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[Daerog]

Red Lyrium is infected with the Blight so... I guess there's a Blighted Titan down there somewhere.

 

Maybe, maybe not. To say it is the Titan's blood is probably more of an analogy.... I'm just guessing, though.

[Mr.House]

They were neither locked away nor sleeping. They were just in the Fade.

 

 

Link? (Unless it's from this DLC.) I've read a codex in this DLC about the Forgotten ones, and they weren't named. And I can't imagine how they could be beyond the Veil if they were banished before there even was a Veil.

There is a codex in this dlc that confirms they banished the forbidden ones, plus Imshael knew how to open the network.

[Jaison1986]

Ok, here is my theory:

 

Is that the black city is Arlathan itself. There is an tale that Andruil went to the void, the place were the forgotten ones dwell, and found a corruption that gave her great power, and she made an armor made of that corruption, and in her wars for power, Andruil spread great misery and plagues. Andruil brought the taint, the blight. And in that war Arlathan was corrupted. When Solas created the veil the trap the elven gods, he also use it as an way to keep the corrupted city away, hence, the black city was born.

 

Also, the legend says the dread wolf trapped the forgotten ones in the abyss. I believe it means the old gods in the deep roads. From what we learned in JoH, great dragons are high dragons possessed by an powerful spirit/demon. The old gods are high dragons possessed by the spirit of the forgotten ones themselves, making them entities similar to Flemeth. It would make sense, as the forgotten ones dwelled in the void, and the blight came from there. That's why it has the power to corrupt them into archdemons.

 

And my final piece. Andraste. She was said to have visions of the Maker, but what if that Maker was the soul of Dumat speaking to her? Like Urthemiel did to Kieran. Andraste after all was born the same year Dumat was slain, and the armor of the warden hero that slew Dumat was found in Ferelden, and yet, records suggest Dumat was killed in Tevinter, UNLESS a dark ritual was performed, an dark ritual taught by Mythal herself. After all we do see a mosaic of Mythal under the temple of sacred ashes during the final battle with Corypheus. That could be a direct hint that Mythal was involved in the events of Andraste life.

[Daerog]

So... I guess Imshael, Xeb, and others were like material beings who ascended, like the elf gods. They were never just demons.

[ZoliCs]

There is a codex in this dlc that confirms they banished the forbidden ones, plus Imshael knew how to open the network.

 

I'll look that up, but one does not need to be god to know the Eluvians.

[Mr.House]

I'll look that up, but one does not need to be god to know the Eluvians.

He knew the keypass to the network, something even Solas did not know.

[ZoliCs]

He knew the keypass to the network, something even Solas did not know.

 

So did Briala.

[Mr.House]

So did Briala.

Briala learned it from him

[Heimdall]

Ok, here is my theory:
 
Is that the black city is Arlathan itself. There is an tale that Andruil went to the void, the place were the forgotten ones dwell, and found a corruption that gave her great power, and she made an armor made of that corruption, and in her wars for power, Andruil spread great misery and plagues. Andruil brought the taint, the blight. And in that war Arlathan was corrupted. When Solas created the veil the trap the elven gods, he also use it as an way to keep the corrupted city away, hence, the black city was born.

There's nothing in the lore about Arlathan being corrupted and we know it still existed in Thedas at the time of the Imperium, they laid siege to it and sunk it beneath the earth when that proved two costly. Plus, the city is known to have appeared Golden prior to the arrival of the Magisters.
 

Also, the legend says the dread wolf trapped the forgotten ones in the abyss. I believe it means the old gods in the deep roads. From what we learned in JoH, great dragons are high dragons possessed by an powerful spirit/demon. The old gods are high dragons possessed by the spirit of the forgotten ones themselves, making them entities similar to Flemeth. It would make sense, as the forgotten ones dwelled in the void, and the blight came from there. That's why it has the power to corrupt them into archdemons.

Um, no we still don't know what Great Dragons are. Binding spirits to dragons or animal bodies is something we've only seen from the Avvar, not the elves.
 

And my final piece. Andraste. She was said to have visions of the Maker, but what if that Maker was the soul of Dumat speaking to her? Like Urthemiel did to Kieran. Andraste after all was born the same year Dumat was slain, and the armor of the warden hero that slew Dumat was found in Ferelden, and yet, records suggest Dumat was killed in Tevinter, UNLESS a dark ritual was performed, an dark ritual taught by Mythal herself. After all we do see a mosaic of Mythal under the temple of sacred ashes during the final battle with Corypheus. That could be a direct hint that Mythal was involved in the events of Andraste life.

That might be possible, but I don't see how a warden's armor turning up in Fereldan means a Dark Ritual was performed. I don't actually remember finding that armor, what was it?

[Daerog]

Ya, you need some sort of connection with the elf gods to enter the Crossroads. Either being one or being told by one. Briala got the code from an agent of Solas and Morrigan just knows a lot and is tied to Mythal.

 

It's like playing 6 degrees with old gods.

