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[Merengues 1945]

Inquisition has shaked the lore quite a lot, first revealing that the elven gods were naught but powerful mages, that Arlathan began to decay way before Tevinter, that Corypheus and his pals knew about the darkness residing in the golden city and now that the veil was created by the most nefarious figure in dalish lore.

 

So where does the Maker, and The Old Gods fit in this... The Evanuris seemed to have their place as magical overlords of the world, but the Maker has less and less place with every game, Solas was not around by the time of the rise of the maker's religion and he doesn't speak of him at all iirc. Maybe because he knows who is really the maker? Could it be that the Maker is yet another elven god? Or he was actually the Evanuris counterpart in humans? We know humans came form the north, could the world have been divided among elves and humans before the veil? Maybe they emmigrated in search of a new home after losing their maker and could also explain the animosity among humans and elves..... Or maybe Solas is the damned maker. And surely Andraste was some elven mage for what we know.

 

As for the Old Gods, Solas seems quite versed in them and their influence over Tevinter, could they be the Forbidden Ones? The gods of chaos that fought with the Evanuris? Solas seems like the guy who wouldn't aprove of them, so while he sealed the Evanuris beyond the veil, he could have sealed the Forbidden Ones on the underground

 

But there's also doubt for the Blight... As Grey Warden in Origins and with Legacy we kinda accepted that it was a punishment upon the magisters who defiled the heavens. But now we know that Corypheus and Co. were seeking it, unknowing that they would become slaves to the blight and destroy the world. Could the Blight be something the Evanuris created to retaliate? Could have them allied with the Old Gods to take revenge on Solas and the humans who had destroyed their empire's remains? It kinda raises questions about the darkspawn true origins as it would make little sense that some disease found beyond the veil awoke divine beings in the underground.

 

If anything what really itches my brain is the blight and it's true origin , who knows, maybe the root of Solas undoing is sealed in it. Which could be part of the reason he has some animosity against them.

[Andromelek]

The Maker still can exist (I don't think we are going to get confirmation if he truly exists or not) but the Evanuirs are not proof to asssume he is unreal because they are skilled users of magic, not its creators, now with the DLC we can assume that the Black City is not the Maker's house, it could be a city ripped out by the Veil, with the Evanuir or the Forgotten Ones sealed inside.

The Old Gods are real, we still don't know which was their role on Arlathan's time (if they had already born), they could have been a group of Great Dragons that lived close to Tevinter.

Given that there was Red Lyrium on the Primeval Thaig, elven statues on the Deep Roads and Andruil's armor seems to be an allusion to Red Lyrium, I would say the Blight is truly elven stuff.

[VorexRyder]

Inquisition has shaked the lore quite a lot, first revealing that the elven gods were naught but powerful mages, that Arlathan began to decay way before Tevinter, that Corypheus and his pals knew about the darkness residing in the golden city and now that the veil was created by the most nefarious figure in dalish lore.

 

So where does the Maker, and The Old Gods fit in this... The Evanuris seemed to have their place as magical overlords of the world, but the Maker has less and less place with every game, Solas was not around by the time of the rise of the maker's religion and he doesn't speak of him at all iirc. Maybe because he knows who is really the maker? Could it be that the Maker is yet another elven god? Or he was actually the Evanuris counterpart in humans? We know humans came form the north, could the world have been divided among elves and humans before the veil? Maybe they emmigrated in search of a new home after losing their maker and could also explain the animosity among humans and elves..... Or maybe Solas is the damned maker. And surely Andraste was some elven mage for what we know.

