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[Vinitchz]

The next game may be as well about a new faction/organization in tevinter rising to power and the inq appearing in the end to ask the new protagonist to help against Solas 

[TheRevanchist]

Actually, I have an idea. The more I think about its starting to grow on me. Somewhat Geralt-Ciri style but not quite. We play as the new PC 90% of the time. However at particular plot moments (All of which will be non-combat) we take control of the Inquisitor and make decisions that will affect the game world the new protagonist plays in, in keeping with the Chessmaster idea.

I think I could like that.

 

Yes that is very similar to what I had said awhile ago... 

[Pistolized]

Sorry, couldn't read the entire thread, too many spoilers... BUT: if your Warden is still alive at this point you are either morally bankrupt (Dark Ritual) or have found the cure to the blight (Wardens' reduced lifetime).  Personally, my Hawke is dead now.

 

So what I'm getting at is, besides personal attacks against you the reader, is that there's no way to keep a straight storyline going with the number of outcomes available.  And I'm OK with that.  I wouldn't have a problem with Hawke having another story (prequels only) or following the Awakenings-Warden around again.  I mean its only been 4 games (including awakenings).  Thats a decent pattern but there's nothing keeping that pattern in place.

 

P.S. I'm in this for the long haul.  I'm for Thedas as the main character.  When the current crisis ends or the next age begins I'll be looking for a good story, whether that be with established characters or not.  ...  DA:O 2 please

[TheRevanchist]

Narrative wise it would be complicate, it worked fine with games like RE6, where you dont chose the controlled character dialogue and each character has his own arch, but choosing dialogue options to talk between 2 MC does not seen appealing to me

 

FF6 would like a word with you. The game had multiple Parties that each contributed to the main, overarching plot in their own way. 

[TheRevanchist]

Sorry, couldn't read the entire thread, too many spoilers... BUT: if your Warden is still alive at this point you are either morally bankrupt (Dark Ritual) or have found the cure to the blight (Wardens' reduced lifetime).  Personally, my Hawke is dead now.

 

So what I'm getting at is, besides personal attacks against you the reader, is that there's no way to keep a straight storyline going with the number of outcomes available.  And I'm OK with that.  I wouldn't have a problem with Hawke having another story (prequels only) or following the Awakenings-Warden around again.  I mean its only been 4 games (including awakenings).  Thats a decent pattern but there's nothing keeping that pattern in place.

 

P.S. I'm in this for the long haul.  I'm for Thedas as the main character.  When the current crisis ends or the next age begins I'll be looking for a good story, whether that be with established characters or not.  ...  DA:O 2 please

 

Or you know...we coulda told Morrigan to ****** off, recruited Logain, stuck Alistair on the throne and made Loghain take the hit as his punishment.

[Aren]

I get the feeling that everyone believe that Solas will be the next villain,there is also the posiibility that the next villain will be an Evanuris

[Jaron Oberyn]

I get the feeling that everyone believe that Solas will be the next villain,there is also the posiibility that the next villain will be an Evanuris

Not likely, since they're all banished while the veil is still up.

[BloodyTalon]

I get the feeling that everyone believe that Solas will be the next villain,there is also the posiibility that the next villain will be an Evanuris

Or it could be something else, still think Solas wants one of those orbs and there is a place where those exists. Or use to it, hard to say who the next bad will be, for all we know Solas could end up being a background bad guy and the next hero meerly stumbles on one of his plots or one of his foes plots, hard to say really.

[Bombadyl]

I get the feeling that everyone believe that Solas will be the next villain,there is also the posiibility that the next villain will be an Evanuris

 

 

I assume nothing, as one thing DA has shown me is that there are enough story arcs and open ends that a next installment is capable of going in any number of directions.  Of course I don't even see Solas as "evil", as he is not acting out of malice as much as what he perceives his own, or his peoples own interests.

 

For all I know, there may be Nug Lords from across the sea coming to free Schmooples.

[AntiChri5]

A new protagonist each game is not lame.

 

My Hero of Ferelden is retired to a villa on the Waking Sea.

My Hawke is back in Kirkwall helping Varrric run the city.

My Inquisitor is retired from adventuring, and is gathering new allies to carry on the fight.

 

I don't need a Retired Badass to show up to remind my new character he's playing in the Big Leagues now.  Their time is past.  Now they can enjoy the fruits of their labors.  Let someone else save the world.

 

Otherwise we risk watching our character get Sheparded.

