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[vierrae]

I'm doing yet another canon run through DAI on Nightmare with trials on, but that's not my point.

Point is I'm in Crestwood area and we are being told numerous times how the Veil is thin there. Moreover, in the Old Crestwood we can actually see spirits going to and fro. Spirits, not demons. Meaning that with time in places where the Veil is thin they can enter our world in their true form. And I'm thinking, that since Solas has no means to tear down the Veil as he originally intended, maybe he's going to to do it with some kind of mass murder. So this talk about chaos and destriction might be the reason and not the effect of tearing down the Veil.

[TheEggCrusher]

I'm doing yet another canon run through DAI on Nightmare with trials on, but that's not my point.

Point is I'm in Crestwood area and we are being told numerous times how the Veil is thin there. Moreover, in the Old Crestwood we can actually see spirits going to and fro. Spirits, not demons. Meaning that with time in places where the Veil is thin they can enter our world in their true form. And I'm thinking, that since Solas has no means to tear down the Veil as he originally intended, maybe he's going to to do it with some kind of mass murder. So this talk about chaos and destriction might be the reason and not the effect of tearing down the Veil.

I really hope that he has enough ethics and morality to not do so, but if that was the only option, he'd probably do it. 

 

However, I don't think it would be murder. I mentioned earlier in the thread that since he values choices and free will so much, he'd gather a following who would gladly sacrifice themselves for the good of the empire.

 

Though he does atrocious things, he still follows his own set of twisted morals, which he sometimes shapes to fit what must be done.  

[Tielis]

Be really nice if this whole Sera=Andruil thing would just go and die in a fire already. What is with Sera people any ways, a bad case of Solas envy? You don't see the Blackwall crowd starting conspiracies about how he is true Queen of Antiva to explain why he has the hots for Josie.

 

Like I said, it's just because her model is so different from all the other sickly-looking elves in the game.  I could not accept the way my male Lavellan looked in relation to Solas, and now I find out he looks that way because of the lore.

[vierrae]

I really hope that he has enough ethics and morality to not do so, but if that was the only option, he'd probably do it. 

 

However, I don't think it would be murder. I mentioned earlier in the thread that since he values choices and free will so much, he'd gather a following who would gladly sacrifice themselves for the good of the empire.

 

Though he does atrocious things, he still follows his own set of twisted morals, which he sometimes shapes to fit what must be done.  

But to cause destruction on a world scale, evenly spread, so that the Veil is thin everywhere, it wouldn't be enough for the elves to sacrifice themselves.

[TheEggCrusher]

But to cause destruction on a world scale, evenly spread, so that the Veil is thin everywhere, it wouldn't be enough for the elves to sacrifice themselves.

well, if that's what must be done, he will probably go through with it (mass murder). I doubt he has much reserve towards achieving his goals, especially after hearing what he had to say in Trespasser.

 

Anyways, I'm exhausted. Play nice everyone  

[KumoriYami]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the Qunari are actually an experiment from the elves and dragon blood. Solas knowing fluent Qunlot and hating the Qunari is quite an interesting combination to find...

[azarhal]

Like I said, it's just because her model is so different from all the other sickly-looking elves in the game.  I could not accept the way my male Lavellan looked in relation to Solas, and now I find out he looks that way because of the lore.

 

Solas is in his original body. We have confirmation that Sera was adopted by a human noble as a child and was raised a human. Her body can't be because she is an ancient elf herself...unless immortal ancient elves are in the habit of abandoning their children in alienage.

[Tielis]

Solas is in his original body. We have confirmation that Sera was adopted by a human noble as a child and was raised a human. Her body can't be because she is an ancient elf herself...unless immortal ancient elves are in the habit of abandoning their children in alienage.

 

Then why does she have a non-sickly body?  Is she a half-elf who somehow retained elven features, kind of like Feynriel?

[Aulis Vaara]

Then why does she have a non-sickly body? Is she a half-elf who somehow retained elven features, kind of like Feynriel?

Yes. She is closer to the ancient elves than others. Hence Solas' interest in her and how she perceives the world.

[Uirebhiril]

Then why does she have a non-sickly body?  Is she a half-elf who somehow retained elven features, kind of like Feynriel?

 

Probably because she had better feeding and care growing up than most Dalish/city elves get, so her body was able to reach full potential in size. if you take a mustang off the plains, worm it, feed it, and give it supportive care it will actually bulk up and look better than its forebearers too.

