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[Amne YA]

for all people saying it's not a human vs elf they are right and wrong, it's elves vs every other race. 
when the veil will be down. the elves will not die. but they will recover their immortality. and the elf gods ( very powerful mages and war leaders )  will be free to lead them to battle. 
so pray. pray the Titans  link to the dwarfs help them . pray the link between dragon and Qunari  help them  .   and pray the maker if he exit to  save the humans. cause the elves are coming !   

[Stark777]

Elgarnan will return and he will decide Thedas destiny

 

i think that's a strong possibility when Solas' plan backfires AGAIN.

 

 

And then we'll have to face a real villain who is arguably even more powerful than Solas.... can't wait for it

[Mevanna]

Yeah, but imagine the plot twist if one of Solas' plans actually works for a change. ^^

[Stark777]

Yeah, but imagine the plot twist if one of Solas' plans actually works for a change. ^^

 

That will scare the s**t out of me!!

[Mevanna]

I mean, technically his Veil plan worked so far. The Evanuris have not destroyed the world. Yet.

 

Just because it's working, that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. ^^

[Hellion Rex]

 

According to Cole, Solas seemed to have considered Felassan as "his friend", but from what I read from the book, Felassan seemed pretty terrified about failing his mission and defying Fen'Harel's will, and the "obey or die" dynamic is not usually how I imagined "friendship" to be. Maybe part of the reason why a lot of people don't think the mysterious fade figure to be Fen'Harel when the evidence is so obvious is that what was described in the book is very different from the kind and caring Solas we knew in the main game. But after meeting him in Trespasser, the similarities began to show. I like Felassan and cannot unseen what Solas has done.

 

Relevant quotes about Fen'Harel from the book:

The thought of staying awake struck him. He had herbs that would keep him from dreaming most of the time, and wards that would do a good job of blocking him from the Fade when the herbs failed. He could have a lovely time, he thought, running and hiding and looking over one shoulder for the rest of his life.

...

“Yes, I know. She deserves a chance,” Felassan said. “And what’s the harm, really? Why not let the girl try?”

Behind him, there was only silence. There would be no debate, no logical argument or impassioned plea. Felassan had known that when he sat down before the campfire.

 

And yet, Solas himself said that he did not get to where he was without getting his hands bloody. I absolutely see it in character for him to kill Felassan. And on top of that, Solas is already bent on genocide. If Fel stood in the way of that, then yes, Solas would kill him.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, but imagine the plot twist if one of Solas' plans actually works for a change. ^^

Then we don't have a game if everyone dies.

[Jaison1986]

An important point of understanding Solas's perspective is not misrepresenting him. Solas is not out to help anyone of the modern era by 'restoring' them in any sense:

 

The point is that the descendants of whoever manages to survive will be magical, and the descendants of whatever elves survive will be super-magical, and he'll use them to recreate his envisioned better world.

 

It can kill 99.99% of all elves, but as long as the remainder are now immortal he'll 'win.'

 

Except, it doesn't undo the damage, and thinking it does is why he's insane.

 

The ancient elves who died are still dead. The ancient relics that were lost will still be gone. The culture is irreversably changed- in the people who will survive, in the ones who remember. Not even the Fade-memories can perfectly remember and restore.

 

The fairness due to Solas is not only is his ambition monstrous, but it's impossible. He can win in destroying the world, but he'll never be able to recreate the old as it was. No more than Corypheus would have been able to restore the Tevinter that was.

 

How can you tell? You were born in the unnatural world. The world of Thedas, the way it is now, is an mutation, a shadow of it's former self. The natural state of things is when magic and mundane were the same. In the end, mages are in fact what lingers of what once was. Being a mage was originally the natural state of the people of Thedas.

 

There are still ancient elves about. They slept like Solas did, and now many of them are slowly awakening, like the guardians of Mythal or Felassan. It's like Solas said to Abelas "the people yet linger". So how can you be so sure that the marvels of old can't be restored? Solas likely remembers them very well.

 

People are so opposed to Solas, but are we so different? When we arrive at future Redcliffe, the world has been completely changed to something we thought horrible, and our first move was to want to go back and restore the world as it was. How can we claim to be better, when we so quickly follow the same steps as Solas? People should stop to ponder about that for a moment.

 

Does that mean I support his purge? No, I don't. I understand his reasoning perfectly, but I still would struggle to stop him. It is after all, human nature to cling to what we hold dear, and there are good things in this world worth preserving and good people worth saving. If there is no option, I would fight Solas to the death, but instead, I would prefer to show him that there is aways another way.

[tanuki]

 

According to Cole, Solas seemed to have considered Felassan as "his friend", but from what I read from the book, Felassan seemed pretty terrified about failing his mission and defying Fen'Harel's will, and the "obey or die" dynamic is not usually how I imagined "friendship" to be. Maybe part of the reason why a lot of people don't think the mysterious fade figure to be Fen'Harel when the evidence is so obvious is that what was described in the book is very different from the kind and caring Solas we knew in the main game. But after meeting him in Trespasser, the similarities began to show. I like Felassan and cannot unseen what Solas has done.