After Mass Effect, I don't want another BioWare game to carry forward with the same protagonist for multiple games.

[TheRevanchist]

I assume nothing, as one thing DA has shown me is that there are enough story arcs and open ends that a next installment is capable of going in any number of directions.  Of course I don't even see Solas as "evil", as he is not acting out of malice as much as what he perceives his own, or his peoples own interests.

 

For all I know, there may be Nug Lords from across the sea coming to free Schmooples.

 

Bad people never see themselves as the bad guy, they always believe they are doing what is required. 

[whiteravenxi]

I was pleased to hear Laidlaw's comments about the Dragon Age franchise being more about "Thedas" than individual characters.  It opens up infinite possibilities and besides, as the years go on, the last thing I want to see is some 90 year old, magically infused botox injected hero (known as the elder one by his friends back at the retirement home or down at the glowing hand tavern) go on yet another quest at level 843 wearing tier 140 armor that takes enough quilback hide to choke a black hole to prevent from being turned into a statute by Solas and placed in a Dr. Who episode.

 

New protagonist please.

 

And I don't want to be new hero #7 that came from humble beginnings again, rose to power again, lead a team again, defeated someone else's boss again, and then have all my story threads abandoned for the sake of Dragon Age "being about the world" again. If that's what they want to do then just move the timeline forward at least 200 years and close the damn door on the story threads for the Inquisitor! This century is already borderline ridiculous with three world ending crisis and three separate legendary heroes.

 

But, no. That's not what happened in Trespasser. The door was half closed at most based on character choice. In my game it was blown wide open.

 

Bioware never knew what Dragon Age was going to be. Dragon Age 2 was an experiment and they made mistakes. They tried to say we could play as Hawke because it's about Thedas. In reaility they didn't have the time or possibly the budget to make Inquisition. And having the Warden unvoiced was a huge problem that there was no way of fixing. They couldn't hire some actor to take over that role, so they were stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

Dragon Age 2 needed to come out way too fast and after the critical reception, they knew they needed to go back to diversity, multiple races, full customization and take their time doing it. But now they had all the holes left by Hawke. They felt it'd suck in the greater ambition to force the player to just play Hawke again, so along comes the Inquisitor, a character we sculpt from the get go.

 

Now they have a chance to continue that ownership for one more installment and everyone in this thread be like "noooo" it has to be a new protagonist. And the only counter reasons I'm getting is because the Inquisitor is suddenly 90 years old and too decrepit to pick up Elfroot, or is too handicapped because he's missing one arm... and then my favorite reason: that Solas is not really their fight. Even when Solas looked us dead in the eye and pretty much acted like "hey man, I done played you. I played you so hard. I played you from the moment you walked into Cory's room. Enjoy life and stuff for a few years. I'm gonna blow everything up then. Peace. Oh, and by the way, I kicked your dog every time you weren't looking."

 

...

 

 

 

I don't need one protagonist for multiple games. I need the same protagonist for the next story involving the Veil crashing down on all our heads. Solas is gonna pay for kicking my damn dog.

 

 

[Bombadyl]

Bad people never see themselves as the bad guy, they always believe they are doing what is required. 

 

 

Good and evil are terms I really despise as they are so dependent upon where we stand.  If you had evidence that some clan of elves were going to kill all the people in your village because of some ancient (whether real or imagined) reason and you swoop down on the back of a dragon and slaughter them.  Elves are going to see you as evil, but meanwhile your clan is going to hail you as a hero. 

 

As a human citizen of Thedas, yeah, I think it is bad that Solas plans on destroying my world to restore his, but would those entrapped, or himself feel they were doing bad?  So I do not consider him evil or bad, but from my point of view it doesn't matter, as I wish to live, thus must act to preserve my world. 

 

What if in DA4 you are faced with saving Thedas by knowingly destroying the Fade and everything in it?  Is doing good for your world by destroying another a bad thing?

[Danny Boy 7]

And I don't want to be new hero #7 that came from humble beginnings again, rose to power again, lead a team again, defeated someone else's boss again, and then have all my story threads abandoned for the sake of Dragon Age "being about the world" again. If that's what they want to do then just move the timeline forward at least 200 years and close the damn threads for the Inquisitor! This century is already borderline ridiculous with three world ending crisis and three separate legendary heroes.

 

But, no. That's not what happened in Trespasser. The door was half closed at most based on character choice. In my game it was blown wide open.