[XMissWooX]

So, I'm a little confused as to what happened with the breach in Redcliffe, because when I played a while back I made note of this conversation:
Inquisitor: "The breach! It's..."
Dorian: "Everywhere"
Solas: "The veil is shattered. There is no boundary now between the world and the fade."
Does this not suggest that Corypheus actually accomplished what Solas had been working towards?

Also, why did Solas get captured and fatally wounded in Redcliffe? Was he unable to withstand Corypheus? Did he not have a backup plan in the event that the Inquisitor failed? Could he not escape his cell or protect himself from the red lyrium?

[midnight tea]

So, I'm a little confused as to what happened with the breach in Redcliffe, because when I played a while back I made note of this conversation:
Inquisitor: "The breach! It's..."
Dorian: "Everywhere"
Solas: "The veil is shattered. There is no boundary now between the world and the fade."
Does this not suggest that Corypheus actually accomplished what Solas had been working towards?

Also, why did Solas get captured and fatally wounded in Redcliffe? Was he unable to withstand Corypheus? Did he not have a backup plan in the event that the Inquisitor failed? Could he not escape his cell or protect himself from the red lyrium?

 

No, Corypheus didn't achieve what Solas wanted to do - otherwise why he'd even join the Inquisition to protect the world from the Breach and Cory?

 

Obviously there's more to "safe" (well... even if it requires possible destruction of the world) removal of the Veil than we yet know.

 

And the Veil in future Redcliffe was SHATTERED - it was destroyed, but it didn't fully go away. Its pieces still lie about, like broken glass, with its sharp pieces hurting the remaining existence and messing with the world (this is why there are rifts we have to close in Redcliffe castle. If the Veil is fully destroyed, there should be no rifts).

 

Second - whatever Corypheus did probably undid all of Solas plans and weakened him further (it happened long before ToM and he probably never met Mythal to borrow her power). He might've been wounded and captured, because eventually he gave up. Also - considering that the Veil is Solas' creation, it has to be connected to him in some way. It's implied in Trespasser that the creation of it drained him for millenia, hence he was "unconscious" for all those years and woke up "still weak" merely a year before events in Inquisition. 

Hence shattering it must've weakened him even more so - he does say to Quizzy in the Fade section (if they asked him where did he plan to go, when he's initially decided to flee) that he planned to go 'somewhere far away' where he could study the Breach 'before its effects reached him'. So the Breach, and therefore changes to the Veil, affect him rather strongly.

 

Third - no, Solas didn't have a backup plan, because his plans are already strained and stretched to battle and achieve the near-impossible. He does say that Corypheus surviving has thrown all plans into chaos and he saw Inquisition as the only way for the world to save itself and NOT end up like the future Redcliffe. This is why Solas took great risks and helped Inquisitor in the first place.

 

 

Like I said, it's just because her model is so different from all the other sickly-looking elves in the game.  I could not accept the way my male Lavellan looked in relation to Solas, and now I find out he looks that way because of the lore.

 

... Um, what do you man 'her model is different'? The male elf body model is different, true, but Sera appears to have the body model of female elf, same as other female elves, including Lavellan.

 

 

Probably because she had better feeding and care growing up than most Dalish/city elves get, so her body was able to reach full potential in size. if you take a mustang off the plains, worm it, feed it, and give it supportive care it will actually bulk up and look better than its forebearers too.

 

Yup. I can't really see the difference between Sera and other elf body model, but epigenetics (gene expression) FTW. I live in a country in that underwent pretty drastic economic changes in a relatively short time and the height difference alone between generations that lived in past political system and new one is pretty staggering (I'm myself am a head taller than both my parents).

[Absafraginlootly]

Solas is in his original body. We have confirmation that Sera was adopted by a human noble as a child and was raised a human. Her body can't be because she is an ancient elf herself...unless immortal ancient elves are in the habit of abandoning their children in alienage.

 

This isn't specific to the Andruil/Sera theory (which whilst I don't think likely, I do think fun) but I have a general theory that all energy reforms in the dragon age universe, not just spirits like Solas's friend who dies but whose energy will eventually reform into something similar, but also mortal creatures(something the avvar think is possible, they also think that dying sometimes is good for their gods/spirits), maybe less commonly now that the veil is created. I mostly think this because of what the Avvar and Solas have to say on the matter, and also because the line between mortal and spirit seems more foggy every game. From the Baroness, to Cole, to Justinia to the events of trespasser which left me with the strong impression that the first of the elvhen started as spirits and then became physical.

