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So now that we have a little knowledge about what might be seeing in DA4, it seems like the perfect time for us to start speculating.  Especially if we start treating our speculation as fact so that we can be super disappointed and bitter when it doesn't come to pass.  After all, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, right?

 

So here's what I speculate based on what we've seen so far:

 

Setting:

  • Tevinter and Seheron - Tevinter seems a given how they zoomed in like crazy on that area of the map as the final shot for DA:I.  I'm also saying Seheron because we know that this is the front line of the war against the Qunari right now and the epilogue for DA: I suggests that the war is about to hit full force, so I'd be surprised if we weren't there

 

Major Plots:

  • The war against the Qunari - It's basically said outright in the epilogue of DA:I that the war is about to hit, so I'd be totally shocked if it wasn't front and center in the conflict in DA4.  I have a feeling that they won't give you much choice here; the Qunari will be the 'bad guys' regardless (just like in DA2 and Trespasser), but I suspect that we'll get to shape the outcome of the war in some ways (such as truce or repelling them outright).
  • The reform of the Imperium - They've done a ton to set up Dorian and Maevaris as these major reformers within the Magisterium.  They've even gone so far as to set up a new faction (the Lucerni) who Dorian and Mae lead with reform on the mind.  I'd love it if they allowed us to pick a side here and either work towards reforming the Imperium or maintaining the status quo.  I'm not sure if they'll be able to really have a decision of that magnitude work, though.
  • Solas' Plot - I have a sinking suspicion that, while this will be a continuing thread throughout DA4, it won't get resolved here.  I think it's going to be around unraveling some aspect of it, just to find out that it's even larger than we suspected and pushed back to another game.  But I do think that it will be a plot device to move things forward
  • (Baseless speculation) A slave rebellion - I have nothing really to go on outside of the fact that slavery has been a continuing theme across the series, but I think it would be great if there could be a Spartacus style slave rebellion that you can either support or squash.  It could be something that could also drive forward the reform of the Imperium plot line as well.

Major Characters:

  • PC - I suspect the PC will be a member of a group that is heavily tied to both the Inquisition (or what's left of it) and Dorian's reform efforts.  Perhaps a former slave, so that they could account for all of the race/class backgrounds without being too divergent.
  • Dorian - I think it's pretty obvious that he's going to be present in some capacity.  I suspect his new role will be too grand to allow him to be a companion (think of Vivienne had there not been a mage rebellion), but I think he'll play a major "advisor/quest giver" role
  • Maevaris - Like Dorian, I think she'll be present in some meaningful way.  She'll either be the role as Dorian (major NPC) or, if one of them is going to be, a companion.  Given how well-liked she is by the dev team, I wouldn't be surprised
  • Harding - I'm feeling pretty confident that she'll show up as a ranged rogue companion.  She's been set up perfectly for it:  her role in the Inquisition is to be the first on the scene in a new location and she's been listed as being groomed by Leliana to take over for her.  Plus, she was very popular in her first appearance.  I'm suspecting that she'll be both a companion and an ungated bisexual romance as well.
  • Sten (now the Arishok) - We know that Sten from DA:O is now the Arishok and if the next game is about a war with the Qunari, I just can't see how he won't be present as a major character (possibly the 'big bad' of that plotline).

Other things I hope to see:

  • I really, really want to have a companion from the Ambassadoria.  I'm a sucker for all things dwarf and this is such a unique aspect of dwarven culture, that I'd be disappointed if we didn't get some really great, in-depth detail on it
  • Similarly, I really want to have a companion who is a Fog Warrior.  They are on the front lines of the battle against the Qunari in Seheron, so I think it's a perfect fit for the plot.  Who are they?  What is their social structure like?  Plus, if we ended up with a Fog Dancer, specifically, it would be a natural way for him/her to be a info dump without feeling like it.
  • I want to know more about the Fex.  They are described as a "primitive" race, but that's all we know.  They've also been describe as having 'assmiliated' into Qunari culture.  I'd love to get some closure on this.  Are they a completely new (to us) race?

I think that's good for now.  Thoughts?  What are your premature bits of speculation (and hopeless wants)?


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The ending also showed many elves left human society to go under the banner of Fen'harel. I suspect Solas will probably try to create a slave rebellion to weaken the Empire. The next game is about shaping the Empire. Reformed or not? With slavery or not? Weaker or stronger in relation to the Qunari?

 

Maybe we are going to be a Magister or someone close to the Magisterium? I would love to be a Tevinter for a change. The south is done give me a different perspective.


