228 réponses à ce sujet

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I think that the hypothesis that Solas was a spirit once is true or that there is a great deal of truth to the hypothesis. [/spoiler]

 

Here's why I think that.

 

1) When we see Solas in the Crossroads, we saw him cast spells purely by thought without requiring any form of hand motions except for glowy eyes. We have only witnessed this type of spellcasting twice before. We saw it in DA2 Anders where he is merged with a spirit of Justice. We saw it in DAO when Wynne uses the Vessel of the Spirit ability which causes her entire body to glow blue.

 

2) Solas is a Rift Mage. If your Inquisitor chooses to become a Rift Mage, you can talk to Cole and he approves while saying this:- "Solas is the same, but quieter. The Fade is his friend. He doesn't need to look to know where it goes....Yes. It's different, but familiar. It reminds me of me." Now we know Solas is a dreamer mage but could there be more reasons why he loves the Fade and regards it as his friend ? Cole even says that being a Rift Mage makes the Inquisitor feel spirit-like. Solas is a Rift Mage.

 

I just thought of another conversation with him that makes more sense now. The balcony scene!

 

This is solely speculation based on the theory Solas was a spirit of Wisdom once.

 

He asks of his anchor changed you:

 

"Has it affected you? Changed you in any way? Your mind, your morals, your... spirit?"

 

He pauses at spirit and looks awkward and shy. Could he be asking of his own spiritual essence of Wisdom changed you? And if you reply you don't think so, he sounds disappointed and then says: 

 

"But you have shown a subtlety in your action. A wisdom that goes against everything I know of your people."

 

That makes me wonder if he was trying to see if the Inquisitor too was possibly a spirit reborn person.

 

This. Solas being a spirit once would also explain this Blackwall - Solas banter better.

 

 

It takes a Spirit to know that Spirit sex is not that simple. Notice how he did not answer Blackwall's question definitely. Perhaps when Andruil tied him down and wanted to have sex with him for a year, she was doing it to spirit Solas using her Vallaslin. Mythal then rescued him and Solas burned off Andruil's Vallaslin. 

 

Now Cole's line about "coming but not wanting to..." in Trespasser takes on a whole new meaning.

 

As for Solas at a young age, perhaps Spirits in ancient Elvhenan formed little towns ? Or the more likely explanation is that Solas was a spirit of Wisdom living among Elves in a small village. He was a very talented Spirit of Wisdom since like mortals, not all spirits are equal.

 

Andruil called him to her to...use him...In doing so changed him from Spirit of Wisdom to an ancient Elf of Pride...& Mythal then rescued him ?

 

 

Now this is obviously a Dalish fairy tale & the elf Hawke is a mod.

 

Having said that, I think it is too much of a coincidence that in the game where we don't have a Mabari hound as a companion, the Dread Wolf shows up and does his shenanigans.

 

I bet you anything that a Mabari hound, especially a really smart one, would have seen through Solas for what he is right off the bat. Perhaps that is the reason our Inquisitor did not get a Mabari hound.

 

So here's how we stop Solas in the future:- Mabari hounds painted with Kaddis that have caffeine in them.

 

What do you all think ?

[Rekkampum]

[snip]

 

Having said that, I think it is too much of a coincidence that in the game where we don't have a Mabari hound as a companion, the Dread Wolf shows up and does his shenanigans.

 

I bet you anything that a Mabari hound, especially a really smart one, would have seen through Solas for what he is right off the bat. Perhaps that is the reason our Inquisitor did not get a Mabari hound.

 

So here's how we stop Solas in the future:- Mabari hounds painted with Kaddis that have caffeine in them.

 

What do you all think ?

 

I like how your entire post went from an elaborate analysis of the lore into a totally foolproof plan for ending the dastardly antics of the Dread Wolf. Perhaps a Mabari can help you tame the feral nature of Solas by challenging his authority so that you can save the world.

 

Spoiler

Seriously though, a problem with that theory is that Solas had said - and as is becoming increasingly evident by the new info from Trespasser- the ancient elves had an unparalleled connection to magic that was "as natural as breathing". Before the Veil, elves were immortal and tied to magic so profusely that their empires collapsed once they were separated from the Fade. Perhaps it's that innate connection - as Solas existed when the Fade and the natural world were one - that Cole senses when alluding to spirits.

 

I just want to know how he frickin' did it. Because that's gotta take a s***load of power and it apparently was something the other Evanuris couldn't undo inexplicably.

