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[Deanna]

So has anyone played Trespasser where Iron Bull remained loyal to the Qun? If so...thoughts?

[Andromelek]

The dude betrayed me and said "Nothing personal, bas" "Bas"!? I was a Qunari, ******, I either let Dorian take the crap out of him as a good Magister or I teach him to not mess with a Saarebas.

[Boost32]

So has anyone played Trespasser where Iron Bull remained loyal to the Qun? If so...thoughts?

I really disliked how the choice to ally with the Qunari was meaningless in the main game. No one talked about how you saved Denerim from being destroyed or the Venatori spies inside the Inquisition. I was thinking to change my decision in the keep.
When the Trepasser DLC was annouced, I really hoped that Bull was going to betray me, so when he did I was not surprised. It was quickly, impersonal and cold, it made the treason awesome! And it really hurt because I liked Bull, now I will not change the decision on the Keep.

[Deanna]

Yea I kinda knew he'd turn on me too but I didn't actually think it would happen so yea it hurt and it was hard fighting him. But first time he betrayed me he was in my party and he just said "change of plans, nothing personal bas." the second time I left him behind but he still betrayed me, he came in with the other Qunari and his dialogue was a little different. I won't say what he said cuz spoilers but now I'm thinking Iron Bull was actually brainwashed or he was a sleeper agent or something idk, I mean he didn't even hesitate. After the fight Cole said something about the Iron Bull like he didn't know and he felt no pain inside and I took that as him saying Bull felt nothing when he was ordered to kill us....ugh just out of curiosity I have to romance Bull while he remains loyal to the Qun and see if he turns on his LI...lmao omg that would be so fucked up...lol...BULL WHY? Yea I really liked him so I took his betrayal pretty hard :/

[Boost32]

Yes, he turns on you even if romanced.

[SgtSteel91]

It kind of sucks that Tal-Vashock and non-Qunai mercenaries get more hatred because Hissrad betrays you.

[Deanna]

Ok so he HAS to be Tal Vashoth. I played 3 times and the 3rd time I was in a romance with him and he was Tal Vashoth and he didn't turn, I didn't know if that was because he was Tal Vashoth or if because I romanced him, or both...so now I know...wow lol omg...

[Jedimaster88]

I was afraid that he might do something. I kept hoping that all the Qunari we saw were part of some renegade group and that Bull would help me stop them. When he came with his battle axe and I had to fight him, I was sad. The ending epilogue for him was also sad.

 

Even though the the qunari alliance might have its benefits, I dont know if I want to save it in my future playthoughs. I want bull to be this cheerful guy who comes to his friends aid.

[Knight of Dane]

To be honest it was about as obvious as daylight in a church. He doesn't have a scene before the missions if the chargers are dead, as the only companion. Even without the thematic give away, that woulda done it on its own.

[Boost32]

I was afraid that he might do something. I kept hoping that all the Qunari we saw were part of some renegade group and that Bull would help me stop them. When he came with his battle axe and I had to fight him, I was sad. The ending epilogue for him was also sad.
 
Even though the the qunari alliance might have its benefits, I dont know if I want to save it in my future playthoughs. I want bull to be this cheerful guy who comes to his friends aid.

Ofc you should keep it!
Do you remember the feeling of sadness when he betrayed you? How many times have you felt it in a videogame?
Bull as the betrayer is a memorable character, if you felt nothing about the betrayal it would be meaningless and forgettable, but since you felt it, you should keep it as a reminder. It will be better in the long run.

[Sui Causa]

Qun!Iron Bull is indeed a remarkable character study, the angst and the feels and the trying to figure out just how he must have processed everything, especially if he was romancing the Inquisitor or Dorian when he betrayed them...jesus.

 

However, Iron Bull as Tal-Vashoth, in my opinion, is a bloody amazing character too. His loyalty and his awesomeness is something that also makes him memorable for me, the perfect example of fighting against all odds to find happiness, and achieving it.

 

Experiencing the betrayal and thinking about the depth of his character is incredible, but my heart cannot take anything except the sweet companion that is TalVashoth Iron Bull.

[Deanna]

I always secured the alliance with the Qunari it just seemed more practical. But Bull turning on you is not worth it at all, I'd prefer if he just left rather than attack me like that.

