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[Falconwatch]

Hey Bioware,

 

Been playing your games since the very first Baldur’s Gate, bought and played DAO and DA2 on release, finished and really enjoyed every moment of it, including all the DLCs as well. Always loved how the meaningful decisions made in previous games carry over to the sequel.

 

I’ve bought Dragon Age Inquisition a few months ago as well, yet I never started a play through on it. Only managed to complete my Dragon Age Keep tapestry recently after days of research, tacking down and recording from my old save files.

 

However there seem to be a conflict with some of the decisions for DA2 in the Keep. The Act 3 tile Bone Pit (Did Hawke kill the dragon in The Bone Pit?) is linked with the Act 2 tile Hubert’s caravan (Did Hawke discover who was raiding Hubert’s caravans?) for some reason.

 

So now it’s only possible to select the decision that Hawke killed the High Dragon in Act 3, if and only if Hawke discovered that Brekker was behind the looting in Act 2. These two decisions shouldn’t have any correlation with each other at all.

 

Since it’s completely possible for Hawke to kill the High Dragon without discovering the looter of those caravans in Act 2. Players doesn’t even need to initiate the quest with Hubert in fact, as they can just walk into the bone pit and slay that dragon:

http://dragonage.wik...i/Mine_Massacre

 

It’s what I did on my play through, didn’t even accept the Inside Job quest for the caravan in Act 2, let alone completing the quest. Yet I can still wander into the bone pit and slay that High Dragon in Act 3 in order to get my Warplate of the Champion armor chest piece. But I cannot set up the keep to reflect this.

 

Please fix this bug Bioware! Been hoping to play DAI since release, wasn’t able to back then due to needing to upgrade my computer. But now after all the trouble and wait, all the hassle of setting up my Keep decisions correctly according to my playthrough.

 

Just sad to see that I still cannot start this new exciting journey, since I cannot tailor the Keep to have it exactly reflect the world I’ve left behind. Please fix this bug so those two quests are not linked, like how it’s supposed to be. Really appreciate this!

 

Falconwatch

[Kantr]

Those quests don't affect anything in DA:I

[Falconwatch]

But this is still a bug, just because it doesn’t affect things currently in DAI, doesn’t mean it won’t potentially have effect in future Dragon Age games.

 

Plus this is still no reason for NOT fixing a critical issue within the Keep. Dragon Age Keep is supposed to be the place where people record the choices THEY made in their playthroughs. Where decisions they made in previous games will have lasting effect and consequences in the sequels.

 

Also it’s not possible to change your world state once you’re in the middle of the game. So I for one would only like to start a new experience when the choices I made previously can and have been recorded correctly.

 

Please have this bug fixed Bioware, unlink those two quests together since there’s not supposed to be any correlations between the two. Would really appreciate this so I’m able to finally start playing Dragon Age Inquisition knowing this IS the correct world which I’ve left my marks on for the past 5 years.

 

Thank you!

[Brian Mills]

Hi Falconwatch -

 

The plot you link to is for Act 3 of DA2; for your playthrough, did you happen to do the Act 2 plot "The Bone Pit"?  This occurs before the plot you mentioned you skipped ("Inside Job"), so it may have been completed.

 

I believe that quest shows the player that there is a dragon in the mine, and is a pre-requisite for the Act 3 events.  If so, then the Keep would seem correct, with the Act2 plot being completed before you do the Act 3 plot shown by the "did you kill the dragon?" tile.

 

Re: the general issue of not being able to use the Keep due to errors in the current build possibly affecting future games, this should still not be a major issue for DAI.  Since any future games using the Keep data would allow you to customize any world state before you import it, you could correct this error at that time if you wished, even if it was included in DAI.  I'd actually recommend everyone review their data for DA4 onwards, to ensure there are no errors and to allow them to select plot choices they made across multiple playthroughs / which they never actually did themselves while playing DAI.

[Falconwatch]

Hey Brian, thank you so much for your detailed reply, really appreciate this! Do you mean the Act 1 quest "The Bone Pit"? If so then yes, I've completed this quest and killed the dragon in the mine.

 

To make it easier, I'll just list out my three decisions for the game here, how they're supposed to show up on DA Keep:

Act 1 - The Bone Pit (Completed the quest): Hawke travelled to The Bone Pit to help the unfortunate crew. (Solved mystery of missing miners)

Act 2 - Inside Job (Never accepted the quest): Hawke did not find out who was looting the caravans. (Didn't discover looter of Hubert's caravans)

Act 3 - Mine Massacre (Completed the quest): Hawke killed the dragon at the bone pit. (Killed dragon at bone pit)

 

However what DA Keep showed up is wrong, it shows that in order for me to kill the high dragon in Act 3, it requires me to discover looter of Hubert's caravans in Act 2, finish and complete the quest Inside Job. This is completely wrong, since these two decisions shouldn't have ANY correlations with each other. Players can choose to kill the high dragon in Act 3 even if they did not accept the Mine Massacre quest, as shown here:

 

http://dragonage.wik...i/Mine_Massacre

 

Otherwise how else will players obtain the full Mantle of the Champion armor set? 