 

As for the Old Gods, Solas seems quite versed in them and their influence over Tevinter, could they be the Forbidden Ones? The gods of chaos that fought with the Evanuris? Solas seems like the guy who wouldn't aprove of them, so while he sealed the Evanuris beyond the veil, he could have sealed the Forbidden Ones on the underground

 

But there's also doubt for the Blight... As Grey Warden in Origins and with Legacy we kinda accepted that it was a punishment upon the magisters who defiled the heavens. But now we know that Corypheus and Co. were seeking it, unknowing that they would become slaves to the blight and destroy the world. Could the Blight be something the Evanuris created to retaliate? Could have them allied with the Old Gods to take revenge on Solas and the humans who had destroyed their empire's remains? It kinda raises questions about the darkspawn true origins as it would make little sense that some disease found beyond the veil awoke divine beings in the underground.

 

If anything what really itches my brain is the blight and it's true origin , who knows, maybe the root of Solas undoing is sealed in it. Which could be part of the reason he has some animosity against them.

The Blight and Red Lyrium seem to be Void-plagues, like the one Andruil brought with her when she came back from hunting Dragons in the Void before Mythal put a stop to it. The Old Gods have derivations of  Hebrew and Egyptian names just like some Elves: Tabris, Uriel/Urthemiel, Toth/Thoth, Razikale/Raziel, Matariel/Mahariel, etc... We also know that the Evanuris and their respective Chosen Ones could turn into Dragons. The Black/Golden City is heavily hinted to be Arlathan, could be that the Evanuris or Forgotten Ones were designing a biological weapon that went off when the City sank into the Fade, making Arlathan's final moments like the opening of the first Resident Evil movie.

 

If there's a Maker, it would have nothing in common with any version of the Chant of Light. It would just be a coincidence that there's a Maker and a monotheistic religion.

 

This is just another way in which Bioware's attempt to make everything "Grey" has weakened the narrative and made it less interesting.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Solas doesn't believe in the Maker, but from what little hints he and Fel'essan have given, they seem to consider the Maker to be an idea the humans came up with all on their own.

[Cute Nug]

IMO Dragon Age before Trespasser was a plot weakened mess with more and more unanswered questions after a decade of three main games. It's tempting to believe Trespasser shows a small step in the direction of delivering a story of interest through the medium of game mechanics.

 

You can still choose from dozens of theories regarding the Maker, Blight, and some of the remaining unanswered questions the game brings up. For better or worse Solas, Cory, the Avvar, etc. answered some questions on divinity in Thedas. Purposefully, an answer to the Maker will remain most likely up to the belief of the player.

 

I think the blight is related to the Evanuris killing of Mythal but I could still agree with a couple dozen theories as too what the blight is. 

 

Post Trespasser Thedas is again worth considering the merits of a continuation with a DA4 story-line with the many many theories on what direction that will take.

[caradoc2000]

All I know is that the remaining two archdemons had better hurry up, if they intend to get their Blights done before Solas destroys the world. There is nothing more annoying than to wake up only to find out that someone else has already destroyed the world.

[Qun00]

All I know is that the remaining two archdemons had better hurry up, if they intend to get their Blights done before Solas destroys the world. There is nothing more annoying than to wake up only to find out that someone else has already destroyed the world.

Actually, they need to hurry up because there are only two games left.

[fhs33721]

All I know is that the remaining two archdemons had better hurry up, if they intend to get their Blights done before Solas destroys the world. There is nothing more annoying than to wake up only to find out that someone else has already destroyed the world.

Nah, no need to hurry. Solas is pretty much assured to fail. His plans don't usually go over well. When he actively tries to destroy the world he might  actually make it nicer for everyone but ancient elves on accident

[Dabrikishaw]

The Maker's divinity will never be addressed.

[ApostleinTriumph]

If the false calling can be orchestrated from the Fade, as Nightmare did, what about the real calling? Can Blight and Darkspawn be in any way related to the Evanuris?

 

Red Lyrium and Blight are connected. Red Lyrium causes you to hear a song, just as similar to what Darkspawn and Wardens who receive their own calling hear. However, Nightmare managed to create a false calling that was powerful enough to induce the Wardens.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Evidence is thin either way, but I actually kind of doubt the blight is related to the Evanuris at all. The darkspawn taint seems to be something out of Solas' area of expertise. The power of blighted creatures like Corpypheus is specifically something that threw his plans out of whack. The appearance of the Red Lyrium dragon is also the only time in the game where he sounds like he is actually shocked. 

