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[azarhal]

I don't know how on topic this is but I was just playing a new play through and was speaking to Cole about Templars. He made a comment about how they feel a particular way, something to do with the lyrium they use, that lets them repel magic. He then says it's the same for Varric. I wish I knew exactly what it said but my first impression was that thought was that it has something to do with the Titans.

Then it could have been nothing too.

 

It's the Lyrium, that is Titan's blood and the Templars ingest it to get their reality enforcing powers.

[AresKeith]

It's the Lyrium, that is Titan's blood and the Templars ingest it to get their reality enforcing powers.

 

"We must drink the blood of the Titan's"   

[AstraDrakkar]

That said, the key to stopping Solas' crazy plan may be linked to the Titans in some way. Just doing some theory crafting in my head here.

[SicSemper T Rex]

That said, the key to stopping Solas' crazy plan may be linked to the Titans in some way. Just doing some theory crafting in my head here.

That makes a lot of sense to me, probably with Valta getting involved. Honestly what else could oppose Solas at this point?

[Mr.House]

Didn't Dorian also say there are still foci somewhere in Tevinter or did he just see pictures of The Magusters of Old with them?

[myahele]

Its possible that they tried to reverse-engineer elvhen foci, but clearly have not perfected it 

[Hellion Rex]

Didn't Dorian also say there are still foci somewhere in Tevinter or did he just see pictures of The Magusters of Old with them?

The latter. I believe he said he's seen depictions of them from the early empire. I imagine that the Imperium plundered a bunch from the old elven cities.

[In Exile]

Why do we assume Thedas is a proper spherical planet like our own? For all we know everyone is just riding the desicated corpse of a titan stiched toghether with a further bunch of living ones.

[TK514]

Returning to the Old Gods for a moment, and forgive me if this has already been speculated, but is is possible that the Evanuris invested part of their power in the souls of the Old Gods, and buried them in order to make this portion effectively unreachable by their foes?  Thus, no matter what happened to their physical selves, they would always have the lion's share of their power to rebuild from.  If they were as powerful as Solas implies, they may not have been limited by distance the way Corypheus seems to be with his Blight Dragon.

 

Or maybe Solas imprisoned the Old Gods as part of his gambit to seal the Evanuris away, putting the Dragons into the domain of the Titans and the Evanuris into the Fade, cutting them off from one another.  Either way, it would certainly explain Mythal wanting to save the Old Gods souls, and Solas being upset that said souls were being destroyed, if both felt like they needed the power of the Evanuris to advance their plans.

[Mr.House]

Flemeth has showed to be able to split a fragment of herself so she could survive(DA2) so it's not impossible per say.

[BillyBanana]

I'd like to bring Sandal to this discussion since he propably posesses the same kind of power that Valta gained after she was hit by pure lyrium, his is propably just much stronger.

I recalled that scene from DA:O in Fort Drakoon where Sandal had darkspawn blood all over his face but he never suffered from the taint.

Could that mean that the (re)connection the the Titans does make dwarves immune to the blight? I'd really like to know if the Sha-Brytol are immune to it too, would make sense since the darkspawn in the deep roads seems to avoid Titans.

That theory of "living" Titans granting immunity to the taint leads me to the wild thought that the blood of slain Titans (slain by Mythal and maybe other Evanuris) could become red lyrium and that might be the origin of the blight.

Here two codex entries that support this idea:

 

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The people must rise before their false gods destroy them all."  (DA:I, Trespasser)

 

"The Stone bears a corruption as old as balance." (The Gangue Shade, DA:O) 

 

An interesting theory I've read on another topic was that the Evanuris' purpose behind the Vallaslin tattoos was to bind the elves to the physical world so they can no longer enter the fade and thus make them slaves/easier to control. And since Vallaslin contains lyrium - lyrium they mined out of the Titans - It only makes sense that Templars also use Lyrium to bann magic/strengthen the veil. Just mentioned this cause it gives a good reason why the Evanuris are so interested in the Titans.

 

However I have no idea how the taint in the Black City, the Magisters and the Archdemons fit into my dead Titan theory. I cant imagine that the Black City is a dead Titan that was somehow locked away, almost unreachable in the fade.

[solomon.kosin]

I'm interested in what role seekers would play in all this. Cass said they are immune to lyrium and i think there should be smth interesting with them in DA4

[Wahed89]

It's the Lyrium, that is Titan's blood and the Templars ingest it to get their reality enforcing powers.

