56 réponses à ce sujet

[Korva]

The dalish are very proud and have a tendency to look down on outsiders - even elves. I can't see them all dropping everything they've learnt, admitting that they're completely wrong, in order to join some flat ear mage who claims to be Fen'Harel. I think some might, because not every clan is the same, and I think some are more sympathetic with the elves plight in general. But certainly not all will believe him.

 

He did in fact try this already, didn't he? Pre-Inquisition, that is. And it didn't go over so well, which is one reason why he's so p*ssy about the Dalish. Not that he deserved any better from them, mind, since whatever he said to them didn't negate the fact that they were and are non-people in his eyes.

[dogstar12]

One point is that the Dalish don't like shem and would do anything to get back they home land

But they also don't like Fen Harel, and if the truth of what they gods did came out it could destroy them

it would be like the Mage Templar war some mage and Templar fought some did not

[DragonAgeLegend]

The next game is most likely going to centre on an agent employed to the Inquisition from Tevinter. I think it's going to be massive, we will travel to Tevinter (finally!), the Dales, and probably Par Vollen. I cannot wait for DA4.

I think most elves will follow Solas, since many of them are treated so badly, helping the Dread Wolf close the veil and restore the world just for them would be a non option. The final boss will most likely be Solas in the next game too.

[Reznore57]

Maybe the lack of genocide will be sufficient enough for many of them.

 

I'm pretty sure Solas won't lie , he will just forget to talk about this detail.

[Arvaarad]

The Dalish clans have diverse beliefs. We can see in game that clan Lavellan's notions about Fen'Harel are subtly different than clan Sabrae's. There are also varying levels of interaction with non-Dalish - I expect there are some Dalish clans that have vallaslin and live outside the city, but who deal with shems about as much as city elves do.

Besides, there are radical splinter groups in any population. See also: the Hakkonites.

[LobselVith8]

One point is that the Dalish don't like shem and would do anything to get back they home land
But they also don't like Fen Harel, and if the truth of what they gods did came out it could destroy them
it would be like the Mage Templar war some mage and Templar fought some did not

Clan Lavellan risked their lives to save the humans of Wycome, and put themselves in danger yet again to protect the Andrastian elves who were in danger.

The Dalish are as varied as any other ethnic group in Thedas.

[Navasha]

Honestly, there is such a large time gap here that I don't believe most elves would be for Solas removing the veil.     That would be like some Italian guy rising up and saying they want to return to the era of the Roman Empire.   Most modern Italians would just think him a nut at best or a terrible rising tyrant at worst. 

 

So while Solas may certainly attract followers among those who see the glory of those days, most would just find his idea horrid. 

[DragonAgeLegend]

Honestly, there is such a large time gap here that I don't believe most elves would be for Solas removing the veil.     That would be like some Italian guy rising up and saying they want to return to the era of the Roman Empire.   Most modern Italians would just think him a nut at best or a terrible rising tyrant at worst. 
 
So while Solas may certainly attract followers among those who see the glory of those days, most would just find his idea horrid.

But the difference here is that what Solas is trying to do may benefit all the elves in the end. That's why I think most would be for it.

[Steelcan]

Honestly, there is such a large time gap here that I don't believe most elves would be for Solas removing the veil.     That would be like some Italian guy rising up and saying they want to return to the era of the Roman Empire.   Most modern Italians would just think him a nut at best or a terrible rising tyrant at worst. 

 

So while Solas may certainly attract followers among those who see the glory of those days, most would just find his idea horrid. 

 

you rang?

[LobselVith8]

But the difference here is that what Solas is trying to do may benefit all the elves in the end. That's why I think most would be for it.

Andrastian elves already benefit if Briala rules over Orlais, giving them rights and freedoms they have never known, while one of Clan Lavellan (likely the Keeper) can become the democratically elected leader of Wycome, which is presumably a safe haven for other clans since the Dalish rescued the humans from red lyrium poisoning and protected the Andrastian elves.

[Dabrikishaw]

Some Dalish would follow Solas, some would not.

[Drasanil]

 

Honestly, there is such a large time gap here that I don't believe most elves would be for Solas removing the veil.     That would be like some Italian guy rising up and saying they want to return to the era of the Roman Empire.   Most modern Italians would just think him a nut at best or a terrible rising tyrant at worst. 

 

So while Solas may certainly attract followers among those who see the glory of those days, most would just find his idea horrid. 

Spoiler

you rang?

 

Dang beat me to it. But yeah if that clown Mussolini could pull it off Solas probably has a half decent shot. 

[Thyred]

If the dalish are clever they will distance themselves from the dread wolf as far as they can. The moment his plans become known among the human realms, the qunari and the dwarves there will be a genocide. Chances are that qunari will outright kill all elves in reach, while the lynch mobs will roam through the human cities. If they openly side with him Lelianna will be forced to declare an Exalted March against them and this time Tievinter, the Qunari and the dwarves might join in, especially if it is true that the elves forced the dwarves underground and cursed them to lose their earth-sense when they wander under the sun.

[Wulfram]

The Dalish religion is based on restoring the ancient elven civilisation. If they accept the recent revelations, they almost have to either support Solas or abandon their faith. Or look to achieve Solas' goal without him, but they don't have a clue where to start.

Which probably means that most wouldn't accept his revelations, but some no doubt would.

Though I do wonder if Solas actually tells his recruits what he's planning. Seems easier to just say you're going to restore the elves and keep quiet about the kill everyone part.

[Korva]

If the dalish are clever they will distance themselves from the dread wolf as far as they can. The moment his plans become known among the human realms, the qunari and the dwarves there will be a genocide.

