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[MisterJB]

 

It still seems hypocritical because it looks as though the elves got their magic and all that by hunting, slaying and siphoning off the "blood" of the Titans for their magical world. Going into the dwarven territory, knocking down statues of their gods and placing their own there.

 

I think the Evanuris came in, attacked the dwarves and the Titans. Stole all their stuff, made workers (read:slaves) mine the lyrium for them to siphon off. So, you know how Tevinter is said to be built off the bones of elven legacy? Well, I think the elven legacy was built off the bones of the dwarves.

 

Solas says the evanuris' worship came after a war. And there is that song which was hinted as meaning that Mythal denied the dwarves the sun.

So, the war he refers to could have been one between elves and dwarves where the elves were victorious and drove the dwarves underground to mine lyrium for them.

[King Killoth]

said the same thing to my Qunari Inquisitor.. I think he wishes to bring back the ancient elves and wipe out all modern races. to that I tried to reason with him and show him that it dose not need to be that way. I can only hope the new hero will show him that the modern races are worth keeping around. the world dose not need to end.

[SolNebula]

Interesting enough modern elves seems to follow him according to the ending. Who knows? Maybe in Tevinter there is going to be a brutal elven slave uprising provoked by Solas.

[Rekkampum]

 

 

"In order for my people to be reborn, yours must die."

 

"If your people must die, I would have them do it in confort."

 

Thus speaks Solas to a Human Inquisitor with which he is friendly. Never at any point there is any reassurances. He leaves no room for doubt.

He sees no way to restore the elves without destroying for, at the beginning, he did not even see people without magic as people at all. However, should the Veil be brought down, Humanity will perish.

 

It may be so that future games will offer a third path but, for now, this is what we have open before us.

 

If the Veil continues, humans will continue to rule Thedas. Naturally, this means the opression of elves.

 

However, without the Veil, elves would be all that they once were and they would rule Thedas, causing the extinction of humankind.

 

It is possible some humans may survive altough this is doubtful. Remember that, per lore, the Crossroads is intrinsically hostile to anyone who is not an elf. Even if a few survive, they would be opressed.

 

So, on which side do you stand?

 

Would you like a future elven PC to help Solas fulfill his plans? Or a human PC who puts an end to the Dread Wolf once and for all?

 

 

Solas is one who wishes for freedom and the right to individuality. I highly doubt he'd welcome the notion of oppressing other races, especially considering how he dealt with the tyranny of the evanuris.

 

I think humans and others who have a connection to the Fade through magic already would likely be the main ones to survive if the veil fell.  It follows that such would be the case considering how central a connection with magic was to the elves before the veil was created.

 

I'm pretty sure that the solution won't be that simple. You'll likely have to bust your ass, but there definitely will be another means to rectify the dilemma.

[Guitar-Hero]

If they are as scrawny as the DAI elves then doubt they will be a problem. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

If they are as scrawny as the DAI elves then doubt they will be a problem. 

 

Yeah and a we have a scrawny bald elf who can turn armies of bulky muscled fighters into petrified stone with his mere eyes. Muscles won't win against Solas. You have to use Seeker training to reinforce reality and deny him his magical power.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

What Solas aims to do is create a Rift or Breach so massive the Veil would collapse and in that moment utilize Time Magic to run back time.

 

That is why you and those in your world were not seen as "real" to him. You were a mistake - a point in time he could rewind and would never happen. A dream. A figment.

 

That is why we were forced to see Time Magic twice in game. Once at Redcliffe, and just to make sure Solas was aware that time magic was possible, again at that one Tevinter temple with Servis.

 

Time Magic is also only possible when the Veil is massively damaged. It s not that we might die, it is that Thedas as we know it with its people now might never even be born, erased from existence permanently or they might exist in a really awful state.

[stop_him]

I say good. Annihilate the reign of the human PC!

[xPez]

If the next game is PC vs Solas I'm going to be an Elf, standing against their own people for what is right.

[Drasanil]

From my understanding, the humans came from the north somewhere. Fleeing some shadow goddess. When they got there the elves started attacking them.

 

Nah that story Solas tells you is about the migration that led to the creation of modern Ferelden, the Imperium would have already long been on the scene by that point. 

[Kulyok]

Dear Solas,

 

You were created by a human writer. All elves had, in fact, been created by humans.

 

Best,

Inquisitor

 

P.S. MYAHAHA!

 

 

 

 

Seriously, though, the way the poor elves' been treated, I'd rather choose the elves. I'm rooting for the underdog. Besides, Hawke is dead, and my other protagonists were elven.

[fizzypop]

Um what he says to a human he says to an elf as well. The fact is it has nothing to do with Elves. It has to do with HIS culture and HIS society. He could give a **** less about anyone that includes Elves dalish or otherwise. What's ironic is he complains about the mages who were like Gods...and yet here he is acting exactly as they once did. Using and abusing people for his own selfish desires.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Sounds fine be me humans are arrogant fools anyway. Time for them to be slaves and see how nice that was. Also Solas said modern day elves are like that because they lacked the connection to the Fade when restored they will return as they were. So it is indeed Elves vs Humans. Notice how in the ends elves left the humans institutions and Inquisition. Fen'Harel seems to unite elves under his banner.

What part of the Elves destroyed their own Empire with good old fashion Elven Hubris don't you get? Humans just moved into the power vacuum this created.

[SolNebula]

What part of the Elves destroyed their own Empire with good old fashion Elven Hubris don't you get? Humans just moved into the power vacuum this created.