Yes I realise that. It's in this video.

 

At around 1:10.

 

I just thought it was interesting how he makes a point that they connect to something older, that it blocks magic and that it's like Varric. To me, it made me wonder if the Titans did that, blocked the magic of the Evanuris, and that's why they are at odds.

[azarhal]

 

I'm interested in what role seekers would play in all this. Cass said they are immune to lyrium and i think there should be smth interesting with them in DA4

 

Add their antagonist of the Order of Fiery Promise who just happen to want to tear down the Veil and burn up the world to that list. I get the feeling we haven't seen the last of them either.

 

Yes I realise that. It's in this video.

 

At around 1:10.

 

I just thought it was interesting how he makes a point that they connect to something older, that it blocks magic and that it's like Varric. To me, it made me wonder if the Titans did that, blocked the magic of the Evanuris, and that's why they are at odds.

 

I don't think the Titan purposefully blocked magic, being immutable is simply their nature to keep the physical world around.

[BansheeOwnage]

Why do we assume Thedas is a proper spherical planet like our own? For all we know everyone is just riding the desicated corpse of a titan stiched toghether with a further bunch of living ones.

Well, Thedas' planet has a sun and moon, so I'm going to assume it's a normal planet until proven otherwise. Besides, Titans aren't that big.

 

If they were as powerful as Solas implies, they may not have been limited by distance the way Corypheus seems to be with his Blight Dragon.

Actually according to Well!Morrigan, Corypheus' power (and by logical extension, Archdemons) is not limited by range whatsoever. Killing the dragon simply made his power go on cooldown, apparently.

[Heimdall]

Returning to the Old Gods for a moment, and forgive me if this has already been speculated, but is is possible that the Evanuris invested part of their power in the souls of the Old Gods, and buried them in order to make this portion effectively unreachable by their foes?  Thus, no matter what happened to their physical selves, they would always have the lion's share of their power to rebuild from.  If they were as powerful as Solas implies, they may not have been limited by distance the way Corypheus seems to be with his Blight Dragon.

 

Or maybe Solas imprisoned the Old Gods as part of his gambit to seal the Evanuris away, putting the Dragons into the domain of the Titans and the Evanuris into the Fade, cutting them off from one another.  Either way, it would certainly explain Mythal wanting to save the Old Gods souls, and Solas being upset that said souls were being destroyed, if both felt like they needed the power of the Evanuris to advance their plans.

I doubt it.  Solas' made it clear that he sees the Evanuris as an obstacle to be removed.  Mythal desires vengeance on them as those that betrayed her.  Neither of them have a reason to desire their preservation.

 

Personally I think the Old Gods have been imprisoned a lot longer than that, and they're not linked to the Evanuris.  Besides which, it would bother me if absolutely everything besides the Titans was traceable back to the elves.  Not that there isn't some connection.  Remember in Dalish legend Elgar'nan deposed the Sun and entombed it beneath the Earth.  What if this ancient war that elevated the Evanuris was between the elves and Dragons?  Dalish legend also says this caused things on the earth to die and Mythal persuaded Elgar'nan to free the Sun.  What if this was Mythal persuading the other Evanuris to free the Great Dragons and the lesser Dragons (But not the Old Gods)?  That might explain why her symbols link her so heavily to dragons out of all the Evanuris.

[TK514]

I doubt it.  Solas' made it clear that he sees the Evanuris as an obstacle to be removed.  Mythal desires vengeance on them as those that betrayed her.  Neither of them have a reason to desire their preservation.

 

Personally I think the Old Gods have been imprisoned a lot longer than that, and they're not linked to the Evanuris.  Besides which, it would bother me if absolutely everything besides the Titans was traceable back to the elves.  Not that there isn't some connection.  Remember in Dalish legend Elgar'nan deposed the Sun and entombed it beneath the Earth.  What if this ancient war that elevated the Evanuris was between the elves and Dragons?  Dalish legend also says this caused things on the earth to die and Mythal persuaded Elgar'nan to free the Sun.  What if this was Mythal persuading the other Evanuris to free the Great Dragons and the lesser Dragons (But not the Old Gods)?  That might explain why her symbols link her so heavily to dragons out of all the Evanuris.

 

 

It's not the Evanuris' preservation I was suggesting, but the preservation of their power.  If the Evanuris invested some of their power into the Old Gods, then it is possible that the reason Mythal and Solas want to preserve the Old Gods is to make use of that power themselves.