 

http://dragonage.wik...mpion_(warrior)

 

Doesn't make sense that players aren't able to obtain this important front cover armor set in their playthrough, if they forgot to do a minor secondary quest in Act 2 that isn't even important.

 

Hope this issue can be fixed soon, remove the correlations between these two quests so this bug can be fixed. Thanks!

[springacres]

This is odd.  It's never been an issue for me (I always accept Hubert's quests... greasy bastard doesn't need any more money than he's already got, plus my Hawkes want to look out for the mine's workers) but I wonder if the state you described in the Keep is linked to how the developers intended to set up the Bone Pit quest series, rather than how it actually plays out in game.

[Falconwatch]

Of course not! Just think about it...

 

How would it make sense that players are NOT able to encounter or kill the High Dragon AT ALL, the SIGNATURE boss of the Dragon Age series, if they simply forgot to complete a minor side quest in Act 2? This game is called DRAGON Age after all. Wouldn't you think they'll at least gonna give you the OPTION to kill the High Dragon regardless of whether you finished some unimportant secondary quest in a previous act or not?

 

This would also mean players are not able to obtain the chestpiece for their Champion armor set for Hawke:

http://dragonage.wik...Champion_(mage)

 

The armor set which is featured in every single promotional trailer and videos, along with the FRONT COVER of the Dragon Age 2 game. How the hell does it make sense that players are not able to obtain this most important and hardest to get armor piece in game, if they simply forgot to do some random Act 2 minor quest? What kind of fail game design would this be if it's true...

 

Also as I've stated previously, you DON'T even need to do the Bone Pit quest series in order to kill the High Dragon. So you can pretty much ignore those three quests from Hubert, and still able to wander into the Bone Pit (location), kill the High Dragon and get your rewards. This is stated clearly by the wiki, as well as being pure common sense.

 

So come on Bioware, FIX this bug already! How hard would it be to just UNLINK two quests together in DA Keep?

[springacres]

Good point.  I hadn't thought of it that way at all, but you're right.

[Kantr]

 

Of course not! Just think about it...

 

How would it make sense that players are NOT able to encounter or kill the High Dragon AT ALL, the SIGNATURE boss of the Dragon Age series, if they simply forgot to complete a minor side quest in Act 2? This game is called DRAGON Age after all. Wouldn't you think they'll at least gonna give you the OPTION to kill the High Dragon regardless of whether you finished some unimportant secondary quest in a previous act or not?

 

This would also mean players are not able to obtain the chestpiece for their Champion armor set for Hawke:

http://dragonage.wik...Champion_(mage)

 

The armor set which is featured in every single promotional trailer and videos, along with the FRONT COVER of the Dragon Age 2 game. How the hell does it make sense that players are not able to obtain this most important and hardest to get armor piece in game, if they simply forgot to do some random Act 2 minor quest? What kind of fail game design would this be if it's true...

 

Also as I've stated previously, you DON'T even need to do the Bone Pit quest series in order to kill the High Dragon. So you can pretty much ignore those three quests from Hubert, and still able to wander into the Bone Pit (location), kill the High Dragon and get your rewards. This is stated clearly by the wiki, as well as being pure common sense.

 

So come on Bioware, FIX this bug already! How hard would it be to just UNLINK two quests together in DA Keep?

 

It may be that you can do the quests without the act 2, but why is it a problem in the keep?

[Falconwatch]

Are you fricking serious? I already explained this THREE DIFFERENT TIMES!! Did you even bother to read what I’ve written above, or you just can’t understand simple English? Okay I’ll explain this ONE MORE TIME for the slow people, please actually read it this time and think about it for a second before posting.

 

According to DA Keep, the ONLY WAY for players to kill the High Dragon (the SIGNATURE boss of the series), is that they MUST complete some minor secondary quest in Act 2, to kill some looters of Hubert’s caravan. Otherwise there’s NO WAY to select the option that Hawke killed the High Dragon in Act 3.

 

So even though the player killed the High Dragon in Act 3, they cannot SELECT THE OPTION that they killed it. Because this option is incorrectly linked with the Act 2 condition mentioned above, and this itself is a bug in Dragon Age Keep.

 

Do you comprehend it now? I seriously don’t understand why it so much explanation for some people to comprehend such a simple logic…