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[AVPen]

In the Trespasser DLC, if you use the Inquisitor's new Anchor Discharge ability (with Anchor Blast) to destroy the gaatlok bombs in front of a collapsed entrance in the Deep Roads, you can clear the debris and find an Eluvian, which takes you to another Dread Wolf puzzle. However, it is what's behind the puzzle that's the most interesting - a mural, displaying the death of a Titan:

 

With veilfire, you can see a veilfire rune on the mural which contains the following codex entry:

In the light of the veilfire, the runes seems to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting:

"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the Pillars of the Earth and rendered their Demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"

 

For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.

 

The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.

 

A new vision appears: Elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.

 

Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.

 

A voice whispers:

 

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The people must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

 

After reading the rune, the Inquisitor says the following sentence:

"The runes say the Evanuris fought the Titans. They mined their bodies for lyrium and... something else. It's not clear."

 

(I'm assuming that my Inquisitor used the word "Titans" because she completed the Descent DLC and knows what they are - he/she may have a different line if they never play through the Descent DLC)

[rapscallioness]

Oooo, I did not see this.

 

Hmm, but you know I ran across an entry that was beseeching to Elgar'nan to bring down a fiery light of death thing (sorry Idk how to get the codex. if i restart my game, will they be there?) to smite the "Earth". I do not think they literally meant the earth, though. I think they meant the Titans, and maybe the dwarves.

 

Anyway, they were ticked with this "Earth" because they..fought back against them, I believe, and somehow got to place where they could not be reached.. they said help us tame the Land.

 

Elgar'nan did smite the "Earth". Then they celebrated his victory.

 

There is also something about how this "collapsed rock the size of a mountain" was swarmed over by workers. They rebuilt it into a statue of a victorious Elgar'nan...with a glowing sneering smile.

 

Your post is interesting. What was it that they were sealing up? Could the Evanuris in their greed have unleashed the darkspawn/blight? An angry energy/response to what had been done to them/Titans? And they were trying to contain it?

 

Did the evaburis..pervert something..in their greed for something else, they screwed up in their arrogance. The result being the blight and all that? Somehow it was found and unleashed?

 

Alternatively, the Titans get very agitated when the veil is ripped. Earthquakes. Yet, this is what Solas wants to do. Unleash the fade again. That could destroy all because of the Titan reaction to it.

 

Yet, this does not make sense either because what came first, the fade or the titans? If the fade has always been, then you would think the Titans would not adversely react to it like they do.

 

Unless ofc....the Fade itself is some type of elaborate magical artificial construct itself empowered and made possible by the pure "blood" of the Titans. Used to create and sustain a deep, powerful magic. A magic that is necessary for these..people.. to have power and immotality.

 

  hmm, that's alot of speculation, lol!, but there's something very weird going on here.

[Stark777]

Where exactly is this mural, please?

[aerisblight]

I had hoped to piggyback a titan. Cuz. U know....
But they turned out to be impossible to piggyback guess this stays on the bucket list.

[Mr.House]

Very interesting and is making alot of pieces fall in place.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Collapsing caverns and sealing the Deep Roads? Why I have never heard of such a thing! *coughdarkspawncough*

[Mr.House]

And if the Black City was an elven city or a place that was part of this that held that corruption, then was locked into the fade, then what happen to the magisters makes perfect sense.

[xPez]

Demense essentially means land right? So Mythal defeated the Titans and gave the People their land, which is the Deep Roads. That explains the Deep Roads section of Trespasser, which was filled with statues of Mythal and Fen'Harel, but it had also clearly been made by dwarves.

 

Not sure what the vines signify, nor why the elven Deep Roads suddenly became too dangerous. Perhaps the Titans created Red Lyrium and the Blight in order to destroy the People? It could have infected Arlathan/Black City, which Solas then locked away in the Fade when he created the Veil, leading people to believe that the Black City was the origin of the Blight.

 

The final sentence is probably Solas.

 

This doesn't explain however, the relationship of the dwarves to the Elves. Were they created by the Titans? Were they enslaved by the Elves?

[MisterJB]

 

Completely missed that.