 

Bioware never knew what Dragon Age was going to be. Dragon Age 2 was an experiment and they made mistakes. They tried to say we could play as Hawke because it's about Thedas. In reaility they didn't have the time or possibly the budget to make Inquisition. And having the Warden unvoiced was a huge problem that there was no way of fixing. They couldn't hire some actor to take over that role, so they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Dragon Age 2 happened way too fast and they wanted to go back to diversity, multiple races, full customization. Now they had all the holes left by Hawke. They felt it'd suck in the greater ambition to force the player to just play Hawke again, so along comes the Inquisitor, a character we sculpt from the get go.

 

Now they have a chance to continue that ownership for one more installment and everyone in this thread be like "noooo" it has to be a new protagonist. And the only counter reasons I'm getting is because the Inquisitor is now 90 years old, or is handicapped for missing one arm, or that Solas is not really their fight.

 

I don't need one protagonist for multiple games. I need the same protagonist for the next story involving the Veil crashing down on all our damn heads.

 

...

 

And you've given no reason why the Inquisitor HAS to be the main protagonist. People have also mentioned how Solas having spies would make any attempt by the Inquisitor personally searching for him almost impossible that's why the Inquisitor is searching for new allies because he/she has to hang back so as to not tip Solas off that they're after him or rather that they're not getting close to stop him because he knows how resourceful the Inquisitor is.

[TheRevanchist]

And you've given no reason why the Inquisitor HAS to be the main protagonist. People have also mentioned how Solas having spies would make any attempt by the Inquisitor personally searching for him almost impossible that's why the Inquisitor is searching for new allies because he/she has to hang back so as to not tip Solas off that they're after him or rather that they're not getting close to stop him because he knows how resourceful the Inquisitor is.

 

Yes, yes we have, you choose not to recognize them as valid reasons. That is your prerogative of course, but we have absolutely told you why.

[Jaron Oberyn]

And you've given no reason why the Inquisitor HAS to be the main protagonist. People have also mentioned how Solas having spies would make any attempt by the Inquisitor personally searching for him almost impossible that's why the Inquisitor is searching for new allies because he/she has to hang back so as to not tip Solas off that they're after him or rather that they're not getting close to stop him because he knows how resourceful the Inquisitor is.

1. The DLC heavily implies he isn't done.

 

2. There is no way to kill the inquisitor, whereas previous protags in the DA franchise could die. This allows Bioware to avoid "ermagerd Bioware my inquis is dead how can I play DA4." complaints.

 

3. The inquisitor drops the line "I'm going to save the world. again." at the end of the dlc.

 

4. No matter whether you choose to disband or keep the inquisition, you still end up in the war room plotting to find Solas. The inquisitor says they have to find people who Solas doesn't know, in Tevinter. Given most of your team leaves that implies finding new companions.

 

5. The argument that the inquisitor can't be the protag because of the arm is invalid. There are prosthetics in the DA universe. One of the epilogue slides even shows an inquisitor with a crossbow prosthetic. Iron Bull was originally going to be missing an arm, and have a prosthetic cannon. Having some sort of prosthetic mechanism allows Bioware to experiment with new and unique gameplay options for all of the classes. I'm also certain having a disabled protagonist to add to their increasing diversity would be another feather Bioware would like to add to their hat.

 

6. Weekes has said that should they do another game, they will give closure to the Solas story line. Hard to do that properly with a new guy who barely if at all knows him. Also imagine the chilling screams of solasmancers who can't get the closure with their characters.

 

7. The next DA game is likely going to be the last in the franchise. Solas' goals have a ring of finality to it, and it seems to suggest the outcomes may allow them to go the ME3 route of "merge the veil", "Keep the veil", "Blue" with the endings. If it is indeed the last game, there is no problem with them breaking their rule of new protagonists per title.

 

8. This new hero for every game thing is getting to be tiresome. Especially since it's start from zero to hero in the course of one title. It's too cliche at this point, and just feels forced. No one is asking for them to make a trilogy around one character, but when you have a certain arc that begins with one character you should allow that character to finish it. The ending of the DLC implies that they are going to be doing just that.

 

9. EA ultimately calls the shots, and they may find having a centralized character is better for the franchise (even if it is the end) than a new face they have to keep marketing.

[whiteravenxi]

And you've given no reason why the Inquisitor HAS to be the main protagonist. People have also mentioned how Solas having spies would make any attempt by the Inquisitor personally searching for him almost impossible that's why the Inquisitor is searching for new allies because he/she has to hang back so as to not tip Solas off that they're after him or rather that they're not getting close to stop him because he knows how resourceful the Inquisitor is.