 

I think I also read somewhere that the writers initially planned Solas to be much more ruthless and cold-hearted person than he eventually ended to be, and probably when Mr. Weekes wrote TME, the Fen'Harel character was still envisioned like that.

[Sjofn]

Ex-Tranquil mage volatility is a point Cassandra brings up as part of the end of her character arc, post-Seeker-reveal. It is a case of tell, not show, but it's the authority source we have on this- and what we're told is that mages are volatile post-tranquility, a danger, and may or may not eventually recover with time. That's an unknown.

 

There's a bit of a moral choice presented- whether the player thinks it should be tried or not. But Cassandra definitely sets it up in radical contrast to the idea of 'ex-Tranquil = Seeker immune to possession.'

 

I find the notion Cassandra isn't emotionally volatile sort of amusing.

 

She doesn't set it up as "they'll be demon bait" though. She sets it up as "they still won't be as they were," which is very different from what you're assuming. She says absolutely nothing about possession. An furious mage is dangerous all on their own, no possession required.

[Illegitimus]

How can you tell? You were born in the unnatural world. The world of Thedas, the way it is now, is an mutation, a shadow of it's former self. The natural state of things is when magic and mundane were the same. In the end, mages are in fact what lingers of what once was. Being a mage was originally the natural state of the people of Thedas.

 

 

 

I'm a bit skeptical because I keep wondering where the humans came from.  I don't think the natural state of the world is one that has no Veil.  I think Solas didn't so much create the Veil in Thedas as restore it.  

[Bowie Hawkins]

for all people saying it's not a human vs elf they are right and wrong, it's elves vs every other race. 
when the veil will be down. the elves will not die. but they will recover their immortality. and the elf gods ( very powerful mages and war leaders )  will be free to lead them to battle. 
so pray. pray the Titans  link to the dwarfs help them . pray the link between dragon and Qunari  help them  .   and pray the maker if he exit to  save the humans. cause the elves are coming !   

 

Based on Solas telling my Lavellan that her people would die when he changes teh world, it looks more like it's ancient elves vs everybody else, with Dalish and City elves being on the "everybody else" side of the equation.

[Stark777]

Based on Solas telling my Lavellan that her people would die when he changes teh world, it looks more like it's ancient elves vs everybody else, with Dalish and City elves being on the "everybody else" side of the equation.

 

That's certainly the impression I got too playing with my Lavellan Inquisitor. Solas didn´t even see modern elves as people after he awakened and he also states many times during DA:I that modern elves are not his people.

[RazorrX]

If you think about it, if the world had no veil, and the Elvhen were the masters of the known world, the only race, etc. then when the veil was formed, things were trapped on both sides.  Elvhen were trapped in the fade and things from the fade were trapped here.  It *could* be that the magic that created the Veil also caused changes to the things left on this side.  It *could* be that Humans, qunari, kossith, etc. came from that magic mutation.  The remaining Elvhen changed into the current Elves, mortal and mundane.  Why not other races being created (perhaps even mutated from spirits, elvhen, etc.).

 

Knowing what Solas intends (the destruction of this world to bring back the Elvhen), even my elven characters would stand against him.  He would kill everyone to bring back a race of Valheru basically.  In his dream world every current race is gone, only his people would be left, and his people suck.

[Toasted Llama]

I think the ancient elves are actually the Spirits in the Fade.

 

 

When you complete the All New Faded for Her quest, the spirit, now back to it's normal form, is shown as an ELF speaking ELVEN.

 

Elves were immortal, spirits in essence are too, they're reborn.

 

If the Fade and the normal world merge, spirits would survive.

 

 

What if the elves that were stuck in the fade became the spirits and the elves stuck in the real world became the modern elves?

 

They both lost aspects that was part of the other world: the modern elves lost the immortality because they lost the fade, the spirits lost their physical bodies because they lost the physical world.

[berelinde]

As everyone else said, this isn't really a Humans vs. Elves thing. Worst-case scenario is that no-one but the ancient elves benefit from Solas' ultimate goal and even die the instant the veil is lifted. 

 

I also don't think it would ever get that far because then it would be harder for Bioware to make more games later.

I don't know. You must have read posts from people who want elves to be the only playable race.

 

I'm not serious, by the way. I fully expect that Solas will be an antagonist in some future game, and I'm looking forward to it. I love it when the antagonist is actually a sympathetic character instead of a mustache-twirling villain.

[Patchwork]

Understanding monsters like the Creators were a logical ending of a world full of "magic".

You can't control this type of power, it's just too much.

It only took seven people to go power crazy , and they were about to destroy the world and there was no way to destroy them.NO WAY.

They weren't killed just banished somewhere.

 

Just let one Creator get loose and watch Solas unable to deal with it and there you go.

See Solas ; bad plan is bad.

Anyway Solas needs to face one of his peers , to realise what he has become.

