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[fizzypop]

I enjoyed the story, but I do think it was a bit short for a final. While I loved the fact my Quizzy could marry Cullen I wish more LIs got the same treatment. I wouldn't even have minded a little bit more dialogue with them as well. I wish we found out about Solas sooner. I kind of cringed at how long it took them to find out that Solas was the one who had betrayed them. Like it was plain as day people. Oh and the Solas romancers got so stiffed. I really wish there was more for them. I liked the heartfelt kiss goodbye, but he should have been more kind to her. So sad. :/

[Giantdeathrobot]

There was alot of hints towards Solas and his end game. Only way it comes out of nowhere is if you simply didn't pay attention and didn't watch the post ending screen.

 

Indeed. I thing the whole handling of Solas is a pretty brilliant piece of writing. Because honestly, we didn't learn much that was new from him. Fen'Harel? we knew. Elven gods are no gods? heavily hinted both by Solas and the Arbor Wilds mission. Mythal was wronged? heavily hinted by Flemeth. Solas created the Veil and wants to tear it down? heavily hinted by diverses sources such as Sandal, Cole and Solas himself. Solas being utterly ruthless? The Dread Wolf background alone is telling, and several quotes show his quiet nice guy shtick is mostly a facade. His devouring guilt at having done a terrible mistake? it's almost too much for even empathy personified to handle.

 

Solas mostly confirmed what we already knew, it all just make a lot of sense now (especially his explanation of how Corypheus got the Orb). It wasn't a last minute info-dump designed to sell an eventual sequel; the final sequence of Trespasser is where the pieces that have been assembled from the start of Inquisition, if not from DA2 onwards fall into place. 

 

Coming from Mass Effect, where it's kinda obvious the writers made up the main plot as they went along, and I'm fairly impressed at how planned out it all is. I have more respect for Patrick Weekes's writing ability with each passing release where he's involved to be honest. 

 

Anyway, while I respect the OP's opinion I must disagree, heavily. Trespasser was pretty fantastic, arguably Bioware's best add-on since Throne of Bhaal itself if you ask me. Had the whole game been of this quality, Inquisition could have been a classic instead of ''just'' a good game.

[TeffexPope]

I think Bioware made a mistake in showing Solas' true identity in the post-ending epilogue after Corypheus died. I'm not a huge fan of the 'player/reader knowing more than the characters' in this kind of situation. I remember the feelings I got in ME when I discovered the true identity of the Collectors. When the reaper on Rannoch talked to me. When I was scouting the bottom of an ocean on an uncharted planet, looking for the Leviathan. A lot of what Solas says is already known by anybody who pays attention to the lore. It was still good to get the reason why Solas is doing what he's doing, and the true reason the elves fell. And the true identity of the elven gods (though I'm a little confused as to whether Mythal is one of them too, or something more.) I have to admit, I was surprised that Solas sought the revival of the elves at any cost. I'm assuming that since my Inquisitor was on good terms with him, is the reason why he says what he 'has to do' is difficult.

 

Though Bioware did do a good job IMO of making me feel equally alarmed and helpless while talking to him. I want answers, but he's also saying that the world is going to be forever changed if he has his way. Should I try to strike him down? Seems pointless, I'll just be turned to stone. Is he going to try to kill me? However, I DID NOT like how they amputated the Inquisitor's arm; by that I mean, there is no exposition about it. You just show up back at the exalted council without an arm. I thought it was a bug!

[Asch Lavigne]

It wasn't what I was hoping for.

 

I felt like the two plots, the Council and Qunari didn't really mesh well. I felt like we should be doing more council stuff and instead we put it all on poor Josie and run off. And between missions it was just a quick scene about what was going on, I wanted more.

 

Over all, I did like it. It just wasn't what I was hoping for.

 

And I knew they weren't going to answer everything. Nor did I want them to. If I had all the answers I wouldn't need to play the next game.

[Uirebhiril]

Well... we, the player, knew or guessed a lot of the things that Solas verified at the end of Trespasser. Our characters could have had a good hunch about some of it, or made a few educated guesses, but the scenes were for the benefit of the character to learn the things that we already knew or had speculated to an inch of the truth. So while I'm not too big on infodumps and would have liked a bit of ambiguity, I do like that we got to learn how right a lot of us were about things.

