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#26
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The ending also showed many elves left human society to go under the banner of Fen'harel. I suspect Solas will probably try to create a slave rebellion to weaken the Empire. The next game is about shaping the Empire. Reformed or not? With slavery or not? Weaker or stronger in relation to the Qunari?

 

Maybe we are going to be a Magister or someone close to the Magisterium? I would love to be a Tevinter for a change. The south is done give me a different perspective.

 

I definitely think a slave rebellion related to Solas could happen; it would be a neat way to connect Tevinter's internal politics and Solas' plot.



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I think you'll start as a member of the Lucerni, either a warrior, mage or rogue with Human, Elf, Dwarf or Vashoth as options.

 

My ideal companions would be:

  • Warriors:
    • Dwarf Male Ambassadoria (Weapon & Shield)
    • Human Female Fog Warrior (Two-Handed)
    • Human Female Tevinter Templar (Weapon & Shield)
  • Rogues
    • Lace Harding- Dwarf Female Inquisition Scout (Archer)
    • Human Male Tevinter Assassin (Dual Wielding)
    • Elf Male Dalish Hunter or Agent of Fen'Harel (Archer)
  • Mages
    • Dorian Pavus- Human Male Tevinter Magister (Support)
    • Human Female Loyalist Magister (Damage)
    • Elf Male Grey Warden Mage (Battlemage)

Then if they actually did something I'd love and have 12 companions, I'd go with:

  • Qunari Male Tal-Vashoth Warrior (Two-Handed)
  • Human Female Bard (Dual Wielding)
  • Human Female Circle Mage (Damage)

Plot threads they could cover include:

  • The Tevinter Reformation
  • The Qunari-Tevinter War
  • The Agents of Fen'Harel and the Inquisition
  • The Grey Wardens of Weisshaupt
  • A touch on Shaper Valta and the Titans

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RE OP, (had to delete the quotes to post this for some reason).

I agree with Tevinter, (obviously), but I feel like the Qunari will be on the major aggressive here so I think we will be largely limited to the Tevinter mainland. If we set sail, I think it will be to a major defensive stronghold somewhere in between Tevinter and Seheron.

I don't think the slave rebellion is at all baseless. Trespasser's epilogue, (or at least mine), had a lot of elves clearly following Solas and disappearing. The slave rebellion could easily be weaved into Solas' plans and/or the Qunari confilct given how appealing the Qun is to the elves and slaves of the Imperium. Either way, it's a very easy plot to have driving the reform arc. 

I also think we might be dealing with an Exalted March, or at least the possibility of one. Again, I don't know how things work in other people's games, but mine had Divine Vivienne both threatening an Exalted March against Par Vollen after Bull's betrayal and attack on the Inquisitor and herself, and then the epilogue suggesting she was considering using the alliance the Inquisition had with the Qunari against the Imperium. Either way, the threat of a southern invasion against either power could be used to help drive the story, whichever way it might go. 

Agreed on your thoughts on the companions. I would love Maevaris to be a companion for many reasons, most important of which would be I like playing as the badass fashionable/best aesthetically designed companion as I did with Vivienne in DAI and Morrigan in DAO, especially if our armour options suck. But, I have a feeling Maevaris is more likely to be in a similar role as you outlined for Dorian. I think Calpernia is much more likely to fulfill her role as the pro-Lucerni mage companion. 

For the anti-Lucerni side, I think maybe it would be more interesting to see it from the perspective of a non-mage or a mage who isn't an Altus Magister. Maybe a mage refugee from the southern Orlais who willingly put themselves in the service of a Magister in hopes of becoming a full citizen someday?

As for on the Qunari side of things, I think we're also likely to see Rasaan as she's the Ariqun's successor. Maybe the Ariqun dies over the course of the game and Rasaan takes over? I definitely feel she'll make the Qunari much more antagonistic and more of a threat.



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What I want to see:


-Any hint of what really happened on the Black City and what was of the five remaining priests (see the Architect again would be something good as well)

-Calpernia and Dorian on the Magisterium.

-The War among the Wardens.

-Yavana: preferably as a companion, I enjoyed Morrigan and I feel that she will be even better than her sister on many aspects, also, we need a smarty helping us, that role cannot be given to Solas since he is a lunatic that wants to destroy the world to recover something no longer exists.
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oh, forgot to mention Feynriel. Depending on keep choices, he's the only Dreamer to have survived in Ages and now lives in Tevinter. As an elf-blood with the power to affect reality because of his connection to the Fade, he might be the closest one alive in terms of power to Solas since elf is a dreamer...(well according to the wikia he is). Feynriel could have a huge part to play because of how potentially powerful he can be if Hawke helps him. 



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I support Velanna returning.

 

She can get a DA4 update to her look and character.

 

She can live and disappear no matter what, correct?

 

She is a big example of 'resentful Dalish', correct?

 

She doesn't have too many plot flags to wrangle, correct?

 

It works. DO IT.


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If it's in Tevintner no doubt Qunari will be involved somehow.

Whatever the plot is it won't directly be about Solas, but it will somehow connect.