[Heimdall]

Briala learned it from him

I think the point is that he could have learned it from someone else, or another spirit. Possessing them does not necessarily indicate direct affiliation with the elven gods.

[kukumburr]

I'll look that up, but one does not need to be god to know the Eluvians.

 

This is the one that talks about the Forbidden Ones:

 

Vir Dirthala: Exile of the Forbidden Ones

The pages of this book - memory? - show the blazing forms of the Evanuris banishing a howling spirit from the reaches of the Fade that touch their lands. A voice rings out, stern and imperial:

 

"For abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee to where the Earth could not reach, we declare Xebenkeck and others of her ilk exiled from the lands of the Evanuris. Beware! Their familiarity with shape allows them to travel paths unaided. They may be bound, but only the protection of your gods will fully shield you from their malice. They are Forbidden from the Earth that is our right."

[Mr.House]

Wait, my bad. Briala learned it from Felassan(who was a agent of Solas). she got the keystone from Imshael.

[Heimdall]

Wait, my bad. Briala learned it from Felassan(who was a agent of Solas). she got the keystone from Imshael.

Felassan never got the code, getting it and the keystone was his job, he even prevents Briala from telling him. I think Briala learned it from a tablet in the Crossroads or something.

[Daerog]

Felassan never got the code, getting it and the keystone was his job, he even prevents Briala from telling him. I think Briala learned it from a tablet in the Crossroads or something.

 

Oh, that's right, I was wrong earlier.

[MisterJB]

 

Doesn't she choose the password? Pretty sure she chose the password when she claimed the keystone.

[Mr.House]

Felassan never got the code, getting it and the keystone was his job, he even prevents Briala from telling him. I think Briala learned it from a tablet in the Crossroads or something.

AH that's right, jut did a quick re-read. She offered to give him the code she created but refused and then went to report to Solas in the fade and welp, we all know how that turned out.

 

Still, the fact that Imshael was able to create a keystone to activate the network is extreamly suspicious, now with it confirmed he was banished from the ancient elves.

[rapscallioness]

Ohh, interesting, I missed this. Looking back at some other codex entries, these seem relevant:

 

*snip*

 

"They made bodies from the earth, and the earth was afraid. It fought back, but they made it forget."

 

There are stories of the Evanuris "creating" animals and such, perhaps they had something to do with the creation of dwarves and/or darkspawn, as empty vessels? And that made the Titans mad or something?

 

 

There is also a convo with an Archivist in the Eluvian spaces..(are we in the Fade when traveling to those areas? Or..where are we in those situations? The crossroads?) .  I can't remember the details, but the Archivist says, or relives, a memory. It was something along the lines of a people talking; there was fear; then a Light-a blinding light that, tbh, sounded like a weapon; it came down on them. Afterwards these people say, "I can't...I can't...remember.."

[Heimdall]

AH that's right, jut did a quick re-read. She offered to give him the code she created but refused and then went to report to Solas in the fade and welp, we all know how that turned out.

 

Still, the fact that Imshael was able to create a keystone to activate the network is extreamly suspicious, now with it confirmed he was banished from the ancient elves.

That he existed back then alone provides for an explanation for how he might have that kind of knowledge.

[Jaison1986]

There's nothing in the lore about Arlathan being corrupted and we know it still existed in Thedas at the time of the Imperium, they laid siege to it and sunk it beneath the earth when that proved two costly. Plus, the city is known to have appeared Golden prior to the arrival of the Magisters.
 
Um, no we still don't know what Great Dragons are. Binding spirits to dragons or animal bodies is something we've only seen from the Avvar, not the elves.
 
That might be possible, but I don't see how a warden's armor turning up in Fereldan means a Dark Ritual was performed. I don't actually remember finding that armor, what was it?

 

1) Abelas himself says "The shemlen did not destroyed Arlathan, we elves warred upon our own" That implies the elves destroyed Arlathan themselves. And Corypheus says in Legacy that the city was already black when he arrived.

 

2) It's an theory that goes around that great dragons are high dragons possessed by spirits, and that makes them special. Of course there is no confirmation yet.

 

3) The armor of the sentinel http://dragonage.wik...inel_armor_set 

 

It could be possible that the warden that slew Dumat might be Andraste real father. And he followed her mother to Ferelden were Andraste was born.

[Dabrikishaw]

Dwarves vs. Elves. Classic.

It kinda is when you think about it.

[rapscallioness]

So, the Evanuris first went to war with the Titans and dwarves, possibly. They were victorious and eventually became deified because of this.

 

Then they engage in a civil war--of which I'm not certain why? This led to the destruction of Arlathan, and possibly the death of Mythal and the destruction of her temples.

 

Then Solas/Fen'Harel creates the Veil to stop this madness.

[solomon.kosin]

The archdemons have the ability to return to life by possesing the bodies of other random darkspawn right?

So they basically change bodies.

Flemeth or Mythal in DA2 also changes body and she says that bodies are just that, nothing. And that is how she lives so long, she is almost immortal.

Solas in Trespasser days that he did not think of Cory learning the secret of immortality. The very secret which both Solas and Mythal and OG know