[Nefla]

I totally loved it, to the point where I'm eager for my two week vacation in Florida to be over so I can go back to crappy, dreary Alaska and play it some more Perhaps if you were more specific on the points you didn't like, or what you would rather have had?

[atum]

I thought it was a mixed bag.

 

Cons:

- Overpriced

- Some of the music was kinda cheesy and forgettable

- A few bugs (this really surprised me)

- Enemies had waaayyy too much hp, and the combat wasn't interesting (what happened to Saarebas? They used to be deadly, now they are just damage sponges that jump into the air)

- fugly one-sleeve armor (was this a joke?)

- wtf happened to my arm?!

 

Pros:

- Awesome companion interaction (it is a BW game after all)

- Great story

- Some of the music was amazing

- Very cool looking environments

- Lots of dialog

- music and banter actually works

- Finally a good wrap up to a Bioware story.

 

Missed opportunities:

- No talk of how Solas creating the Veil affects Chantry beliefs

- Find the Harlequin could have been much more interesting
- There was potential for more of an investigation and intrigue rather than "just pop through the magic mirror and see what's up"

 

Overall I enjoyed it, but it was by no means phenomenal. 

[Sprankton]

Am i the only one disgusted with the fact that they didn't make a schematic for the qunari full plate armor? Really, 3 dlc's into the game and they couldn't show love to the qunari players in this last send off....SMH I swear its like Bioware wants players to get annoyed. Plus we've been asking to get some of the armors from the multiplayer and they refuse to even comment. Even though the Mass Effect team fucked up the ending we still had cool gear to replay the damn story plus they ported some of it from the multiplayer without problem.

 

Other than that i liked everything else in the dlc.

[TheRevanchist]

I am curious, did Drinking of Sorrows affect the conversation with Solas, or any part of this DLC at all?

[panamakira]

I enjoyed the story, but I do think it was a bit short for a final. While I loved the fact my Quizzy could marry Cullen I wish more LIs got the same treatment. I wouldn't even have minded a little bit more dialogue with them as well. I wish we found out about Solas sooner. I kind of cringed at how long it took them to find out that Solas was the one who had betrayed them. Like it was plain as day people. Oh and the Solas romancers got so stiffed. I really wish there was more for them. I liked the heartfelt kiss goodbye, but he should have been more kind to her. So sad. :/

Thank you for your kind words.

I'm off to play a proper ending for my Trevelyan! Lavellan unfortunately has more work ahead of her...

[megageeklizzy]

I romanced Solas, and after beating Inquisition, I became heavily interested in the lore.  A lot of my predictions were right, some were wrong, and some will have to be revealed in the next game.

 

Looking through dialogue from Inquisition, DAII, and origins, reading some of The Masked Empire, finding notes left behind in the game code, and trying to piece together the puzzle was fun for me.  It was an experience I've never had before, where the game's lore became my personal mystery to solve.

 

Three games, a series of books, some comics, and I believe even a short TV show lead up to Trespasser.  After all of the mystery developed by those things, Trespasser just comes out and tells you what's been going on.  It's too easy.  I mean, I walk up to him two years after he ran away without explanation, and before I even get a chance to yell at him or ask him why he did it, he gives a confession that we didn't ask him for.  Depending on the dialogue choices made, Solas makes one of two or three comments that imply he is the Dread Wolf, and the Inquisitor guesses with a lot less shock than I would expect that he is the Dread Wolf.

 

Quizzy: "Solas..."(walks forward)"Ow, my hand!"

Solas:(glowy eyes stop anchor from throbbing) "Sup?"

Quizzy: "How'd you do that?"

Solas: "Magic from the ball you touched.  Fen'Harel's ball.  My ball."

Quizzy: "Oh.  You're Fen'Harel.  Alright.  I had sex with the god my people tell stories about to scare kids.  Cool."

 

Everything that came after this was absolutely great, from Solas' rhythmic manner of speaking to the positioning of the characters.  I had a slight problem with the kiss/amputation combo, but I get what they were going for.  

 

I guess, after this long, convoluted post, that I just don't feel like I got the closure I wanted.  I'm glad I got to hear Solas' voice again, and I no longer feel the need to scour the lore for answers.  I just find myself feeling like Cassandra waiting for the next Swords and Shields; embarrassed by my need for the next episode after a cliffhanger and trying to keep looking like the cool and collected tomboy I usually appear to be. 