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Other than a range of pc races I'm hoping that Tevinter means we can choose from morally grey specialisation like Blood Mage or Spellbinder.


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Oh gosh oh gosh, I hope Fenris comes back.

 

If your Hawke gave him back to his master maybe he escaped and went to hunting slavers, or if you kept him freed he'd do the same thing.

 

Maybe you can free him from his master if Hawke gave him back? I can see Varric calling in a favor to the Inquisitor, or an agent of the former Inquisitor, or to Dorian. Oh man.



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I think you'll start as a member of the Lucerni, either a warrior, mage or rogue with Human, Elf, Dwarf or Vashoth as options.

 

My ideal companions would be:

  • Warriors:
    • Dwarf Male Ambassadoria (Weapon & Shield)
    • Human Female Fog Warrior (Two-Handed)
    • Human Female Tevinter Templar (Weapon & Shield)
  • Rogues
    • Lace Harding- Dwarf Female Inquisition Scout (Archer)
    • Human Male Tevinter Assassin (Dual Wielding)
    • Elf Male Dalish Hunter or Agent of Fen'Harel (Archer)
  • Mages
    • Dorian Pavus- Human Male Tevinter Magister (Support)
    • Human Female Loyalist Magister (Damage)
    • Elf Male Grey Warden Mage (Battlemage)

Then if they actually did something I'd love and have 12 companions, I'd go with:

  • Qunari Male Tal-Vashoth Warrior (Two-Handed)
  • Human Female Bard (Dual Wielding)
  • Human Female Circle Mage (Damage)

Plot threads they could cover include:

  • The Tevinter Reformation
  • The Qunari-Tevinter War
  • The Agents of Fen'Harel and the Inquisition
  • The Grey Wardens of Weisshaupt
  • A touch on Shaper Valta and the Titans

 

 

Gross. I don't want Dorian back as a party member. I want another gay LI who doesn't have everything handed to him on a silver platter for doing nothing. He's becoming more and more like the writer's next pet after Leliana.



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Hmm well as I suspect the next games not been written and all we have seen is vague ideas that they may not follow at all, I am putting all this down as a total shot in the dark expecting to be so wrong it's not even funny.

 

Despite that Tevinter and perhaps some of the bordering nations as well, which would give other races and origins a point to come in at. You don't have to be from Tevinter after all. 

 

The Qun invasion would be the most likely plot point yes.

 

Solas what I think would be interesting is if, you end up working alongside his agents, Solas stated he 'isn't a monster' and he opposed the Qun because even as he works to bring Chaos to Thedas in the interim he doesn't want people to suffer. So imagine the player knowing Sola's overall plan but working along side his agents because the immediate problems of Tevinter and the Qun are too pressing. Placing them in that uncomfortable place where the enemy of my enemy is a threat for another day. Tearing down the Veil is not going to be an overnight thing, and I suspect Solas has only just begun, between now and his plans fruition.... Imagine having to work out do you give his agents something or not, knowing in the short term it can save lives but in the long term.... perhaps your helping an even bigger threat to the world to come into play?


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I'd fricking love Maevaris as a companion!


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Yeah I'm unsure of this too.  They've gone out of their way to explain how elves are second-class citizens and qunari are virtually unheard of in Tevinter.  Humans (especially mages) are obviously easy to do.  Dwarves too, since they have such a strong relationship with the Lyrium trade.  But the others could be tricky.  Ultimately, it's why I could see them going with a former slave as the PC.  It's an easy way to streamline the character's past while still offering a variety of plausible options.  Frankly, I just can't see any other way to include a qunari PC in Tevinter.  I really, really can't stress enough how much I hope and pray that they don't go human only for this game.  It's a deal breaker for me.

 

I agree with your points about the PC being a former slave and hoping that they won't pull another human-only as well. Although with a Qunari I can see another alternative. A Qunari PC could be a prisoner and - depending on what the player chooses - be a Ben-Hassrath agent, a recent Tal-Vashoth escaping Par Vollen/Seheron, or just a Vashoth wrongly imprisoned (hmm... sounds a bit Bethesda).

 

 

I think you'll start as a member of the Lucerni, either a warrior, mage or rogue with Human, Elf, Dwarf or Vashoth as options.

 

My ideal companions would be:

  • Warriors:
    • Dwarf Male Ambassadoria (Weapon & Shield)
    • Human Female Fog Warrior (Two-Handed)
    • Human Female Tevinter Templar (Weapon & Shield)
  • Rogues
    • Lace Harding- Dwarf Female Inquisition Scout (Archer)
    • Human Male Tevinter Assassin (Dual Wielding)
    • Elf Male Dalish Hunter or Agent of Fen'Harel (Archer)
  • Mages
    • Dorian Pavus- Human Male Tevinter Magister (Support)
    • Human Female Loyalist Magister (Damage)
    • Elf Male Grey Warden Mage (Battlemage)

 

That's a great companion line-up! Although I'd swap Dorian for Maevaris as a companion, with Dorian taking on a major support role akin to an advisor.  

 

I'd fricking love Maevaris as a companion!