 

I believe that he also slept through the entirety of the Blights. Perhaps that's why he seems unwilling to concede the importance of the Grey Wardens.

[DarkNova50]

I don't really have any evidence to back up this theory, I just sort of think it's fun to think about.

I think that the Evanuris and the Tevinter Old Gods are the same things, and that when Solas created the Veil, it effectively put them "to sleep." Because their Elven followers were in no position to do much for them, they reached out to the Tevinter magisters and tried to reclaim a certain amount of their lost power through them...reclaiming the Golden City in their name might restore some of their lost power. And maybe the Blight is just a twisted, half-broken version of them recovering power through the Veil, in a similar fashion to how a spirit is corrupted trying to cross over.

It might explain why Solas is so pissy towards the Wardens (maybe he doesn't want the Evanuris dead, or more likely doesn't want their power to be lost forever), and why Flemeth/Mythal would try to recover their uncorrupted souls (and power) like we saw in Origins.

Without getting too deeply immersed in lore, that's how I saw it all fitting together, anyway. *shrug*

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That seems unlikely because Solas is specifically preparing for the return of the Evanuris in his plan to destroy the Veil. And he implies that he only banished them instead of killing them because killing them would be too hard.

[Ieldra]

As Grey Warden in Origins and with Legacy we kinda accepted that it was a punishment upon the magisters who defiled the heavens. But now we know that Corypheus and Co. were seeking it, unknowing that they would become slaves to the blight and destroy the world. Could the Blight be something the Evanuris created to retaliate? Could have them allied with the Old Gods to take revenge on Solas and the humans who had destroyed their empire's remains? It kinda raises questions about the darkspawn true origins as it would make little sense that some disease found beyond the veil awoke divine beings in the underground.
 
If anything what really itches my brain is the blight and it's true origin , who knows, maybe the root of Solas undoing is sealed in it. Which could be part of the reason he has some animosity against them.

Maybe you accepted that. I never did. It's just your typical "something bad happened to people we don't like so it was punishment by our God" religious non-explanation of things. It was very, very obviously a religious legend and not to be taken as a historical account. In fact, I was very surprised how much truth there turned out to be in the story of the Black City in the end.

Also, it's the point of Andrastianism that the Maker's influence is a matter of faith. We'll never see any events undeniably attributable to the Maker, and even less will see him appear in person.

As for the Blight, as you say its origin is a mystery. We have little we can work with to lift it. So far it seems plausible that the Black City is the remnant of a real city that existed before the creation of the Veil, but since the Dream aspect of the world was not separate before the Veil was created, it's also possible that it was never more than a manifestation of people's dreams of an ideal place.

Here's a little hypothesis that occurred to me just now: Solas said that the Evanuris were about to "destroy the world". The Blight fits that description somewhat. So....maybe the Evanuris are imprisoned in the Black City and the source of the darkness therein. Anyone else who enters the Black City can leave again, but can make a deal with its residents to take a part of them into themselves, in exchange for certain powers, and the Blight is the presence of the Black City's residents impressed on the world, carried by those who had visited the Black City. That would fit with the popular hypothesis that the Black City is the remnant of Arlathan. There's no real evidence for any of this, but perhaps it's worth thinking about, for no in-world reasons but because stories tend to make neat connections like this.

I can't fit the Old Gods in though. I do not think they and the Evanuris are the same, since they were originally unconnected to the Blight and only carried it after being corrupted by the Darkspawn.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We don't know that the Old Gods are unconnected to the Blights. The fact that the darkspawn are specifically driven to dig them out by the song of the Old Gods and that Archdemon blood is a much more potent source of the darkspawn taint than darkspawn themselves, suggests there may well be a link of some kind.