 

You seem to be absolutely right. The one eyed creature in the mural appears to be entirely composed of stone making it a Titan and not an Old God

 

To add to this theory, there is the codex entry which suggest that Mythal denied the dwarves the sun further proving how there was a conflict between elves and dwarves in ancient times.

 

Solas refers to Mythal as the first of his kind and says how a war is what caused evanuris' worship.

Notice the writing on the mural "Praise her name forever!" What if this was the war Solas refers to? Mythal defeats a Titan and is worshiped as a goddess.

 

Of course, now we must know what is the connection between the Blight, the Fade, the Titans and the Black City.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MisterJB]

 

The thing about the Blight is this:

 

The Darkspawn seek the Old Gods which are more than just dragons. Kieran proves this.

The Old Gods are imprisioned in the earth. Thus, are the Old Gods imprisioned by the Titans? How and Why?

Did slaying the Titans somehow messed with Dumat and the elves quickly sought ways of making sure he would not rise?

 

However, we have seen major displays of power by the evanuris. Mythal actually killing a Titan (how is unknown), Solas petrifying people with a blink.

Meanwhile, the Old Gods can and are slain by mortal hand. Granted, Mythal can be defeated by the HoF but she was only a wisp then.

So, couldn't the evanuris just strike down the Darkspawn? Were the Old Gods much more powerful before the Veil? Or are evanuris not as powerful as they would like people to believe?

 

And how does the Black City figure into all of this. We know there is Blight there and some other power. Solas did not predict Corypheus gaining immortality so, it seems that even he doesn't know what is in the Black City.

[xPez]

Was Mythal the first to be worshipped as a goddess? I can't remember seeing that, just that the Evanuris were the first.

 

I think the war was more likely a civil war, which lead to the losing side becoming the Forgotten Ones and the winning side were the Creators, the Evanuris. There was a really in-depth post about the collectable murals and what they represent, there was some really interesting theories in there and one of them I think mentioned two wars involving the Ancient Elves. One could have been the civil war and the other could have been against the Titans.

[Heimdall]

I'm still not convinced of the elven connection to the Black City.

 

The war with the Titans could be the war that elevated the Evanuris, though the way the war is referred to in the Temple of Mythal made it sound like something that happened while they were already worshiped as gods (Though it could be that the author was just writing at a later period).

 

Frankly all I want to know is how the Old Gods and Great Dragons fit into all this.  Solas makes clear that the Evanuris are sealed beyond the Veil, which doesn't support the idea of them being the Old Gods.  Neither does Solas' concern for the Old Gods being killed, as it seems like he'd be quite happy to see the Evanuris gone.  I'm actually happy about that, as I'd prefer there to be more actors in this story.

[MisterJB]

Was Mythal the first to be worshipped as a goddess? I can't remember seeing that, just that the Evanuris were the first.

 

I think the war was more likely a civil war, which lead to the losing side becoming the Forgotten Ones and the winning side were the Creators, the Evanuris. There was a really in-depth post about the collectable murals and what they represent, there was some really interesting theories in there and one of them I think mentioned two wars involving the Ancient Elves. One could have been the civil war and the other could have been against the Titans.

 

There is a codex entry detailing how the evanuris banished Xebenkeck, Gaxkang, Imshael and the Formless One.

Thus, I assume the Forbidden Ones and the Forgotten Ones are one and the same.

[Heimdall]

 

Solas refers to Mythal as the first of his kind and says how a war is what caused evanuris' worship.

He was using Mythal as an example, but he seemed to be referring to the Evanuris in general when he said "the first of my people do not die easy"

 

I'm not sure what that means, but I find it interesting to speculate.

[Mr.House]

I'm still not convinced of the elven connection to the Black City.

 

The war with the Titans could be the war that elevated the Evanuris, though the way the war is referred to in the Temple of Mythal made it sound like something that happened while they were already worshiped as gods (Though it could be that the author was just writing at a later period).

 

Frankly all I want to know is how the Old Gods and Great Dragons fit into all this.  Solas makes clear that the Evanuris are sealed beyond the Veil, which doesn't support the idea of them being the Old Gods.  Neither does Solas' concern for the Old Gods being killed, as it seems like he'd be quite happy to see the Evanuris gone.  I'm actually happy about that, as I'd prefer there to be more actors in this story.

