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[Hudathan]

Like many I was looking forward to this DLC on release day because of the story progression. After playing through everything myself, I did what I usually do which is check out other people's experiences. To my surprise, many people are playing as if they support Solas and his plan to destroy the world. Now don't get me wrong, I always liked him and found him very interesting. But now that we know everything, am I missing something or is this a clear antagonistic move no matter how you look at it? Obviously the writers included certain dialogue in the game so the player is definitely allowed to take his side if they want to, but I don't understand how any Inquisitor would even entertain the thought of allowing his plan to happen. What am I missing???

[Bigdoser]

I don't support his plan to change the world I chose to prove to him that he does not need to change it and save him from himself. Not gonna give up on my bro solas

[Hudathan]

If romanced you can join him but he wont let you, but for my romanced Lavellan, she refuses to do such a horrible thing. She wants to help him find another way, even if they are rivals for the time being.

 

I'm pretty sure my own mother can't get me to go along with something like that, and I'm pretty cool with my mum. I'm glad the option is in the game but seeing people take it is something else. Unless I'm just looking at this the wrong way because I like to play as myself in games like these?

[Kulyok]

What am I missing???

 

Bioware's Imperial side stories at SWTOR, at a guess. Try the Agent, if you haven't already.

 

More seriously, "killing everyone is bad!" is an argument, yes. But people's been clamoring for murder knife and dark/difficult choices like preserving the Anvil of the Void or Virmire. So, yeah, adding such an option is a very good move from the writers (bows to the writers and brings tribute), in my opinion.

 

Obviously the romanced Inquisitor can't have a huge branching quest path of her own - too many resources, and that's probably not the plan, either. But it's good to have choices, and I'm absolutely positive I wasn't alone in the post-Well scene when all my Lavellan wanted to say was "Take me with you. Take me with you, Solas, I love you!" And, yes, having such an option here, too, helped a lot.

 

Some Lavellans just needed to say that. Badly.

 

(I'm perfectly fine with polite discussion, but I really did not understand the "idiots, how can you!" types of comments in that other new kill-Solas thread. I'm pretty old and boring by now, but I suspect each person has their own worldview and preferred types of play, and "Yes, I want to help Solas/Yes, I'd like for Luke to join Darth Vader and maybe try and redeem him from the inside/I want my Sith Inquisitor to rule to the Empire/I just want to be Evil, thanks" is a pretty valid reaction).

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've got one quizzy to love and redeem him, and one quizzy to vengefully wield the murder knife.  I'm all set!

 

 

Like many I was looking forward to this DLC on release day because of the story progression. After playing through everything myself, I did what I usually do which is check out other people's experiences. To my surprise, many people are playing as if they support Solas and his plan to destroy the world. Now don't get me wrong, I always liked him and found him very interesting. But now that we know everything, am I missing something or is this a clear antagonistic move no matter how you look at it? Obviously the writers included certain dialogue in the game so the player is definitely allowed to take his side if they want to, but I don't understand how any Inquisitor would even entertain the thought of allowing his plan to happen. What am I missing???

 

IMO he's being set up as an antagonist, but when has that ever stopped people from taking a character's side?  Particularly if the antagonist happens to be sympathetic. 

[Abyss108]

I could see certain characters doing it if it actually helped modern elves, but killed humans etc. But I can't understand why they would take an option Solas says will lead to your own death and the death of your people.

 

Still, more choices are good, so nothing wrong with having it there as an option!

[renfrees]

It's an old story: "my love can change his mind!" Well, guess what - it never does, the only one changing is you.

[Deanna]

I am kind of on the fence with this one. My first Trespasser PT was with my elf who romanced him and I automatically supported him and tried to go with him cuz well #elvenglory but at the same time I was angry and not cool with his plan AT ALL, you can't just kill off all the other races to raise up your people! My Lavellan supported him tho chose "I won't give up on you." and I disbanded the Inquisition. My Trevelyn was against him and chose "I will stop you." and kept the Inquisition together. Tho I have to say knowing Solas is the dread wolf and learning the "true" story that just makes him ssooo HHOOOTT to me, like omg um yes plz lol #drool

[d1ta]

There should be one option that shows a slider where the inquisitor with a golem/mechanical arm glowing with strange light standing faithfully behind Fenharel >=)

[Abelas Forever!]

I think elven inquisitor might think that destroying this world is worth it if Solas brings back elven glory days even if it means that Inky and all the others in this world will die. I think quite a lot depends on the Inky and how she/he thinks. Is this world so great that it needs to be saved? Is it better to destroy it all and let Solas build a new and better world? For his people of course because others would perish. Would that be something that should be pursued? Is it worth all the sacrifices?