 

I don't really know how we can get any clearer. I mean, does Solas have to murder your mom, put a turd on your lawn and light it on fire and then empty your personal bank account for you to think YOU should be involved? No it's cool. Clearly it was nothing personal. Why don't you let some guy you don't know from a different town handle it.

[TheRevanchist]

I don't really know how we can get any clearer. I mean, does Solas have to murder your mom, put a turd on your lawn and light it on fire and then empty your personal bank account for you to think YOU should be involved? No it's cool. Clearly it was nothing personal. Why don't you let some guy you don't know from a different town handle it.

 

I am out of Likes, but I agree, both with this, and with Jaron above. 

 

Also just want to thank everyone profusely for the whopping 21 Likes for my Wall O Text on Page 6. I am truly humbled. 

[Bombadyl]

 

Welcome to DA4, Inky's return to Whispering Pines

[Humakt83]

It works very well. The world feels much richer and larger due to it than something like Mass Effect or Witcher where you only have single character and more or less the same set of people.

[Danny Boy 7]

Yes, yes we have, you choose not to recognize them as valid reasons. That is your prerogative of course, but we have absolutely told you why.

That's the exact same thing the poster I was replying to was doing. They were dismissing arguments against why the Inquisitor would return.

[TheRevanchist]

That's the exact same thing the poster I was replying to was doing. They were dismissing arguments against why the Inquisitor would return.

 

Regardless, people have in fact provided reasoning for this point of view, just as your side has. Neither sides reasoning makes any sense to the other, that much is obvious. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Regardless, people have in fact provided reasoning for this point of view, just as your side has. Neither sides reasoning makes any sense to the other, that much is obvious. 

I know, that's why I was pointing it out. The poster I was replying to though was dismissing the handful of arguments and making it seem like their reasoning was any less definitive than his or hers. What I was saying was that "my side" (which is kind of silly to say since I've repeatedly said I'm okay with the Inquisitor returning as a major NPC or even a 5 percent MC, hell if they broke the mold and went the same way with the Inquisitor I wouldn't be broke up about it, however yes I am in favor of a new protagonist because the premise that BioWare and the DLC put forth in my mind support the idea of a new PC, again I'm not investing in said new PC just that I'd PREFER it.) was providing very valid arguments as to why there should be a new protagonist, not why the Inquisitor should be excluded which is what people seem to think a new protagonist is somehow going to include.

 

Again, I love the Inquisitor and yes I hope they're involved, however I don't think it's bad writing if they play a major NPC role/non-combat role.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm going to end up repeating some stuff other people have said, but I think it bears repeating:

 

I was ready for Trespasser to be the end, dissolve/continue the Inquisition, retire with your love interest, and life would go on down south and the new game would move up north with little codices referencing the Inquisition from time to time. They could have easily left Solas to be cryptic and not tell us his doomsday plans. He could have easily said he was going to save his people or something to that effect. Instead they chose to show the inner circle of the Inquisition back in Haven, where it all began, plotting to go to Tevinter. (am I the only one who got really excited seeing them back where it all began, ready to begin anew?)

That's exactly how I felt. Though I wanted to play as the Inquisitor again, I expected not to, and prepared accordingly. But Trespasser threw everything into the air, and now I need to play as the Inquisitor again. I feel like Trespasser was (significantly) more personal because of Weekes' new direction. I really hope that continues and he breaks some rules for the sake of the story.

 

 

There is no reason except the ones you guys are head canon'ing for a new protagonist to take up this fight over an active Inquisitor. If yours retired then sure, I didn't have that ending. My ending was a 100% kicking off point. Maybe Bioware actually plans to let us choose a new protag if our inq quit or in my case, let me continue. Which is fascinating.

Thing is, even the Inquisitor who says their adventuring days may be over still does exactly what the one who says they'll save the world again does - and with a functional Inquisition no less!

 

But I'm not talking about real-life disabilities, nor do I think real-life one-armed people utilize multi-handed weaponry. Let me extrapolate on the many issues I see with this "just use a prosthetic" notion...

 

Unless the Inquisitor sprung for the most expensive prosthetic ever and constructed it out of SILVERITE, I don't think that arm is going to hold...

Hey, my Inquisitor has stockpiled 700+ silverite

 

I am out of Likes, but I agree, both with this, and with Jaron above. 