The old gods might not be the Evanuris but they could be connected, considering that Solas wants to protect them.

[Heimdall]

The old gods might not be the Evanuris but they could be connected, considering that Solas wants to protect them.

That might be something he knows about them rather than an connection between them and the Evanuris.

[MisterJB]

 

And the Maker is just chilling

"Not My problem."

 

Seriously tough, Andraste and Solas both rebelled against tyrannical mages.

 

Solas could not have been the Maker or Shartan because he admits to having been asleep until the Dragon Age. But I wonder if there is a connection.

[Mr.House]

Really, it's what Coryfish says that still makes me believe the black city is connected to the elves. "You promised us the power of the gods." What gods would Dumat and co be talking about?

[MisterJB]

Really, it's what Coryfish says that still makes me believe the black city is connected to the elves. "You promised us the power of the gods." What gods would Dumat and co be talking about?

 

Themselves. According to the Chant of Light in TWoT Volume 2, the Old Gods promised that if the Seven could breach the Veil and appear before them in person, they would be raised to divinity.

 

Now, the evanuris would have good reason for wanting the Veil breached. And according to writings in the Temple of Mythal, the form of a dragon was a form reserved for the gods.

 

If we remove Mythal and Fen'Harel, there are seven evanuris in the elven pantheon. And there are seven Old Gods.

 

The Old Gods are imprisioned by rock and stone AKA the Titans. And the Titans are affected if the Veil is disturbed. Thus, the Magisters entering the Fade in their physical forms should have really bothered the Titans.

 

You know, I am actually starting to become really convinced the Old Gods are the evanuris.

 

The reason Solas was bothered by the Grey Warden's plan could have been because he feared releasing the last two.
 

[Mr.House]

And yet Coryfish makes it clear there was no one there, no maker, no old gods, nothing. Just blackness. SO the million dollar question is this, how was the black city already corrupted.

[llandwynwyn]

Nice find, thanks for sharing!

[ZoliCs]

You know, I am actually starting to become really convinced the Old Gods are the evanuris.

 

The reason Solas was bothered by the Grey Warden's plan could have been because he feared releasing the last two.
 

 

But the Old Gods weren't sealed away beyond the Veil. My bet is still that they are the Forgotten Ones.

[Mr.House]

But the Old Gods weren't sealed away beyond the Veil. My bet is still that they are the Forgotten Ones.

Forgotten ones are most likely the forbidden ones.

[myahele]

Valta does say that Titans shaped the world "within and without" so I can imagine the Evanuris must not have liked it when their creations/ buildings were subsequently destroyed due to Titans merely doing what comes naturally for them.

 

From what we know

1. Dragons ruled the skies before the veil

2. Great War in which gave rise to the Evanuris

3. Legend/propaganda says Elgar'nan defeated the Sun who was harming the Earth. As punishment he locked the Sun deep into the Earth and subsequently plunged the world in darkness and life ceased to exists and it was Mythal that convinced him to forgive the Sun

4. Trespasser codex says that Mythal is denying others the Sun

[Daerog]

People were able to see the City during the height of the Tevinter Imperium, and they say it was Golden. Then the Sin occurred and when mages look to the City they refer to it as Black without knowing what happened. Those not involved noticed a change to the City.

 

The corruption may have been inside the City, and when it released, it turned the City black... or it became corrupt when they brought their corrupt minds into the Fade? When Cory walks in, he sees it as Black, but before he entered it was Gold... I would think that the corruption happened simultaneously with Cory and Co's arrival... or maybe it was always Black inside and they just unleashed it... then again, what was the Black? The blight? It seems the blight has always been around deep in the world, but no darkspawn until the Magisters tried to ascend.

 

Also, Titans are able to resist the blight, or at least their presence keeps the blight at bay. That is quite interesting... get to know the Titans more (somehow), learn more about that magical dagger and sword that was able to repel the blight, and the world could very well be saved from the blight without having to go near the last two Old Gods.