[Qunquistador]

Yup, I saw it coming from the the main game, though. I mean, the dude's a spy...a likeable spy, but still a spy. That's the reason I didn't want to recruit him in the first place. The thing is, my first/only play through I wanted to get everyone, so I played my quiz as someone who'd do anything that might be remotely beneficial to the cause, including forming an alliance with the Qunari.

 

 

I thought it was interesting how anticlimactic killing him was, though, didn't think it was possible for my Inquisitor to care even less than I did. 

[Big I]

I kept hoping that all the Qunari we saw were part of some renegade group

 

They might be. You can find a note in the study in the Darvaraad where Josephine writes to the Triumvirate to find out WTH is going on, and they write back saying they still value the alliance. The notes described as being crumpled up, presumably by the Viddathala. Since she was also doing stuff she wasn't supposed to (like giving her saarebases lyrium, making that one giant crazy saarebas probably with red lyrium) odds are good that she was acting without sanction. Which makes Bull listening to her more annoying.

[Ryzaki]

Qun!Bull just makes me sad. Also it makes me wish my Warden could've saved Sten He was going native too with cookies and training kittens and respecting mages but all that's probably gone now. *cries forever*

[Andromelek]

The Qunari are quite ungrateful, Hawke helps the Arishok, he invades Kirkwall, Salit saves Tallis, she tries to kill him, Bull saves Gatt, he sends assassins after Bull if he leaves, Bull betrays the Inquisitor, and they claim to be descendants of Dragons? Pretty sure that even beasts show more gratitude.

[Ryzaki]

The Qunari are quite ungrateful, Hawke helps the Arishok, he invades Kirkwall, Salit saves Tallis, she tries to kill him, Bull saves Gatt, he sends assassins after Bull if he leaves, Bull betrays the Inquisitor, and they claim to be descendants of Dragons? Pretty sure that even beasts show more gratitude.

 

Nah I was trying to free that damn dragon and it attacked me when no one in my party had laid a hand on it. Dragons are ungrateful bastards too.

[Andromelek]

Nah I was trying to free that damn dragon and it attacked me when no one in my party had laid a hand on it. Dragons are ungrateful bastards too.

She was kicking some Qunari arses and she crushes other two without attacking the party once she is free, not bad coming from a reptile.

[Ryzaki]

She was kicking some Qunari arses and she crushes other two without attacking the party once she is free, not bad coming from a reptile.

 

True but that's once she's freed. I was trying to free that ungrateful thing and she attacked me to the extent that it was easier just to kill her.

 

Shouldn't have messed with hail of arrows leaping shot spam you stupid dragon.

[Andromelek]

True but that's once she's freed. I was trying to free that ungrateful thing and she attacked me to the extent that it was easier just to kill her.
 
Shouldn't have messed with hail of arrows leaping shot spam you stupid dragon.

My point was that she is an animal fighting little cow men attacking her, while the Qunari are sapient beings and you can save them from more hopeless situations and still they betray.

[YueAzure]

On my first play through of Trespasser, The Iron Bull did not betray me. I was kinda surprised tbh

[Andromelek]

On my first play through of Trespasser, The Iron Bull did not betray me. I was kinda surprised tbh

Surely he was Tal Vashoth by then, if he remains on the Qun, even if romanced, he betrays you.

[Ryzaki]

My point was that she is an animal fighting little cow men attacking her, while the Qunari are sapient beings and you can save them from more hopeless situations and still they betray.

 

True.

 

But yeah my first pt Bull didn't betray me either but he was fully Tal and that's my favorite Bull so yay for me.

 

Qun!Bull while interesting to observe is a no for friendship or romance. The Qun kind of puts a damper on those things XD

[Deanna]

Just out of curiosity, is his dialogue any different to the inquisitor if you're in a romance with him when he betrays you? I made a new game to romance him as loyal to the Qun and I don't want to do that if its the exact same outcome (btw different dialogue counts as different outcome for me lol )

[StaceysChain]

I knew it was a no-brainer that Bull would betray you if you sacrificed the Chargers. What did surprise and worry me at the end is the fact that the Qunari still maintain the alliance with the Inquisiton/Divine Victoria and demand their help with fighting Tevinter. And the fact that Bull's betrayal leads to Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth are now treated even worse in Thedas.