[LatteRene]

So with someone mentioning Blackwall's questions about making love in the Fade and Solas evasive response, made me remember Bull asking if people just ever flew around in the Fade. I don't have the exact wording but Solas says something about it attracting unwanted attention. Bull assumed he meant demons, but I have a slightly crack interpretation....

Remember the codex in the library about the lovers in the air being told to get a room? I believe this is the unwanted attention Solas was talking about. I'm seeing him macking on his girl in the Fade like kids in a high school hallway and getting shot down by the hall monitor.

[azarhal]

After all, either the hundreds of years when humans were the sole people with access to elven ruins they were all so stupid they failed to notice the Eluvians and other Elvhen magics

 

Magisters used plenty of Elvhen magics (like the Foci) and made use of the Eluvians (Duncan said it was a Ancient Tevinter artifact). A lots of elven ruins are attributed to the Tevinter Imperium as well. Most of that knowledge was lost in the 200 years of the First Blight and the raise of the Imperial Chantry (the Transfiguration) that followed. We also know that Magisters keep their knowledge to themselves instead of sharing it like in the Circles, who knows what some of them knows now.

[myahele]

The only issue I have with Ghilan'nain creating the Kossith is that Corypheus seemed to know about it. He even calls them a mistake and I find it strange that he's so remarkably well informed of an Elvhen project that happened far before his time.

 

Excluding what he learned from his Time when Tevinter was at it's peak; Corypheus also has agents of Solas with him. These same agents lead him to where the Orb was all with him thinking that it was his knowledge/research that lead him there. It's not too farfetched to think that they gave him info on more Ancient Elvhen knowledge/history

[ZoliCs]

1) When we see Solas in the Crossroads, we saw him cast spells purely by thought without requiring any form of hand motions except for glowy eyes.

 

If you mean him turning the Viddasala to stone, that wasn't in the Crossroads.

[KumoriYami]

^{Random thought: iys interesting how some of the elvhwn pantheon are connected/have certain relations to animals... And can transform into them, or at least take their forms. Flemeth/Mythal can be a dragon, Solas a wolf... Does that mean that one of the gods could transform into a halla, and one a hawk(or was it eagle? On phone and can't check easily).}

[solomon.kosin]

^{Random thought: iys interesting how some of the elvhwn pantheon are connected/have certain relations to animals... And can transform into them, or at least take their forms. Flemeth/Mythal can be a dragon, Solas a wolf... Does that mean that one of the gods could transform into a halla, and one a hawk(or was it eagle? On phone and can't check easily).}

 

Ghillan'nain - halla

Andruil - hawk

[myahele]

I'm guessing yes. That the animals their associated with are just the shapeshifting forms they prefer.

 

We know from Morrigan that shapeshifting is possible so long as you study that animal's "soul"

[megageeklizzy]

I just  came across something interesting, and thought I'd tell you about it in case nobody has brought it up yet.  If it's been brought up, I apologize.  

 

Kieran: You're the Inquisitor.

 

 

(if the Inquisitor is human)

Kieran: I thought you'd be scarier.  Mother said you were scary.

-(dialogue choice: Why would I be scary?)

-Inquisitor: Why would your mother say such a thing?

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: Because people fear the next age if it comes too soon.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: I don't know.  You seem nice for someone who kills a lot.

-(dialogue choice: But I am scary.)

-Inquisitor: Some people seem to think I'm the most frightening thing in the world.

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: Mother says they would think the same about me, if they knew.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: Those people haven't met you, have they?

-(dialogue choice: Who is your mother?)

-Inquisitor: And just who is your mother?

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran:  Mother is the inheritor.  She awaits the next age.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: She's the Witch of the Wilds.

 

 

(if the Inquisitor is an elf)

Kieran: Mother never said the Inquisitor was an elf.

-(dialogue choice: Is that a bad thing?)

-Inquisitor: That's not such a terrible thing, is it?

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: No, I just don't know why your people want to look like that.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: No, I think elves are pretty.

-(dialogue choice: I am indeed an elf.)

-Inquisitor: The ears gave me away, didn't they?

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: No. Your blood is very old.  I saw it right away.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: They're very large. 

 

 

(if the Inquisitor is a Qunari)

Kieran: You're very tall. Mother didn't say you were a Qunari.

-(dialogue choice: Is that a bad thing?)

-Inquisitor: That's not such a terrible thing, is it?