[panamakira]

I am curious, did Drinking of Sorrows affect the conversation with Solas, or any part of this DLC at all?

Yes, the ghost sentinels protecting the towers acknowledge your connection with Fen'Harel and do not attack you. They speak in Elvhen so I don't know exactly what they said but they didn't attack my Lavella who drank from the Well.

[Mr.House]

I enjoyed the story, but I do think it was a bit short for a final. While I loved the fact my Quizzy could marry Cullen I wish more LIs got the same treatment. I wouldn't even have minded a little bit more dialogue with them as well. I wish we found out about Solas sooner. I kind of cringed at how long it took them to find out that Solas was the one who had betrayed them. Like it was plain as day people. Oh and the Solas romancers got so stiffed. I really wish there was more for them. I liked the heartfelt kiss goodbye, but he should have been more kind to her. So sad. :/

I disagree. the romance stuff for Solas was perfect. I didn't romance Solas for a happy ending or romance, I romanced him because it was clear as day this would be tragic as hell. Solas was always going to be a tragic romance and I hope Patrick keeps it that way as not all romances should be happy.

[tcun44]

I had one bug that kind of sucked. Was battling the final boss- the big Qunari dude- got him down to 1 health- exactly one health- and then he was floating in the air- unable to be killed- putting out his rings of electricity- and he killed all of my team- so I had to do the final battle twice.

 

Otherwise- I liked the DLC. Put a nice bow tie on a lot of stories. Laid the ground work for future games. Solas is a good villain.

 

BTW- I have no idea who Maryden is. Cole has not been an option for me to select since before I fought Corypheus. Big 'X" through his card.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

The ending came out of nowhere? Really?! You did play Inquisition first right?

 

I'm not saying it was an obvious ending, but there is so much in the main game that is hinting at Solas and his plans, especially considering the post-credits scene. I didn't figure out his plans before hand or anything, but when he came out with it I wasn't shocked.

 

I thought Trespasser was awesome, BW deserve all the credit they get for this one. The little letter/note from the BW team just before the credits, that was such a nice touch.

I think you missunderstood. I meant that the ending in and of itself came from nowhere. Descent you knew you were getting towards the end. JoH you knew. DA:I you knew. DA:II and origins you knew. IT came from nowhere in the literal sense that it felt out of place. I knew what the ending was going to be like. IT simply felt out of place.

 

I wonder, what plotholes do you mean?

A couple of them weren't exactly plot holes and more write offs. How did the qunari know the password? "Qun magic!" How did Solas NOT know the password? "..."
How is an exalted council called without the empress of orlais while IN orlais? The whole gaspard bug pissed me off too.
Also if this was a sect of qunari why did bull join? does that mean that it ISN'T a sect of qunari? Why would the qun allow the use of elf magic?

 

I totally loved it, to the point where I'm eager for my two week vacation in Florida to be over so I can go back to crappy, dreary Alaska and play it some more Perhaps if you were more specific on the points you didn't like, or what you would rather have had?

I would rather of had more council stuff. I would have liked it to be longer, we didn't get a chance to play with most of the fun new accessories/gear all that much. It just felt like there wasn't enough actual meat to it. Just "go to council, magically find everyone there, go in magic mirror, solas"
I would have liked it to be meatier I suppose. Was like 1.5-2 hours? Way too little.

[tat2teel]

I'm sorry you were let down by Trespasser. I really enjoyed it and avoided the forums and subreddit until I completed it. I was a little surprised at the amount of people experiencing CTDs and bugs, as I only experienced a minor slowdown while talking to Varric. I also thought it was pretty cool that there was some stuff I didn't do, because I didn't realize it was there in the first place. I do wish a few more schematics made it into the progression of the DLC but the fact that many were added to the base game via 1.10 and the DLC more than makes up for it, in my opinion. Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing what others think on this topic. Cheers!

[Uirebhiril]

I would rather of had more council stuff. I would have liked it to be longer, we didn't get a chance to play with most of the fun new accessories/gear all that much. It just felt like there wasn't enough actual meat to it. Just "go to council, magically find everyone there, go in magic mirror, solas"

I would have liked it to be meatier I suppose. Was like 1.5-2 hours? Way too little.