I still have my finger crossed Mythal is not too far gone .She doesn't have much power left , but she may be the only sane powerful entity around.

 

Maybe.

 

I'm not counting on Mythal though, for her to get revenge she needs Solas to release the others

[Lazarillo]

I'm not counting on Mythal though, for her to get revenge she needs Solas to release the others

 

That's assuming that Mythal wants revenge on them and not Solas in the first place.  I could see it going either way...

[solomon.kosin]

I think the ancient elves are actually the Spirits in the Fade.


When you complete the All New Faded for Her quest, the spirit, now back to it's normal form, is shown as an ELF speaking ELVEN.

Elves were immortal, spirits in essence are too, they're reborn.

If the Fade and the normal world merge, spirits would survive.


What if the elves that were stuck in the fade became the spirits and the elves stuck in the real world became the modern elves?

They both lost aspects that was part of the other world: the modern elves lost the immortality because they lost the fade, the spirits lost their physical bodies because they lost the physical world.

I thought much the same. Plus to this theory we know that elves can change their form so they become spirits to travel fade and "humans" to be in material world. The only thing is that during the Here lies the Abyss quest, if you bring Solas he says he has never been in the fade physically.

[KumoriYami]

I think the ancient elves are actually the Spirits in the Fade.

 

 

When you complete the All New Faded for Her quest, the spirit, now back to it's normal form, is shown as an ELF speaking ELVEN.

 

Elves were immortal, spirits in essence are too, they're reborn.

 

If the Fade and the normal world merge, spirits would survive.

 

 

What if the elves that were stuck in the fade became the spirits and the elves stuck in the real world became the modern elves?

 

They both lost aspects that was part of the other world: the modern elves lost the immortality because they lost the fade, the spirits lost their physical bodies because they lost the physical world.

 

I think this actually might be trueish, or at least its pretty likely, well it not be actually limited elves given that Cole is 'flat-eared'. Was said in trespasser: 

 

Cole: "The Veil isn't real. It's false, fake, fabricated to forbid. Isn't it wonderful?"

Cass: If what we have seen is true. It changes everything we knew about the Fade and this world.

Cole: It means I belong here! Helping, healing the hurt! I'm not a wrong thing, a wreck, a ruin. I'm what I should be! / (Sighs) Solas understands.

IB: Or he would, if he were here. His loss for taking off.

Cole: He doesn't want me to follow, but I can feel him here. All new, faded for her.

 

 

I thought much the same. Plus to this theory we know that elves can change their form so they become spirits to travel fade and "humans" to be in material world. The only thing is that during the Here lies the Abyss quest, if you bring Solas he says he has never been in the fade physically.

 

Solas could be lying about never being in the Fade physically.

 

one thing I don't really get though is that all elves seem to disappear except elf Inquisitor and Sera.

[Reznore57]

Maybe.

 

I'm not counting on Mythal though, for her to get revenge she needs Solas to release the others

 

I know .

I'm just hoping Mythal the Protector will come through.She has two sides , she preserve and protect and punish and destroy.

Her story is closer to current elves , she fell and they fell with her.

She endured being just a shadow of her former self , and the current elves did the same.

She was a Goddess in golden palaces she ended a swamp witch.

Elves were ruling the world , the biggest magical empire they end up hobos in the wood.

 

She still call the current elves "The People" so I hope she will stand up for them in the end.

It may not happen and she may be too far gone just like Solas.

I just like the idea of her being the savior all along.

[myahele]

It's interesting that in DA2 Flemeth refers to Merrill as of the People and that the People bend their knees to quickly. And when asked why she has not come to the aid of the elf she says "you don't know what you ask"

 

We know that ancient elves refer to themselves as the people, but they don't consider the modern ones as such.

[Han Shot First]

Thus spoke Solas to a Dalish Elf Inquisitor who was his friend.  So even modern Elves are not considered his people.

 

It is not a Elves vs humans thing, it is a Ancient Elves vs EVERYONE thing.

 

This.

 

If Solas isn't stopped (or convinced to alter his plans) everyone in Thedas is boned except for any Ancient Elves that might be in hiding, like those at the Temple of Mythal. The Dalish and City Elves will be dying alongside the humans, Dwarves, and Qunari. 

 

The end of the DLC basically set Solas up as an antagonist for a sequel. 

[norealer]

Just a slight off-topic question:

Do we know for sure if Felassan if physically dead or just made tranquil in the end? The wiki says "dreamers can kill or drive the sleeping people mad...and there are stories of ancient Tevinter magisters who were able fend off rivals by haunting or killing them in their dreams.", but then we also have the example of Feynriel, where killing him in the fade made him tranquil. So what is the cannon consequence of dreamers being killed in the fade?

 

Also, if Solas was able to kill a dreamer like Felassan when he was newly awakened. What's stopping him from killing anyone(mage or non-mage) or driving them mad if they stand in the way of his grand scheme especially now that he is all powered up. Granted that Felassan didn't even try to fight back, but it would be still be a good way of assassination, and only dwarf inquisitor might be immune to that.