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I'd like for our protagonist to be a Tevinter native. That would easily tie them into all 3 speculated stories: 

 

-The reforms of the Imperium (because obviously you're a native)

-The war with the Qunari

-The efforts of the Inquisition (they do want new allies and representatives in Tevinter, or so it is hinted)

 

I so would love the idea of being a Laetan of the Imperium, a Mage born from humble origins. I imagine either a Human or Elf could serve this role. But of course, it would probably be optional. They'll likely continue the choice of Warrior, Rogue, or Mage PC; so if our PC is a Warrior or a Rogue they'll be a Soporati.

 

Either way, a great and convenient asset to the Lucerni faction (Dorian's reformation group) and a possible agent to the Inquisition (whether disbanded or otherwise).

 

I don't really see a Dwarf PC being viable in this speculation of mine. And definitely not a Qunari, as they'll likely be a huge enemy faction in the game. Like Dorian said, Qunari can't just walk around the Imperium, even if they are honored guests or Tal-Vashoth.

 

As you said Dorian and Magister Maevaris would definitely make apperances, and likely be major characters. 

 

No idea on companion speculation yet, but in keeping with Dragon Age tradition thus far where we get returning companions in sequels, I'm gonna go with Harding like the rest of you. Although I would definitely love to see

 

-A Tevinter slave (human or elf; Mage or Rogue)

-A Tal-Vashoth (from Seheron, possibly a Fog-Warrior) or alternatively a former Sareebas

-A Tevinter Templar (remember, Tevinter Templars don't have magic-canceling abilities)

-Somebody from Southern Thedas (just to have tie-ins with the Southern Thedas story)

-Another Dwarf besides Harding, possibly from the Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok, otherwise a Surfacer from the South (Warrior, because Harding will likely be a Rogue)

 

If I get any more interesting ideas I'll definitely share them.


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Sounds very good to me, Solas slave rebellion included. And I also agree with your Dorian point, loved him and it would be a fitting position for him.
With harding, well she is cute and a lot people would like the fanservice, so why not ~

Ufff, and I cant wait to meet the new companions
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I did a little dance when they stabbed the map on Tevinter. I've been waiting three games to go there, it's going to be awesome. 

 

I'm hoping we'll get to play either as a Qunari or a Tevinter, see the conflict from either side depending on who we choose to play as. 


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A question that come to my mind is if they are going to let us choose our race once again. I'm not sure how much political power non-humans can hold inside the Imperium unless we work for Dorian and his faction. That would be a good idea too.



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Fenris is off in Tevinter killing slavers.

Please let him show up this time?
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A question that come to my mind is if they are going to let us choose our race once again. I'm not sure how much political power non-humans can hold inside the Imperium unless we work for Dorian and his faction. That would be a good idea too.

 

I'd prefer our PC's didn't actually have political power in their own names, but rather serve powers/factions that they choose to align with. So essentially being crucial agents, as our Inquisitors were before the destruction of Haven.



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Fenris is off in Tevinter killing slavers.

Please let him show up this time?

 

If he is alive I wonder if he is going to join Solas organization.



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I'd prefer our PC's didn't actually have political power in their own names, but rather serve powers/factions that they choose to align with. So essentially being crucial agents, as our Inquisitors were before the destruction of Haven.

 

I think if they are going to include multiple race selection then probably it would make sense for them to follow the path you proposed. I think working for Dorian is a good idea. Inside the Imperium the clash will be between traditionalist (slaver) and reformer (probably anti-slavery?). I can totally see Calpernia being there if she is alive.


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I think if they are going to include multiple race selection then probably it would make sense for them to follow the path you proposed. I think working for Dorian is a good idea. Inside the Imperium the clash will be between traditionalist (slaver) and reformer (probably anti-slavery?). I can totally see Calpernia being there if she is alive.

 

True, and if they decided to go "Human-only" and create a set-in character like Hawke, then your speculation would be more applicable. 

 

Perhaps you could even rival Dorian. Who knows, you could disagree with the Lucerni faction. Options are always nice, so long as we don't become the villains of the game. 



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A question that come to my mind is if they are going to let us choose our race once again. I'm not sure how much political power non-humans can hold inside the Imperium unless we work for Dorian and his faction. That would be a good idea too.

 

Yeah I'm unsure of this too.  They've gone out of their way to explain how elves are second-class citizens and qunari are virtually unheard of in Tevinter.  Humans (especially mages) are obviously easy to do.  Dwarves too, since they have such a strong relationship with the Lyrium trade.  But the others could be tricky.  Ultimately, it's why I could see them going with a former slave as the PC.  It's an easy way to streamline the character's past while still offering a variety of plausible options.  Frankly, I just can't see any other way to include a qunari PC in Tevinter.  I really, really can't stress enough how much I hope and pray that they don't go human only for this game.  It's a deal breaker for me.


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If he is alive I wonder if he is going to join Solas organization.


I'm not sure.
If the guy hates mages, why join an evuniaran?