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: No, I just feel bad about what happened to your people.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: I guess not.  You just have really scary horns.

-(dialogue choice: I am indeed Qunari.)

-Inquisitor: Oh? I'm told it's the first thing one notices about me.

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: I noticed your blood. It doesn't belong to your people.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: Mother notices strange things about everyone.

 

 

(if the Inquisitor is a dwarf)

Kieran: You're very short.  Mother didn't say you were a dwarf.

-(dialogue choice: I am indeed a dwarf.)

-Inquisitor: You caught me.  And I was trying so hard to be taller.

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: But you can't be taller, not without the titans.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: I know how you feel.

 

 

(if the Inquisitor is a mage)

Kieran: Mother never told me the Inquisitor was a mage.

-(dialogue choice: Is that a bad thing?)

-Inquisitor: That's not such a terrible thing, is it?

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: No. It would be worse if you couldn't touch magic at all.  Like being blind.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: No. Magic isn't so scary like everyone thinks.

-(dialogue choice: You can sense that?)

-Inquisitor: If you can sense magic, don't ever become a templar.

--(if Kieran has Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: I can't. The lyrium gives me terrible nightmares.

--(if Kieran doesn't have Urthemiel's soul)

--Kieran: I don't think mother would like that much.

[Absafraginlootly]

*snip*

It takes a Spirit to know that Spirit sex is not that simple. Notice how he did not answer Blackwall's question definitely. Perhaps when Andruil tied him down and wanted to have sex with him for a year, she was doing it to spirit Solas using her Vallaslin. Mythal then rescued him and Solas burned off Andruil's Vallaslin. 

 

Now Cole's line about "coming but not wanting to..." in Trespasser takes on a whole new meaning.

*Snip*

 

Where is this from? I've not heard of it,

[Aurubin]

Anyone else find it funny, after the series went to such lengths to either ignore. subvert, or make fun of the trope, that most of what lay the foundations for Thedas' history is based on "Elves vs Dwarves," vis a vis, Elves vs. Titans?

[FernRain]

Where is this from? I've not heard of it,

 

The story "Fen'harel and the tree".

[Absafraginlootly]

The story "Fen'harel and the tree".

Ah, thankyou.

 

I remembered the dual part but completely forgot the beginning. 

[The Night Haunter]

*big snip*

Qunari blood doesn't belong to them? (Dragons!)

 

Lyrium reacts poorly with the Old God Soul. Lyrium is Titan blood, so Titans don't go with whatever an Old God is.

 

Morrigan is the Inheritor of the next age? Many implications for that line.

 

Elves are old, not really new info, but they 'Why would you want to look like that?' is interesting. Suggesting the first elves were incorporeal or at least able to shift their form.

[Aurubin]

Does anyone have any idea how to reconcile the idea that the Blight is a function of the sundered Titan(s) with the Black City? The connection between the Titans, Old Gods, and Black City all have individual pieces that connect them, but in my head any attempt to create a unified theory leads to glaring contradictions.

[RedMagister]

This makes even more sense when you put it in the context of Solas' views on the Qunari (the religion and the race). He could see them as aberrations and the result gross experimentation and slavery. Could also explain why he's so rude to Adaar quissies.

 

Their need for perfection could also be explained in this way. Were the bred to desire perfection: the perfect mate, perfect life? Were they bred to be followers and obedient slaves under Ghilan'nain? 

 

I can see all of this being very possible. 

i dont think qunari go for perfection, but just extreme order. Perhaps because of their dragon blood, they seek to be tamed or controlled in order to be civilized- hence  the need for rules and command. containment of their beasty side. hah.

Perhaps when they first existed they were out of control. A dragon like being with moral consciousness. poetic almost. 

[FernRain]

Does anyone have any idea how to reconcile the idea that the Blight is a function of the sundered Titan(s) with the Black City? The connection between the Titans, Old Gods, and Black City all have individual pieces that connect them, but in my head any attempt to create a unified theory leads to glaring contradictions.

 

Well, Cole says in the fade (about the floating rocks):

 

"They still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell".

 

If you can figure out what "it" is, it could be a connection. I thought it was a titan.