[DuskWanderer]

Why do we assume Thedas is a proper spherical planet like our own? For all we know everyone is just riding the desicated corpse of a titan stiched toghether with a further bunch of living ones.

The scientific answer would be that the planet must be spheroid because the world has both gravity and spins on an axis, both of which creates such shapes.

 

The miminalist answer would probably be: No one cares that much.

[Heimdall]

It's not the Evanuris' preservation I was suggesting, but the preservation of their power.  If the Evanuris invested some of their power into the Old Gods, then it is possible that the reason Mythal and Solas want to preserve the Old Gods is to make use of that power themselves.

It's not the Evanuris' preservation I was suggesting, but the preservation of their power.  If the Evanuris invested some of their power into the Old Gods, then it is possible that the reason Mythal and Solas want to preserve the Old Gods is to make use of that power themselves.

Mythal desires vengeance above all, I have a hard time imagining what she'd need it for that would be worth sparing them.

[TK514]

Mythal desires vengeance above all, I have a hard time imagining what she'd need it for that would be worth sparing them.

Well, if she wants to use their own power to destroy them?  She's a pale sliver of her former self, now, after all.  If she can make use of, for example, Elgar'nan's power to destroy him, why not?

[dennyjj88]

I doubt it. Solas' made it clear that he sees the Evanuris as an obstacle to be removed. Mythal desires vengeance on them as those that betrayed her. Neither of them have a reason to desire their preservation.

Personally I think the Old Gods have been imprisoned a lot longer than that, and they're not linked to the Evanuris. Besides which, it would bother me if absolutely everything besides the Titans was traceable back to the elves. Not that there isn't some connection. Remember in Dalish legend Elgar'nan deposed the Sun and entombed it beneath the Earth. What if this ancient war that elevated the Evanuris was between the elves and Dragons? Dalish legend also says this caused things on the earth to die and Mythal persuaded Elgar'nan to free the Sun. What if this was Mythal persuading the other Evanuris to free the Great Dragons and the lesser Dragons (But not the Old Gods)? That might explain why her symbols link her so heavily to dragons out of all the Evanuris.

[dennyjj88]

I agree, and it could be possible that during this war with the old gods or great dragons that they needed more elven slaves for massive armies to conquer the dragons. Needing lyrium to do this they could've waged war on the titans and possibly uncovering something even more powerful and evil while mining lyrium. This could have led to the eventual plague that was the blight. The question is what powerful entity did they awaken, possibly an ancient demon?

[chaztehman]

So....

If this whole new thing is that lyrium negates magic, as templars use it so... and other stuff

Why do mages use lyrium potions to get mana back? This seems very contradicting. 

 

I urge people to read what Kieran says... its all VERY interestings...

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Kieran

Its like hes giving us answers to our face, but we are just too confused to understand it completely.

 

Such as "If the Inquisitor is a dwarf, Kieran will either say that the Inquisitor "can't be taller, not without the titans..."
Can't be taller...not without the titans... Is this wiki quoting wrong or is this seem backwards aswell? Titans could make dwarfs taller? Is this a 'become apart of something larger' thing or implying they were created by the titans and its a shame the titans didn't make them taller rofl

 

Also, whats up with these tevinter lizardmen?

[bon]

i remember solas say  Evanuris is magnificent being created by another war. why i had feeling that dragon age lore and mass effect lore are connected and those fade are just a worm hole created by mass relay explosion  use by refugee escaping reaper to other galaxy like story line of next mass effect Andromeda game especialy  those green light in the fade  

[Flurdt Vash]

 

 

Completely missed that.

 

You seem to be absolutely right. The one eyed creature in the mural appears to be entirely composed of stone making it a Titan and not an Old God

 

To add to this theory, there is the codex entry which suggest that Mythal denied the dwarves the sun further proving how there was a conflict between elves and dwarves in ancient times.

 

Solas refers to Mythal as the first of his kind and says how a war is what caused evanuris' worship.

Notice the writing on the mural "Praise her name forever!" What if this was the war Solas refers to? Mythal defeats a Titan and is worshiped as a goddess.

 

Of course, now we must know what is the connection between the Blight, the Fade, the Titans and the Black City.

 

 

If the end of Tresspasser is any indication, the next game should have TON of insight into this  ..... when it happens