Then again, the little wolf does hate slavers as much as the dread wolf...
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-Weis is near Tevinter border so I see that happening, even if not an Anderfels focus overall. It will be the connection to DA2 characters. Its weird how it seems to be glossed over in Trespasser's 2 Years Later, but on the other hand, we could play someone who builds up his story between Inquisition and Trespasser and THEN meets the Inquisitor, and the earlier period can deal with the Warden HQ. Hypothetically. If Bioware actually tackles this confusion.

-Kal-Sharok also possible.

-More of the Fade, explored potentially even deeper than DAI, not necessarily as 'Nightmarish' overall.

-Seheron very possible but will wait and see.

-Arlathan region very possible but will wait and see.

-Qunari and Dwarves will have bigger deal in main plot.  Humans will have big deal by default for Tevinter. Elves won't have as big of a deal as they eventually got in DAI, but will still be significant. If DA4 doesn't have racial selection I'll eat my hat. (Jokes on you, I don't have any hats! *throws away hats*) DA4 may end with Dwarf resurgence in importance as we had seen in its own way with Elves.

-Andrastan story will surprisingly continue not so much with the Humans as before, or Elves necessarily, but Dwarves will be added to the mix.

-I don't think the new protag will be tied to the Inquisition, but rather ally with the Inquisitor for something, for a time. Closer than how the Inquisitor allied with Hawke, but still similar. I don't think Bioware will outright require us to play DAI to understand the general deal of DA4.

-If Magic Is Returning, I can see a DA4 or DA5 where the rules of Tevinter get turned upside down. If so many elves (and dwarves? More? 0_0) get magic, this could change the whole social structure of the Imperium. I would not cross out the concept of being forced into being a mage of some sort - even if our abilities may still tend to the martial ('warrior') and technical ('rogue') instead of more purely arcane. Or rather, Dragon Age may even redefine what 'mage' means, if so many awaken to magic.

-Dwarf romance.

-Strong elaboration on Qunari while still not necessarily being of them (yet).

-I tend to think Solas will finish but Mythal-ish-stuff will take center stage in importance for a DA5+. And it will involve moving beyond even Elves when it comes to importance of history in plot.

 

 

I think we'll see a mix of the concept of Human Supremacy vs Non-Human Supremacy, and what that can lead to (domination? cooperation? other?). As opposed to DAI's strained-but-cooperative attempts against a more generalized (but still human, then elf) supremacy.

AKA more dynamic interactions instead of exploring around looking for stuff.


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I'm guessing inquisitor is our usually silent boss who operates through his/her connections, Dorian is this game's returning party member; the new organization is in Tevinter (but we may not be from there, allowing anyone to be any race or class)

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Yeah I'm unsure of this too.  They've gone out of their way to explain how elves are second-class citizens and qunari are virtually unheard of in Tevinter.  Humans (especially mages) are obviously easy to do.  Dwarves too, since they have such a strong relationship with the Lyrium trade.  But the others could be tricky.  Ultimately, it's why I could see them going with a former slave as the PC.  It's an easy way to streamline the character's past while still offering a variety of plausible options.  Frankly, I just can't see any other way to include a qunari PC in Tevinter.  I really, really can't stress enough how much I hope and pray that they don't go human only for this game.  It's a deal breaker for me.

 

I agree with you. I think the most viable options would be human, elf and dwarf. With the first one being nobility, the second one a slave and the third one maybe a merchant or something similar. However in order for multiple playable race to work well in Tevinter we should not be the person in power but someone who works or support a specific faction.

 

Considering the very humanocentric nature of Tevinter governement it's very difficult to make a big player out of non-humans in Tevinter politics. I hope like you we got to play as multiple races, I grew fond of my elven character.


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I just hope, and I can't believe I'm saying this, that they bring back blood magic this time. I thought it was a great idea to take it out of DAI because they couldn't do it justice, but if we are going to tevinter then I don't see how it wouldn't be an option. I would love to role play a more anti hero mage who argues that blood magic is just a tool to be used for good or ill, but has to deal with the risk of it corrupting him/her regardless. a stark contrast from my Templar inquisitor and my 'great power comes great responsibility' pro Mage Hawke (warden was a dwarf and didn't care).

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I'm not sure.
If the guy hates mages, why join an evuniaran?

Then again, the little wolf does hate slavers as much as the dread wolf...

 

Well I can see Solas being a sort of inspiration for elves to regain their pride and status. You would think a former slave would find the message of freedom and reborn for the elves very appealing



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May I just add how much I would adore the idea of playing a Human Mage in Tevinter. It would be so much different from the other games, where your magic is actually celebrated, encouraged, and respected as opposed to feared and shunned. 