[Aurubin]

Reading in other threads there's a theory that the binding of the Old Gods was the attempt by the ancient elves to seal away some horrible thing they found. As dragons are often linked with Mythal, this is a possibility. This could be an allusion to the Titan they killed, with The Void from Anduril's story being the space within a Titan you see in The Descent, except replace a font of creation with rot and corruption. Alternatively it could be some unnamed, Cthulluesque monstrosity. The problem with that is Mythal was all for grabbing Urthiemel's soul, and Solas doesn't seem to be sweating the fact that only Razikale and Lusacan remain; instead focusing on his "kill everbody, ancient elves 4 lyfe" scheme. Plus, the Old Gods suddenly have agency upon their release, and their first instinct is to destroy the surface, not free their brethren. It also begs the question as to the timeline of all this. What came first? The war between the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones? Or the sundering of the Titan(s)?

 

And this still doesn't really address the Black City. If we assume it is Arlathan, and that the Evanuris are sealed there, I guess a tainted Anduril might have blighted the whole city, and the Old Gods/unTitan/Lovecraftian Horror tricked the magisters into going there in order to sunder a different prison, that of the speculated Void monster.

[dennyjj88]

Reading in other threads there's a theory that the binding of the Old Gods was the attempt by the ancient elves to seal away some horrible thing they found. As dragons are often linked with Mythal, this is a possibility. This could be an allusion to the Titan they killed, with The Void from Anduril's story being the space within a Titan you see in The Descent, except replace a font of creation with rot and corruption. Alternatively it could be some unnamed, Cthulluesque monstrosity. The problem with that is Mythal was all for grabbing Urthiemel's soul, and Solas doesn't seem to be sweating the fact that only Razikale and Lusacan remain; instead focusing on his "kill everbody, ancient elves 4 lyfe" scheme. Plus, the Old Gods suddenly have agency upon their release, and their first instinct is to destroy the surface, not free their brethren. It also begs the question as to the timeline of all this. What came first? The war between the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones? Or the sundering of the Titan(s)?

And this still doesn't really address the Black City. If we assume it is Arlathan, and that the Evanuris are sealed there, I guess a tainted Anduril might have blighted the whole city, and the Old Gods/unTitan/Lovecraftian Horror tricked the magisters into going there in order to sunder a different prison, that of the speculated Void monster.

[dennyjj88]

I've also seen it mentioned that elgar'nan supposedly defeated the sun and casting it into the void, could the sun be misinterpreted as the "son" and the void being a prison as which to hold his son, much like God casting down lucifer?

[Aulis Vaara]

I've also seen it mentioned that elgar'nan supposedly defeated the sun and casting it into the void, could the sun be misinterpreted as the "son" and the void being a prison as which to hold his son, much like God casting down lucifer?

Unlikely, given that Mythal had already prevented one Evanuris from going back down there.

Remember that codex about Andruil fashioning a spear from sun- and starlight? It's probable they used that weapon in their fight against the Titans.

[TheEggCrusher]

I've been hearing around that some people are mad at Solas for locking away June, as if they don't think he did anything too bad as Solas seems to imply all the gods did (except Mythal). 

 

Idk where this came from and I didn't see any codexes on this but if somebody knows anything I'd really like to know. 

 

As far as I've seen, we know barely anything about him in the first place. Codexes specifically say he's mysterious. Whatever you guys have found I'd love to hear

[Almostfaceman]

I've been hearing around that some people are mad at Solas for locking away June, as if they don't think he did anything too bad as Solas seems to imply all the gods did (except Mythal). 

 

Idk where this came from and I didn't see any codexes on this but if somebody knows anything I'd really like to know. 

 

As far as I've seen, we know barely anything about him in the first place. Codexes specifically say he's mysterious. Whatever you guys have found I'd love to hear

 

Well one thing to consider is the murder of Mythal seems to have been the tipping point. So, June didn't do anything to prevent this murder and probably participated in said murder. June probably didn't have a problem with having worshipers and slaves either, since Solas is seen as the only force working to free them. So far as we know, anyway. 

[TheEggCrusher]

Well one thing to consider is the murder of Mythal seems to have been the tipping point. So, June didn't do anything to prevent this murder and probably participated in said murder. June probably didn't have a problem with having worshipers and slaves either, since Solas is seen as the only force working to free them. So far as we know, anyway. 

Good point. it could just simply be because he participated in Mythal's murder.

 

But I feel like we don't know nearly enough about him and that's kinda worrying. It's strange that he hasn't really been addressed in the lore. 

 

When a codex says a god is mysterious and hard to pin down, that could be a bad sign =3=

 

or he's actually Sandal. lol not. but what if though ..... 

 

SANDAL IS THE MAKER   lol I love that whole theory train-wreck