 

If true, then any ancient creature might die and eventually reform into something similar, but not quite the same. Sera could be a reformation as easily as anyone else.

 

/wild speculation

[solomon.kosin]

Then why does she have a non-sickly body? Is she a half-elf who somehow retained elven features, kind of like Feynriel?

Elves have adaptive genetics, thats why sera, whi was raised by humans is bigger than normal elf and thats why feynriel( or whats his name) looks elfy, cause he lived among elves

[KumoriYami]

just wanted to add.... I find it interesting that both Mythal and Fen'harrrel are gods who both make (someone) regret calling upon them for assistance despite fulfilling the boon requested

[In Exile]

I agree with your theories in part OP. I actually think everyone is a spirit - or rather the divine spark that brings what looks like life is a part of the Fade (cf. how to cure tranquil). But I don't think non-elves were created. I think they're spirits too. I just think they all got stuck in what amounted to golems - like the dwarves.

[Alyka]

And some of the murals..

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Go for it .

 

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I noticed that the design inside the wolf looks like a gauntlet... or an arm. Could it be a Titan that he talks about in party banter with Varric? "Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. "Whatever skill of arms it had, gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream."

Or is it an actual piece of armor or a weapon?

 

 

 

[Lumix19]

The only issue I have with Ghilan'nain creating the Kossith is that Corypheus seemed to know about it. He even calls them a mistake and I find it strange that he's so remarkably well informed of an Elvhen project that happened far before his time.

[TheBlackAdder13]

The only issue I have with Ghilan'nain creating the Kossith is that Corypheus seemed to know about it. He even calls them a mistake and I find it strange that he's so remarkably well informed of an Elvhen project that happened far before his time.

 

He's incredibly well-read.  

[FernRain]

just wanted to add.... I find it interesting that both Mythal and Fen'harrrel are gods who both make (someone) regret calling upon them for assistance despite fulfilling the boon requested

 

If you're an Elf and ask Mythal why she didn't answer the Elves when they called to her she says, "What was could not be changed". To which the inquisitor says, "What about now? You know so much," and she replies, "You know not what you ask, child".

 

I've been wondering what she means by that last line.

 

Like you said, perhaps the Elves would regret calling upon her.

[FernRain]

Also, this Ancient Writing might be worth noting:
 

 

It's the puzzle in the Darvaarad. You light veilfire in this order:

Andruil's hawk,

Ghilan'nain's halla,

Mythal's dragon,

Fen'harel's wolf.

 

Could just be for a puzzle, or it might explain their relationships more.

[The Night Haunter]

It's easy to miss as it happens very fast, but you can hear Solas speaking Qunlat to the Qunari lady. In the 3 years he's been awake has he really spent time learning Qunlat? Or is there another explanation? Qunari do have the ears of elves, maybe there are more similarities as well. Maybe Qunari used to be elves....

 

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[Absafraginlootly]

It's easy to miss as it happens very fast, but you can hear Solas speaking Qunlat to the Qunari lady. In the 3 years he's been awake has he really spent time learning Qunlat? Or is there another explanation? Qunari do have the ears of elves, maybe there are more similarities as well. Maybe Qunari used to be elves....

 

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Maybe Mythal learnt it and he gained the ability to speak it when he absorbed her power?

[megageeklizzy]

It's easy to miss as it happens very fast, but you can hear Solas speaking Qunlat to the Qunari lady. In the 3 years he's been awake has he really spent time learning Qunlat? Or is there another explanation? Qunari do have the ears of elves, maybe there are more similarities as well. Maybe Qunari used to be elves....

 

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Most of what he says in Qunlat can be found in the journals that have codex entries in Trespasser.

[The Night Haunter]

Maybe Mythal learnt it and he gained the ability to speak it when he absorbed her power?

 

 

Most of what he says in Qunlat can be found in the journals that have codex entries in Trespasser.

Shhh... I'm trying to make a sweeping assumption. Plus it would be cool if Elves and Qunari and the Veil being torn down was related.

 

After all, either the hundreds of years when humans were the sole people with access to elven ruins they were all so stupid they failed to notice the Eluvians and other Elvhen magics or the Qunari have some special ability/knowledge to unlock elven artifacts. They, without aid from anyone else, unlocked a bunch of Eluvians, knew the truth of Ferelden's first king, and who knows what other secrets they have access to.

It seems the Qunari have some relation to the ancient elves that other nations lack.