.

 

It still seems hypocritical because it looks as though the elves got their magic and all that by hunting, slaying and siphoning off the "blood" of the Titans for their magical world. Going into the dwarven territory, knocking down statues of their gods and placing their own there.

 

I think the Evanuris came in, attacked the dwarves and the Titans. Stole all their stuff, made workers (read:slaves) mine the lyrium for them to siphon off. So, you know how Tevinter is said to be built off the bones of elven legacy? Well, I think the elven legacy was built off the bones of the dwarves.

[Mykel54]

To me Solas sounds like a supremacist who wants to

 

-Bring back an extinct civilization: He wants the elves to be like old days - immortal, fade-linked. Yet immortal beings is the main reason their leaders started getting a godhood-complex. He also wants all the technology around which that civilization was built around, which made it possible to exist in the first place, so he needs the veil down in order to get that fade-tech magic stuff working.

 

So in order to achieve that, he doesn´t mind at all to

 

-Genocide every other race: people complain about racism in thedas, but this goes way beyond that. He simply finds the ancient elvhen civilization, with their technology and stuff, is worth more than the lives of the entire world. So forget about working with the dalish to make a new civilization, adapting around the fact the veil is in place, trying to create new technologies that work in this current world. Nah, better to blow up the world and everyone inside, release the egomaniac gods, and replicate the old civilization as close as possible. Why create new things when you can just reuse the same ancient tech with whom your ancestors killed each other.

 

-Let loose the tyrannical-wannabe-gods. first i find curious how these ancient elves killed Mythal, and that was enough for Solas to condemn then to eternal banishment - no wonders they are pissed. He also has plans to deal with them, but i doubt he will be able to outsmart a whole pantheon of pissed semi-gods that will be gunning for him.

 

He sounds like a such big hypocrite: they killed Mythal, so the punishment is eternal suffering in the black city. But i can just kill a whole world full of lives, including modern elves, because i want to live in arlathan civilization again, like the good old days.

[Drasanil]

Solas in the end is a huge giant dick to everyone he doesn't consider a true elf

 

That's part of the charm, he wouldn't be "proper" elf if he wasn't being massive dick to everyone just because he could.

 

That's why Thranduil ( )  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tauriel ( ) 

[rapscallioness]

regarding the whole human and elves things... if you're an elf (I was in a romance with him), Solas stills says that my world would still need to be destroyed despite being an elf... and the Inquisitor can make a comment about how Solas does even see them as people. Sorta wondering if the current elves are included in his plan of his... but I have to admit, if the world of 'thedas' is where the elves are from, where did humans come from in the first place?

 

 

From my understanding, the humans came from the north somewhere. Fleeing some shadow goddess. When they got there the elves started attacking them.

 

I'm not sure if the hostility started immediately, though, or after some time and possibly things happened.

[actionhero112]

Idk man. I kind of empathize with the guy. He sees his race diminished, with culture and abilities lost, and he has the power to save it. So he decides to try.

 

If Solas' plan involves killing everyone, egg's getting scrambled of course. But I do, at least, understand the motivation. 

[D_Schattenjager]

The next PC will probably either find some way to depower him or use unconventional methods such as dropping a mountain on him.

Right now, Solas needed to appear invincible to set up a challenge for the next game. There, his power to turn people into stone with a blink will probably be conveniently gone.
 

 

Sorry I wasn't more clear ... 

I meant to say that we won't be able to force a solution with Solas ... diplomacy will be the way to resolve this ... I don't think that anyone exists today with abilities which can counter Solas

I for one, am looking forward to an Avatar Kora like solution, with spirit portals and one super powered individual, probably Solas or your 4th game hero.

[rapscallioness]

Also at the end of the convo with Soals, he says something about how he's done this countless times before. I can't remember exactly what he was referring to, though? Was it the fiery death? Or -what I actually think it was-the conducting proxy wars with the land and ppl of Thedas?

 

It was something he said about doing "countless times before".

[Thargorichiban]

I personally would title this: Elves vs. Everyone Else.

 

 

Humans are going to die, Dwarfs are going to die, Qunari are going to die, probably even some of the elves that oppose Solas.

[rapscallioness]

It is interesting to me. All this time the elves blamed the humans for the destruction of Arlathan,  but that was them. All this  time they also blamed the humans for their lack of immortality, but that was Fen'Harel that did that.

 

Because of this, the elves pulled back into isolation. Away from the humans and whatever perceived disease the humans carried. This in turn is what actually allowed the humans to spread across Thedas-unchecked-and build empires.

 

Perhaps if Solas had told the elves what had happened, they would not have gone isolationist, and the humans would not have been able to gain such power.  Power coupled with prejudice that led to the humans being able to oppress the elves for so long.