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[zeypher]

Time travel, i hate the entire concept and stories which use it as a stupid plot device. Hushed whispers was terrible quest due to this. So i just never bother to even consider it or do it.

[azarhal]

Does travelling back in time erase a time line? If so, how can you have gone there in the first place?

They never should have put in time travel, but even so it makes what the Inquisitor did vastly different from what Solas intends to do.

 

I personally consider In Hushed Whisper to be more illusion than actual time travel. The Fade is shaped by people's will and reflect memories and thoughts. I don't see how that would allow for physical time travel.

 

There is also narrative issues with the quest, like the two companions being left alive despite everyone else being killed and never succumbing to Red Lyrium (outside of Cassandra, Champion of the Just has a codex about how the Seekers are immune to it).

[LOLandStuff]

They're immune if they sit next to it, not if it's shoved down their throat.

[SwobyJ]

I personally consider In Hushed Whisper to be more illusion than actual time travel. The Fade is shaped by people's will and reflect memories and thoughts. I don't see how that would allow for physical time travel.

 

There is also narrative issues with the quest, like the two companions being left alive despite everyone else being killed and never succumbing to Red Lyrium (outside of Cassandra, Champion of the Just has a codex about how the Seekers are immune to it).

 

While I tend to theorize that ultimately, Thedas is just as magical as anything Fade (just from a different POV), it is also the most 'solid' realm.

 

So yes, this 'time travel', as per Solas' hint(?), may have been not much more than an illusion, a creation (wow! the implications) of a realm in the beyond that reflects all sorts of things to create a 'future' that isn't so 'real' as to actually be something that happened to Thedas. Real to the entities within it, but not from our Thedosian perspective.

 

That makes it more and less complicated. On one hand, its not actual time travel! On the other, it isn't like the Fade/beyond can't affect Thedas, so its still, like, a legit realm, and a vision into the high possibility of what will happen if you stay stuck there and don't 'return home'.

 

Since 'time magic' is so vauge in-universe, not even possible to current mages until the Breach, characters, and players, assume it is just like a more sci-fi 'time travel' without wondering further. But Solas does imply something else.

 

I think effective time travel could occur (that is, doing something in a Fade-created-realm that is like the 'past'/'future' and it changing what 'Thedas' is), but the composition of Thedas itself has to change. And Alexius may have indeed done something just 'like' time travel as well. But it may be better understood as 'magical portals of creation of illusion' rather than 'enter the time machine!'. Still of a more magical than technological nature.

 

Basically I also don't regard the In Hushed Whispers world to be 'real', but I also think that its effect would have been just about the same as the In Hushed Whispers world haha. Because its probably factual, enough, and the Inquisitor was locked away. Maybe it wasn't totally correct in its 'world predictions', but it was probably at least mostly correct.

 

But what's interesting is that if this theory is correct, combined with all sorts of other Fade weirdness (like meeting Solas in dream world, Cole going from spirit to human, etc etc), there appears to be a growing story of 'Thedas is a created realm'. Of course this was always the deal since DAO's lore, but now we're living that mythos. We're less on/in solid ground, in many ways, but instead 'falling into the abyss' or 'soaring into the sky'. These themes also abound in the game.

 

 

The Maker may have made the Fade and Thedas, but he didn't make the Veil, and the workings of the Fade need not only include its pure spirits (and demons). The Maker may have created a cosmic Order, but that doesn't stop Chaos and More from bubbling outward. The Crossroads is a realm of the Fade(?) too, while also.. not really the Fade. Not really.

Both 'Thedas' and 'the Fade' become weak terms, the more we understand, and the more we delve into theory. If the elves can make the Crossroads, and if 'time magic' instead builds something out of the Fade(?), things get 'complicated'. Including things like 'what is a person?', even. The Ancient elves? Us? The possible 'creations' of In Hushed Whispers? Are we fixing a mistake by going back to the past? Are we leaving a doomed illusory future to continue to exist? Etc etc...

[Cobra's_back]

They are different.

Cory and Solas are the same , they woke up and can't accept the fact that life went on without them.

 

The story of Trespasser is how the Inquisitor doesn't go on this route.

The Inquisition is disbanded or given to the public services.

You face a trial , you talk with people , you listen to them.And you bend to their will...

Then you put on your superhero cape again and go fight those who have a god complex and decide them alone have the right to choose the fate of the whole world.

That is how I saw it.

 

Cory and Solas are both relics of the past. Those days should stay gone and they are out of touch with the modern world. Both of them are egomaniacs that just can't seem to adjust. It is much easier for both of them to slaughter lesser beings then to adapt. 

 

The Inquisitor at least listens to others, and has the ability to adjust and make changes.

 

This makes me appreciate Mythal/Flemeth/Morrigan more because they at least try to understand the world around them. I would love to have Mythal/Morrigan on my side again.

[Wren]

I don't recall doing this Mission at all in my game's playthrough.  Are there any choices you make that prevent this Mission entirely?  In my game, Dorian just kindof shows up.

[Mr.House]

I personally consider In Hushed Whisper to be more illusion than actual time travel. The Fade is shaped by people's will and reflect memories and thoughts. I don't see how that would allow for physical time travel.

 

There is also narrative issues with the quest, like the two companions being left alive despite everyone else being killed and never succumbing to Red Lyrium (outside of Cassandra, Champion of the Just has a codex about how the Seekers are immune to it).

Seekers can be corrupted by red lyruim if it's shoved down their throats, but they can touch it with no issues.

[azarhal]

Seekers can be corrupted by red lyruim if it's shoved down their throats, but they can touch it with no issues.

 

I suggest you go play through Champion of the Just and open all the locked doors to read the letters and do Cassandra's personal quest. It is especially said that Corypheus wants all the Seekers dead because he can't corrupt them via Red Lyrium. In other word, they are immune to its effects.

[The Baconer]

I suggest you go play through Champion of the Just and open all the locked doors to read the letters and do Cassandra's personal quest. It is especially said that Corypheus wants all the Seekers dead because he can't corrupt them via Red Lyrium. In other word, they are immune to its effects.

 

"Poisoned" is a better term. It can still make them grievously ill when ingested.

[azarhal]

"Poisoned" is a better term. It can still make them grievously ill when ingested.

 

Funny you say that because every companions is super fine outside of the glowy FX in the In Hushed Whispers quest after one year of being feed red lyrium...

 

I do agree that eating rocks is probably not good for your health though.