 

Also just want to thank everyone profusely for the whopping 21 Likes for my Wall O Text on Page 6. I am truly humbled. 

You deserve them!

 

Actually, I have an idea. The more I think about its starting to grow on me. Somewhat Geralt-Ciri style but not quite. We play as the new PC 90% of the time. However at particular plot moments (All of which will be non-combat) we take control of the Inquisitor and make decisions that will affect the game world the new protagonist plays in, in keeping with the Chessmaster idea.

I think I could like that.

Yes, if we could control the Inquisitor most of the time they're present, as well as the new protagonist, that could work really well. It could. It would certainly be something fresh and interesting.

 

If we are going to Tevinter, there is a good chance we won't be from there. Bioware has done that so the protagonist has reasons for being a fish out of water thus asking and doing things people who have been there wouldn't ask or do. With Shepard, we were a human so the new kids on the block. With Hawke, we were a Ferelden who was now living in the Free Marches. With the Inquisitor, we were not part of Ferelden or Orlesian culture. So really the Inquisitor would fit the bill rather well. If we are a new protagonist, we will be a foreigner againor if we are a native we'll be in a position where we don't know much about our home. 

It's true that every possible protagonist in Dragon Age barring the human noble was an outsider, so it wouldn't be odd to play as the Inquisitor in Tevinter. If we have a new protagonist though, I'd imagine at least one origin would be a native.

 

1. No, I built her up to stop Corypheus' plan. She achieved that. I did not build her up to hunt an ancient elven god she didn't know about until two years after the fact. That's a new goal. Read the point I was replying to. The point of my reply was saying that our characters aren't purposeless just because they aren't continued protagonists from game to game.

2. And you're right about one thing, the writing in Trespasser was very deliberate. They knew exactly what they were doing when they took the Inquisitor's mark along with their arm. They also knew what they were doing when the Inquisitor said "my own adventuring days are over" and "Then we'll find people he doesn't know." Bioware has no intention of returning to the Inquisitor as a protagonist.

3. Now, could Bioware conceivably grant temporary control over the Inquisitor while speaking to Solas? I suppose. They've haven't done anything like that, so I doubt it, but they conceivably could. The Inquisitor will not be a main fixture of the game throughout though.

(I put the numbers there.)

 

1. Well, you're just wrong there. The Inquisition's purpose wasn't to stop Corypheus specifically, it was to bring those who were responsible for the Breach to justice and restore order. Just because you thought you did that doesn't mean you did, and it doesn't mean things can't be more complicated than they appeared at first. You may have thought your job was done, but now you know Solas is the one responsible and he is about to bring anything but order to the world. That's the same goal. Your job is not done.

 

2. As many people have already said, if you use "My adventuring days may be over" as an argument, you can't ignore "If you'll excuse me, I'm off to save the world. Again." That was also very deliberate. More to the point, the game still ends the same way: The Inquisitor is launching an offensive against Solas. As for finding new people, without more information, you can interpret that the way you did, or simply that we'll need new followers, which is how I interpreted it. Speaking of not knowing things, don't speak for Bioware. You aren't a fly on their wall. Just because they said years ago they like new protagonists doesn't mean they can't ever change their minds - and they do change their minds. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying that means they will, but they might.

 

3. Actually, they have done stuff like that, even if more simple and minor. You controlled Joker in ME2. No reason they couldn't do that again but with dialogue choices.

[Bombadyl]

I know, that's why I was pointing it out. The poster I was replying to though was dismissing the handful of arguments and making it seem like their reasoning was any less definitive than his or hers. What I was saying was that "my side" (which is kind of silly to say since I've repeatedly said I'm okay with the Inquisitor returning as a major NPC or even a 5 percent MC, hell if they broke the mold and went the same way with the Inquisitor I wouldn't be broke up about it, however yes I am in favor of a new protagonist because the premise that BioWare and the DLC put forth in my mind support the idea of a new PC, again I'm not investing in said new PC just that I'd PREFER it.) was providing very valid arguments as to why there should be a new protagonist, not why the Inquisitor should be excluded which is what people seem to think a new protagonist is somehow going to include.

 

Again, I love the Inquisitor and yes I hope they're involved, however I don't think it's bad writing if they play a major NPC role/non-combat role.

 

Sounds like you listened to the Laidlaw interview.  The first 3-4 minutes is very indicative of the DA franchise.  Also he mentioned how in like ME, how some thought lines were worn to death and played out and it seems they don't want to go down this type of road with DA.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=qIi_Q-OS6Jc