 

Me too! Who do you guys think should voice her? For me personally, if Bioware can't get a transgender actor I'd like Crispin Freeman. 



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Me too! Who do you guys think should voice her? For me personally, if Bioware can't get a transgender actor I'd like Crispin Freeman. 

 

I thought Marc Thompson played Mao (a female cat) from Shadow Hearts pretty well. He sounded tough and a bit husky, but still feminine enough for the character.



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Oh gosh oh gosh, I hope Fenris comes back.

 

If your Hawke gave him back to his master maybe he escaped and went to hunting slavers, or if you kept him freed he'd do the same thing.

 

Maybe you can free him from his master if Hawke gave him back? I can see Varric calling in a favor to the Inquisitor, or an agent of the former Inquisitor, or to Dorian. Oh man.

 

But he can be killed can't he? I can't see the writers pulling a Leliana *again*.

 

EDIT:Oh sorry, I just automatically assumed you meant 'as a companion'.



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I cannot stop thinking about the story since I finished Trespassers with 3 inkis. I have some thoughts on how they will be going with the game but I do not have so good English to properly describe it. Some of them, I will try though.
For one side, at this point either they bring in some game changer bomb which will totally screw up existing theories, or i feel that we are sadly getting close to the End of DA saga. In DA 2 we did not learn much, in DAI we have the titans and the whole elvhen lore thrown at us, I mean it is nothing new, but never so far was so many things expained in one game.
I really hope that the Tevinter set up does not mean we leave the resolution of the Solas conflict for DA5 and we have an other DA2 personal type of story again, "only" focusing on the qunari- tevinter war a la DA2. If we do continue Solas story, I hope it wont be red, green and blue ending like red killing Solas, green convince him to stop destroying the world blue being you become a god:) well, thats the joke part.
As for companions, there are too many variables ( dead, viscount, divine..etc)so as returning character I only see Dorian- not as companion, and Harding as companion, and a whole new set of companions.
The new PC might be someone who is sent to Tevinter by the inqui him/herself at the beginning of the game, being from different part will give the authority in game to ask those basic questions about Tevinter you could not ask being born there. ( a la " who is Mythal" coming from an elf PC in DAI)

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I support Velanna returning.

 

She can get a DA4 update to her look and character.

 

She can live and disappear no matter what, correct?

 

She is a big example of 'resentful Dalish', correct?

 

She doesn't have too many plot flags to wrangle, correct?

 

It works. DO IT.

Yeah after that ending I thought the same thing.  Wouldn't be surprised to see Velanna and Fenris ally themselves with Solas.


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Fenris? Allying with an ancient super-mage? Really?



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The new PC might be someone who is sent to Tevinter by the inqui him/herself at the beginning of the game, being from different part will give the authority in game to ask those basic questions about Tevinter you could not ask being born there. ( a la " who is Mythal" coming from an elf PC in DAI)

 

THAT would be so cool! Maybe they could start the prologue with the new PC and Scout Harding travelling to Tevinter to meet Dorian with Divine Victoria narrating why they were chosen. 


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oh please universe I just want Fenris to stay alive and safe and rejoined up with Hawke-romanced-who-survived-the-Fade .. 


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I'm just gonna throw this out there. What if some other god awoke in light of what Solas is doing to rise stop him. We know Solas represents the elves but what about the humans are we saying they have no Gods? Just a example.



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I keep seeing people bring up Calpernia as a possible companion in DA4.  Couldn't she be dead?  I know that, if you pick the Mage route, her fate is never mentioned.  And I know that at least one outcome for the Templar route is to convince her to turn her back on Corypheus.  I just assumed that if you didn't convince her, you'd be forced to kill her.  If she could be dead, I doubt she'll show up as a companion.  I suspect she'll likely show up as an NPC in some questline if she survived, but her role would have to be either completely optional or generic enough to go to someone else if she's dead, right?



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I keep seeing people bring up Calpernia as a possible companion in DA4.  Couldn't she be dead?  I know that, if you pick the Mage route, her fate is never mentioned.  And I know that at least one outcome for the Templar route is to convince her to turn her back on Corypheus.  I just assumed that if you didn't convince her, you'd be forced to kill her.  If she could be dead, I doubt she'll show up as a companion.  I suspect she'll likely show up as an NPC in some questline if she survived, but her role would have to be either completely optional or generic enough to go to someone else if she's dead, right?

 

If you don't convince her, she jumps off a cliff. Into water, though, so I guess she could be alive?



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If you don't convince her, she jumps off a cliff. Into water, though, so I guess she could be alive?

 

Interesting.  I've only done the templar route once and I convinced her, so I just assumed you had to kill her (given that her combat model is used as the basis for the Tevinter Commander in DAMP).  Yeah, if there's no confirmed death, then maybe she will come back in DA4 as a companion. She was a very interesting NPC, so I'd kind of like to see more from her.



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I just re-played the ending...and I think we may have missed something.

 

Solas specifically says "The mark is going to kill you eventually." but he's giving us a little more time.

 

To me that implies Quizzy may be screwed no matter what. :/ There may be no quizzy in DA4 just because they kill us off screen. RIP.