 

I'd have liked to see more council stuff too, to be honest... but how the eff do you get through the game in only two hours? It took me close to 12, and I still missed some things as far as exploration is concerned. I know not everyone is big into that, or being thorough, but... two hours?? How fast did you rush through, really? They gave us a game full of stuff to look at and things to do and discover. Maybe it's just so much filler, but if it's interesting and thematic, which a lot of it was in Trespasser, then it's not really on them that you found there to not be much content in the game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, you aren't the only one. I also found the Trespasser DLC to be a massive disappointment. 

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I'd have liked to see more council stuff too, to be honest... but how the eff do you get through the game in only two hours? It took me close to 12, and I still missed some things as far as exploration is concerned. I know not everyone is big into that, or being thorough, but... two hours?? How fast did you rush through, really? They gave us a game full of stuff to look at and things to do and discover. Maybe it's just so much filler, but if it's interesting and thematic, which a lot of it was in Trespasser, then it's not really on them that you found there to not be much content in the game.

I mean sure I could get all the paintings and the harlequins apparently?
The schematics weren't that interesting. To be fair it probably took me more like 4-5. I got my wisdom teeth pulled that day so a lot of it was very blurry. I liked how the final choice was the only hard choice bioware's made yet for me however. AND I got my first game over because of the dragon fight. Apparently explosive arrow doesn't explode explosives.
It's funny I actually tried to go back and grab some chests but I couldn't. Also couldn't figure out how I was supposed to bring veilfire to the wolf in the platform place.

[Uirebhiril]

There were a lot of hidden places and eluvians to go through to loot or find notes and other lore-related info. I guess maybe you have to be more inclined towards the lore of the world and finding out information about everything we've experienced for three games, but it was there. And pretty awesome to find.

 

I let the dragon go, but that took awhile to do because of a glitch that made me reload a couple of times. Hope you're feeling better from the wisdom teeth, that's kind of impressive you even played at all with that.

[baconluigi]

Yep. Must be. Bye. Nerd.

wow he or she is allowed an opinion

[CircusDragon]

I really liked it, I kind've wish that all the story points throughout DA:I were in the same sort of format. Like maybe everyone is hanging out in the keep in the Western Approach, getting ready before assaulting Adamant, asking your companions how they feel about the upcoming mission, that sort of thing.

[Mr.House]

 

A couple of them weren't exactly plot holes and more write offs. How did the qunari know the password? "Qun magic!" How did Solas NOT know the password? "..."
How is an exalted council called without the empress of orlais while IN orlais? The whole gaspard bug pissed me off too.
Also if this was a sect of qunari why did bull join? does that mean that it ISN'T a sect of qunari? Why would the qun allow the use of elf magic?

Morrigan already explained that power and knowledge can be used to unlock them. Solas needed the password because he did not have the power and his agent failed to get it (which dates all the way back to Masked Empire), now he does. This qunari group WAS sanctioned as Bulls betrayal proves this and it's only disavowed when it fails. As for they this group is using elven magic, simple the person who is leading this group studies and collects magic and this type of magic is a tool, even then she makes it clear they are only using ones they need to use, destroying all useless ones. Arishok already said that the demands of the qun can change if needed(something like that anyways) and that's what happened here.

 

I seen no write offs as everything fits what was established.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Morrigan already explained that power and knowledge can be used to unlock them. Solas needed the password because he did not have the power and his agent failed to get it (which dates all the way back to Masked Empire), now he does. This qunari group WAS sanctioned as Bulls betrayal proves this and it's only disavowed when it fails. As for they this group is using elven magic, simple the person who is leading this group studies and collects magic and this type of magic is a tool, even then she makes it clear they are only using ones they need to use, destroying all useless ones. Arishok already said that the demands of the qun can change if needed(something like that anyways) and that's what happened here.

 

I seen no write offs as everything fits what was established.

I read what morrigan said as "power and knowledge can be used to get the password" not instead of the password.
And the qun just studied it apparently. Or guessed a lot of words.

[phaonica]

I had really, really, really low expectations after JoH and Descent, but was pleasantly surprised by how good Trespasser was. I played the DLC to see what Solas had to say and found myself surprisingly interested in the Qunari plot. I *loved* that we actually, finally got some really big questions answered, and I *loved* the setup for the conflict with Solas. Can't wait to play it again with another Inquisitor