 

So far we've played Mages who are Apostates, always living on the run and in constant fear. We've played Circle Mages, isolated and oppressed. We've played Grey Warden Mages, only allowed to walk free because of the immunity of their Order. We would now be able to play a truly free Mage, which really does get me excited.

 

It could also just be because I'm partial to Mages (across all RPGs), but the change in perspective is super appealing. 


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I just hope they restrict our relation with the South as much as possible as to properly have a truly Tevinterish experience.



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I despise the Tevinter Imperium....

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I do hope it will involve Solas some how. I can see his story going on for a few games, he might not know how to open up the fade at the moment - unless he did steal our anchor which I'm not sure about, if he has got the anchor then he is an immediate threat. 



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Well since the next game is more than likely going to be in Tevinter...

 

regarding plots:

  • I don't really think they'll be any major elven incidents in Tevinter since if Solas wants the Qunari kept back, he'd probably prefer to have the Imperium not being torn apart from the inside.... until he is ready. 
  • definitely war with the Qunari, perhaps a major victory on Seheron
  • Dorian and Maev's faction gaining momentum and at the same time enemies... while they may also be trying to help the Inq with finding out anything they can about Fen'harrel
  • would sort of like to see something regarding the darkspawn, mainly because you never hear about any Grey Wardens in Tevinter, and because of the Architect
  • Dorian mentioned that there were foci in the Imperium. Perhaps someone related to Solas may be interested in acquiring them?
  • possible repercussions with the whole choosing to side with the Imperium or Nevarra n regards to wiping out some Venatori? Tevinter isn't exactly on great terms with any of its neighbours its seems
  • something to do with the Aurelian Titus' Magrallen which was from the time of Dreamers. "magisters could enter dreams at will and control people's minds" (from DA: Until we Sleep) or his desire to create a cult of dreamers that could "reshae the minds and spirits of an entire nation, and then remake the world itself so that mages can rule the ungifted with impunity and be thanked for it" (also Until we Sleep)

regarding characters:

  • Lace Harding is like Leliana's and Inq's agent. hope she shows up n the next game and she doesn't seem to be aligned with either the Qunari or Fen'harrel. it would make sense for both Lel and Inq who have a vested interest in Tevinter for the future of Thedas to have someone that they can trust moving about the imperium with (pc).
  • Dorian - Dorian (and Maev) will probably play an integral part in the next story because of their goals with their faction and because of Dorian's friendship with the Inq. I'm thinking that Dorian will sorta be like an advisor who will also be there influencing people into following the Inquisitor's goal of trying to stop Solas
  • Iron Bull - (especially one who romanced Dorian), may play an interesting part in the next game because it provides characters access to contacts from the Chargers and because IB has more insight on how the qunari behave. also he may need to rescue dorian again
  • Yavana - (hoping to see) with the Imperium's beliefs regarding dragons and because of her involvement in one of the DA comics, I wouldn't be so surprised if Yavana has plans because she had a nest of dragons and wanted to awaken the Great Dragons as they were in a time which was always before when the Veil was created, though she does want to preserve something similarly to Morigan.

PC char~

  • for a pc char im hoping for a 'slave' background option as derogatory as that sounds. It just seems better for a hero to come from the worst of circumstances
  • elf option
  • option to choose whether or not you want to help Inq... or Solas? or help Inq with getting back to Solas?

 Stuff I really want to see:

  • something that explains why this is the 'Dragon Age' - as in why are all the dragons suddenly coming back
  • Solavellan.... since my hearts still in pieces
  • something about the Fade. its been said a few times that it shapes reality, but how does one gain immortality from going there?
  • Dorian/Iron Bull romance <3
  • more information on the Great Dragons since theyre apparently not high dragons and Aurelian Titus said that the original magisters only needed that to become gods


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Let's not forget, The Forgotten Ones.   As we conclude with Solas planning on the destruction of this world in order to restore the world of old, we get a choice to basically seek revenge or attempt to redeem him.  The Codex for Geldauran's Claim, found in Jaws of Hakkon.

 

"I am Geldauran, and I refuse those who would exert will upon me. Let Andruil's bow crack, let June's fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery"

 

 

Also the Executors, or those from across the sea who said,  "

You will hear no more from us. Our intention was to watch, and we have seen enough. Corypheus threatens us all, and the Inquisition is Thedas's only hope for stopping him. Remember that, for the moment, we are not your enemy. As a gesture of goodwill, we share our knowledge. May it prove valuable in your coming battle."  - - On behalf of powers across the sea, The Executors

 

I think if Cory was a threat, then to these others, Solas is a far greater danger. 

 

The Tevinter Imperium, and the North being fairly obvious for the next installment, perhaps a slave rebellion and other expected issues will just be the forefront immediate concern for deeper machinations in the background? 



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If he is alive I wonder if he is going to join Solas organization.

 

New book with Fenris is coming out.