 

... there is that, yes. Terrible thought, but bitterly predictable, and it's odd that the epilogue mentions no such thing. This threatens an already marginalized people, as well as everything the Inquisitor (especially if Dalish), Briala and possibly others have tried to do for the elves in recent years. Cheers, Solas.

[JJDXB]

Just as a side note, it's not genocide.  It isn't even ethnic cleansing.  He wants to tear down the veil, which will have the unfortunate side-effect of killing everybody who isn't his kind of elf.  If he could tear down the veil without killing everybody, he would do that.  Genocide is a specific instance of mass murder and ethnic cleansing and would be intending first and foremost to kill all the non-elves, using the veil as his weapon.  This is not what he is planning.

 

Please do not start throwing those words out without knowing what they mean, it's very, very contentious.  At worst, it's mass murder and some could argue that it's only really manslaughter.  Still terrible, Solas still needs to be stopped, but  once again, not genocide.

[Thyred]

We mean genocide regarding the elves if the other people of Thedas learn what he is up to. They would slaughter all elves they can find.

 

Regarding his plans to tear down the veil and save his people.... His people don't exist any longer. Neither of the elven cultures that still exist are his people and if all the world has to be ripped apart to merge both the fade and the real world, then the elves will also die. Moreover, all of his plans so far have failed or had serious hickups. Chances are that if he tries to merge the worlds, he would destroy both as he wouldn't be able control it. He says that he would reform the world but that would also mean that he would have to create live and intelligence from nothing and I doubt that it is possible or he would only be able to create things and people that are images of himself.

[Steelcan]

Just as a side note, it's not genocide.  It isn't even ethnic cleansing.  He wants to tear down the veil, which will have the unfortunate side-effect of killing everybody who isn't his kind of elf.  If he could tear down the veil without killing everybody, he would do that.  Genocide is a specific instance of mass murder and ethnic cleansing and would be intending first and foremost to kill all the non-elves, using the veil as his weapon.  This is not what he is planning.

 

Please do not start throwing those words out without knowing what they mean, it's very, very contentious.  At worst, it's mass murder and some could argue that it's only really manslaughter.  Still terrible, Solas still needs to be stopped, but  once again, not genocide.

he knows that it will result in the murder of humans, dwarves, and quanri

 

Willfull destruction of an ethnic, cultural, or religious minority is genocide, no matter how icky he thinks it might be

[ComedicSociopathy]

Just as a side note, it's not genocide.  It isn't even ethnic cleansing.  He wants to tear down the veil, which will have the unfortunate side-effect of killing everybody who isn't his kind of elf.  If he could tear down the veil without killing everybody, he would do that.  Genocide is a specific instance of mass murder and ethnic cleansing and would be intending first and foremost to kill all the non-elves, using the veil as his weapon.  This is not what he is planning.

 

Please do not start throwing those words out without knowing what they mean, it's very, very contentious.  At worst, it's mass murder and some could argue that it's only really manslaughter.  Still terrible, Solas still needs to be stopped, but  once again, not genocide.

 

True. It's pretty shaky ground and the monstrous nature of his goal seems to warrant the G-word, but since the extermination of all other races is a by-product of his main goal of restoring the ancient elves I'd admit that genocide is probably not the correct term here. 

[dragondreamer]

It's occurred to me that Solas may end up with some supporters who are not elves at all.  The Order of Fiery Promise, an Andrastian cult that was involved only in brief passing during Cassandra's personal quest, is obsessed with bringing about the end of the world.  They believe ending the world is necessary to bring about a new paradise.  They're also mentioned in the Astrarium codex, because they were once invested in trying to destroy them, because it was believed that the Astrariums held the veil together, and destroying the veil would destroy the world.  ....Sounds all kinds of familiar.

 

(And I hope this means more Astrariums in DA4.   )

[LobselVith8]

The Dalish religion is based on restoring the ancient elven civilisation. If they accept the recent revelations, they almost have to either support Solas or abandon their faith. Or look to achieve Solas' goal without him, but they don't have a clue where to start.

Or simply adapt as they always have, given how they evolved from kingdom of the Dales to the myriad of clans we have in present day Thedas. I also don't think their culture of respecting magic and working together has to change simply because they can find out the truth about the past - given their own acceptance that they genuinely don't know the truth (i.e. the codex about Arlathan).

Which probably means that most wouldn't accept his revelations, but some no doubt would.

Though I do wonder if Solas actually tells his recruits what he's planning. Seems easier to just say you're going to restore the elves and keep quiet about the kill everyone part.

It seems he's keeping the people who do chose to follow him in the dark.

[Steelcan]

given how the elves have been portrayed thus far in DA:I I wouldn't be surprised if he told each and every elf who signed up what he was doing and they still go for it.

 

The elves have proven to be far from intelligent in Inquisition

[Hellion Rex]

given how the elves have been portrayed thus far in DA:I I wouldn't be surprised if he told each and every elf who signed up what he was doing and they still go for it.

 

The elves have proven to be far from intelligent in Inquisition

I agree, except for Ameridan. He was a pretty stand up guy.

[Steelcan]

I agree, except for Ameridan. He was a pretty stand up guy.

yeah and he wasn't a fan of the Dalish isolationists

[LobselVith8]

I agree, except for Ameridan. He was a pretty stand up guy.

That's simply not the case. We hear about Merrill taking care of disenfranchised elves. Clan Lavellan saves the humans of Wycome, and later refuses to abandon the Andrastian elves. There are also clans who join the Inquisition to help against the Breach.