[Eelectrica]

I've started a new play through as an elven rogue this time to romance Solas. I don't usually bother with romances, but this seems like it actually adds something to the story.

The Elven mage I finished I ended up saying I'd prove Solas wrong.

 

Next one is a qunari character who will have a different view of things...

[Ryzaki]

My issue with facepalming at the "let me join you!" isn't that it's an evil choice (because I love evil choices believe me) it's a stupid choice. The PC would be just as vulnerable to anyone else without their anchor to being randomly shoved into the veil. The one thing that would've protected her from death is gone now. And then assuming she does survive the first blast she then has to live the horde of demons that's gonna pour into the world. With one arm. lol just lol.  This is like siding with the Legion as a female Courier. It's just what. what are you doing?

 

I don't mind evil but it has to be an actual plan that makes sense. My PC sacrificing all her family and friends and most likely herself for some dead elves that aren't even what they claimed and based off revelations were no better than Tevinter is hardly a reason to kill mostly everyone in the world. There's a not even a damn benefit for her other than need to have some sense knocked into him Solas will be happy he got to kill everyone and get his elf buds back! And Solas doesn't even put out. Hell no.

[Deanna]

Omg ok I didn't know if my game glitched out or not, when I saw her hand was gone I thought haha it glitched but then I was like wait did he remove her arm because it was gone during the rest of the dlc...Omg ok quizy has one arm now...awkward lol

[Reznore57]

I tried the let me join you as a male elf .It was for SCIENCE!

Anyway you say you're willing to die for the elves , and you'd do anything.

And Solas tells you "no thanks "you'd have to watch all your friends die and it's too much of a burden.

 

I play an elf so I went the "Let's save Solas " route.I assume my Lavellan is terrified at the idea of a world without the Creators.He still wants to believe Solas can be helped and Mythal will come through and save the day.

 

Me , from a non rp point of view...I wish I could strangle Solas.

Seriously , he should do the world a favor and jump off a cliff or something.

He now has  a terrible God complex.God aren't kind when they are not satisfied with their creation.

I still support a "redemption" ending though , I want him to sacrifice himself for current Thedas , maybe saving the world from a Creator gone loose.

I want him to stare at the abyss and understand what he has become.Because he is now the very thing he hated.

[d1ta]

Nawh, I got the idea of 'join Solas' from neverwinter 2 where the protag could agree to join big bad's side and basically screw up everybody at the last minute, LoL.

Dude's Fenharel, and the reason why he doesn't let quizzy joins him it's because of the atrocities he's about to commit, not because he doesn't know how to protect Lavellan from the nasty side effects when the veil collapse (my reasoning anyway. C'mon, how hard is it to protect 1 flimsy soul compared to all the stunts he has made so far? )

It IS an absolutely STUPID thing to do agreeing to mass genocide (any normal person would find the idea abhorring) but maybe there are people out there who would still be tempted to click on that choice out of the LuLz or curiosity.
Or even better, let the quizzy who took the option to join solas gets to die in the end anyway alongside with those nutty modern elves that Fenharel manage to recruit under his service.
(Yes, stupid choice, but BW did allow you to 'get it on' with Morinth despite knowing what consequences it will bring in ME2 )

[RGC_Ines]

Well my Inquisitor is a Dalish Elf, who become Solas BBF. For the moment she wanted to support him, while she want the elven glory back...but the price is too big. Also all Solas plans are crap...I didn't tell him that I will kill him ( it would be stupid after I saw what he was done with Qanari), but if it will be necessery I will do that in DA4.

[TK514]

Solas must be stopped, no matter the cost.  *plays The Touch*

[Vit246]

Solas must be stopped, no matter the cost.  *plays The Touch*

 Kinda sounds like Solas.

[Kooshee]

A little late to the thread, but here we go. Just finished Trespasser yesterday.

 

I don't think it's "**** all y'all if you aren't elves" at ALL. It's about the Fade and magic.

 

I see a lot of Solas hate now, which I can understand. He did just say his wants will cause the destruction of our world. But the thing that keeps with me is Solas saying how he feels like he is walking in a world of Tranquil. That is a WEIGHTY statement considering how many of us play mages and view Tranquility as the horrific act as it is. Mages cut off from the Fade and who they, without emotions. No magic. An empty shell. 

 

Without the intrinsic ties to the Fade, Solas sees this in EVERYONE. With as much as he loves the Fade and magic and finds beauty it in, he is horrified how we are all "empty shells" including his own race of people. Think about a mage living only in a world with Tranquil. He walks in a world where no one, NO ONE save maybe Lavellan, can partake in the things he loves about it most. And it's HIS FAULT. That's some massive guilt stewing there in addition to a want to restore magic to each creature in its realm.