 

The part where humans didn't do anything better when they moved in, with Tevinter slavery, exalted marches and many more injustices to this world.

[fizzypop]

I must admit I was not aware he used the same wording to an elven Inquisitor. I had assumed he said "our people" and "humans will die".

With that being said, it is still modern elves who are joining him. In the coming conflict, they will be his forces. And they will do it because they believe it will bring about a new elven world to replace the current human one.

 

So? Templars or Mages joined corypheus it still didn't make it a Mage Vs Templar battle. Mostly because both sides had some mages/templars. This isn't really about race. This is more about Solas and his quest to restore what he believes to be his culture/his world. I'm going to guess even if he succeeds it will not look like it once was and it will not be what it once was either. It will backfire big time.

[fizzypop]

What part of the Elves destroyed their own Empire with good old fashion Elven Hubris don't you get? Humans just moved into the power vacuum this created.

Not all Elves though. Even in Solas' world many of the elves were slaves to the gods. It isn't like they had a choice in the matter.

[rapscallioness]

Nah that story Solas tells you is about the migration that led to the creation of modern Ferelden, the Imperium would have already long been on the scene by that point. 

 

No, it was the whole of the human tribes at first that were fleeing from the north. Known as the Neromenians before they tribed up again and out into the different human groups that then created the Imperium and then Ferelden, etc.

[Drasanil]

No, it was the whole of the human tribes at first that were fleeing from the north. Known as the Neromenians before they tribed up again and out into the different human groups that then created the Imperium and then Ferelden, etc.

 

Just looked it up, Tevinter wasn't on the scene but was still mostly right, it was specifically the Alamarri the original tribe of Ferelden, nothing to do with the Neromenians. 

 

• 5185 FA or -1220 TE: The Alamarri tribes cross the Frostback Mountains and settle in the lands that will eventually become known as Ferelden. Alamarri tribal legends says they were fleeing a “shadow goddess”, but modern scholars believe they were escaping a sort of natural disaster.^[3]

[rapscallioness]

 

Just looked it up, Tevinter wasn't on the scene but was still mostly right, it was specifically the Alamarri the original tribe of Ferelden, nothing to do with the Neromenians. 

 

• 5185 FA or -1220 TE: The Alamarri tribes cross the Frostback Mountains and settle in the lands that will eventually become known as Ferelden. Alamarri tribal legends says they were fleeing a “shadow goddess”, but modern scholars believe they were escaping a sort of natural disaster.^[3]

 

 

Okay, but what I was responding to was a question about where did the humans come from, at all. Not about the founding of Fereldan.

 

I must have gotten the reason the humans came to Thedas in the first place wrong, though. They did not flee a shadow goddess to Thedas? Why the humans came to Thedas at all is a mystery. Although some say they were always here. No one seems sure.

 

But yeah, it was not about the founding of Fereldan I was referring to, though, I see how my incorrect reference to the shadow goddess would make it seem like that.

 

edit: Ah, "The humans are said to have first appeared from the north  as a single tribe known as the Neromenians. It's not known where they came from or why they came. The first human settlers were met with hostility from the ruling elves..."

[Mykel54]

One detail to note is the conversation between Solas and Abelas in front of the well of sorrows. Abelas ask Solas if there are "elvhen" out there, "like him", and Solas says yes, there is a place for you - but not specifics obviously.

 

I get the feeling there is a place on the eluvian network with a bunch of arlathan elvhes in uthenera, waiting to be awaken by Solas when the time is right. Probably before creating the veil, Solas had his "pure elvhes" guided to a place where they would be protected from the cataclysm of creating the veil and banishing the other elf-gods.

 

So i very much doubt that Solas cares much about the simple "elves", judging how condescending Abelas was. I think when he tells Flemeth "the people need me", it´s just those elvhen in uthenera, the rest of them seem to him like non-persons. I think Felassan was one of those uthenera elvhes awaken by Solas, but the majority of them probably remain sleeping.

[Milan92]

Just go colonize Mars, Zod.

[rapscallioness]

Rereading that passage makes me realize that when the humans first arrived on the scene, there was not a Veil yet. The elves thought the loss of the immortality was because of contact with humans. We now know it was because Solas created the Veil.

 

So, when humans first got there.....the Fade was intertwined with Thedas in a very real way? I'm trying to imagine what that may have been like for them. Sooo, even the humans knew of a time before the Veil?

 

Huh, too bad we do not have any old references from human lore that would shed light on this time before times.

 

Or do we, and I've missed it?

[SolNebula]

One detail to note is the conversation between Solas and Abelas in front of the well of sorrows. Abelas ask Solas if there are "elvhen" out there, "like him", and Solas says yes, there is a place for you - but not specifics obviously.

 

I get the feeling there is a place on the eluvian network with a bunch of arlathan elvhes in uthenera, waiting to be awaken by Solas when the time is right. Probably before creating the veil, Solas had his "pure elvhes" guided to a place where they would be protected from the cataclysm of creating the veil and banishing the other elf-gods.

 

So i very much doubt that Solas cares much about the simple "elves", judging how condescending Abelas was. I think when he tells Flemeth "the people need me", it´s just those elvhen in uthenera, the rest of them seem to him like non-persons. I think Felassan was one of those uthenera elvhes awaken by Solas, but the majority of them probably remain sleeping.

 

Well that's your assumption/speculation. We shall see.