Especially when you come to the argument of "Is suffering worse than death?" Consider we don't really know what goes on in the afterlife in game (or in life, I guess), Solas views this magical castration as an abomination and a pity. It's suffering. He thinks that Thedas suffers for it. And it does....think about it:

• demonic possession
• mage/templar conflict
• the Chantry
• blights (maybe)

These are all terrible things that resulted from the Veil being torn and completely reshaped the world into the clusterfuck that it is. He wants a reset button, and he hopes he can get it. A consequence is the probable destruction of the world. Maybe it won't happen. 

 

Suffering worse than death? Yea....who can really say? Solas thinks it's worse.

My Lavellan would follow him in an instant: her clan is dead, her family is dead, her world is destroyed by war, but her love, though...her HEART is alive. She was a reluctant leader of the Inquisition. She hates the way Thedas treats her and her people and figures she no longer has a place in it, as so many of her people do not, either elves or mages. She wants to bring back a world with magic, a place for her people. "Elven Glory" and whatnot.

 

To me, helping him is the "evil" choice because of the pure destruction of numbers of people, not in the goal: the goal is to bring back the world intrinsically tied to magic. The consequence is a possible destruction of Thedas. Worth it? We don't or won't know (at least until the next game)

The warm fuzzy answer to this dilemma is, of course, "SAVE ALL TEH PEEPLES!"

[Dabrikishaw]

As it stands, all we know is that if Solas succeeds all life on Thedas will die and the Enavuris will be the only things left. 

[Carmen_Willow]

You don't stop loving someone just because they're about to do something monumentally wrong or evil. Will I do my best to stop him? Yes. Will it hurt like h*ll, oh yes. Will I try to change his mind or figure out another way? Absolutely, if Bioware gives me the chance.

 

But if it comes down to it, I will stop him. The mundane have as much right to their "tranquil" life as he has to his.

 

I will feel like sh*t when I do it, just as I did when I executed Anders, but I will do it.

 

(If Bioware does this right, it's going to be GREAT DRAMA!)

[Babelas]

On the surface the answers seems easy but if your Inquisitor has fallen for one of the Elvhen it's not so simple. I look at the position of the elves in modern Thedas and it is an awful life. I think about the glory days of the Elvhen and I can see the allure. But... I think about a Dalish or city elf mother tucking her children in bed at night and it's heartbreaking to think about killing them... yet what kind of life will they have? I hope that we are presented with some sort alternative that allows the Elvhen a piece of their world back but not at the cost of killing every one. 

[riverbanks]

But the thing that keeps with me is Solas saying how he feels like he is walking in a world of Tranquil. That is a WEIGHTY statement considering how many of us play mages and view Tranquility as the horrific act as it is. Mages cut off from the Fade and who they, without emotions. No magic. An empty shell.

 

Except the Tranquil are not empty shells. All the way back from DAO, every time we encounter a Tranquil, they always talk about how their lives are valid even  if they're not the same as yours, about how they want to live and would really rather not die, about wanting to do things to feel useful even if they can't use their magic anymore, etc. They constantly challenge the player's assumption that they're "empty" by reminding you again and again that they are alive and their lives are worth as much as anyone else.

 

Arguing that it's okay to kill all life on Thedas to bring back ye ole magicky magicks because Solas sees everyone as Tranquil for not having them is a bit like saying it was okay for the Venatori to murder hundreds of Tranquils to make their shard binoculars because, hey, they're just Tranquils, their lives aren't worth it if they don't have their magicky magicks anymore. It's hard to justify "kill everyone to bring back old magic back" without falling into a trap of saying that some lives are worth more than others, and it's worth commiting mass genocide to cleanse the dirty gene pool of non-godlike beings from this world.

 

She hates the way Thedas treats her and her people and figures she no longer has a place in it, as so many of her people do not, either elves or mages. She wants to bring back a world with magic, a place for her people. "Elven Glory" and whatnot.

 

This "I agree with him because I want an elven glory world where everyone has magic" line of thinking keeps popping up with Solasmancers... I wonder if there's a lot of selective hearing at play with the lines where he clearly states that he doesn't care about current time elves, considers current time mages weak and base, etc.

 

In any case, Solas does not really see you or any mage or any elves of this age as "his people," or even people at all (romance or not - he obviously respects and loves you if romanced, but you're still no better than the "world of Tranquil" he sees in everyone else). His agenda is not what you're taking it for - he's not the mage rights elven glory messiah you want, who'll give you a land of magic for all and freedom to the elven people. On the contrary, he tells you in no uncertain terms at the end that he doesn't care for any lives in the current world, and will eliminate you and every other elf and every other mage in order to bring his vision of what the world should be. Elves, mages, none of that means anything to him - he wants his old world back, not a better version of yours.