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[TheRevanchist]

A clean slate. I mean regardless of how big a role Solas plays in this game the main character has to deal with everything else that's going on. It's going to be much harder to have the Inquisitor deal with Qunari he or she was previously in conflict with or elves that already know that you;re trying to stop the return of their immortality. I think my point is that our Inquisitor's have put forth very serious opinions.

 

Frankly, tbh I don't see the inquisitor just ignoring those other problems. They've cared about the peace and security of Thedas for a long while.

[Jaron Oberyn]

A lot of wrong assumptions in your post. Who told you that DA FANTASY realm is heading to the same future as the real world. Industrial revolution? Really? Thedas has thousands of years of history and beside some similarities with the Earth medieval era, is pretty different in any other aspect and it seems has stayed like that for eons.

 

Since when Bioware had to close story arcs in order to bring a full set of new characters (including new protagonist)? Why a new protagonist wouldn't likely have reasons to see Baldy as morally gray just because he/she weren't friends or lovers? That issue would be solved in many different ways, like, for example, having this time a protagonist that really knows DA's lore and doesn't need Morrigan right beside to explain the most basic chunks of it. It could also be an elf (hopefully one with shoulders and without crippled arms), that would feel sympathetic towards Eggy.

 

If you find, as a player, utterly horrible that a protagonist knows less than you (the player), regarding a specific character, then why it wasn't a biiiiig issue the Inquisitor knew literally nothing about Coryfushy when the ugly bastard was already a big thing in DA2 and even Hawke's father was the one who reinforced his prison.

 

Judging by your above post, it seems the first DA game you have played was DAI.

 

1. Hawke thought Corypheus was dead. The inquisitor knows Solas is out there, and thats why no matter what you choose to do the epilogue shows him/her searching for him.

 

2. The story of Inquisition was supposed to be Hawkes story through an expansion that got scrapped. Thankfully it did because Hawke was rather boring himself, and not very different from player to player. Every dialogue option was essentially the same thing, only flavored as serious, humorous, angsty.

 

 

Frankly, tbh I don't see the inquisitor just ignoring those other problems. They've cared about the peace and security of Thedas for a long while.

Exactly. And it was conveyed in the line "I'm off to save the world. again." As well as the epilogue scene that shows them actively looking for solas, and planning to gather allies in Tevinter.

[Smudjygirl]

Just to put out there for those saying the Inquisitor has too much of a presence. That's true..in Ferelden and Orlais. Tevinter was always resistant to giving them any sort of credit, Dorian pretty much says that. They don't really have a presence in Tevinter aside from people hearing about what they have done in the south. All interaction between the Inquisitor and Tevinter was done via Josephine and the war table. Dorian and his father are really the only people from there who know the Inquisitor.

[ESTAQ99]

1. Hawke thought Corypheus was dead. The inquisitor knows Solas is out there, and thats why no matter what you choose to do the epilogue shows him/her searching for him.

 

2. The story of Inquisition was supposed to be Hawkes story through an expansion that got scrapped. Thankfully it did because Hawke was rather boring himself, and not very different from player to player. Every dialogue option was essentially the same thing, only flavored as serious, humorous, angsty.

 

 

Exactly. And it was conveyed in the line "I'm off to save the world. again." As well as the epilogue scene that shows them actively looking for solas, and planning to gather allies in Tevinter.

 

 

If Hawke was a boring protagonist, then the Inquisitor was a dead protagonist. 

[Ardent Blossom]

A lot of wrong assumptions in your post. Who told you that DA FANTASY realm is heading to the same future as the real world. Industrial revolution? Really? Thedas has thousands of years of history and beside some similarities with the Earth medieval era, is pretty different in any other aspect and it seems has stayed like that for eons.

 

Since when Bioware had to close story arcs in order to bring a full set of new characters (including new protagonist)? Why a new protagonist wouldn't likely have reasons to see Baldy as morally gray just because he/she weren't friends or lovers? That issue would be solved in many different ways, like, for example, having this time a protagonist that really knows DA's lore and doesn't need Morrigan right beside to explain the most basic chunks of it. It could also be an elf (hopefully one with shoulders and without crippled arms), that would feel sympathetic towards Eggy.

 

If you find, as a player, utterly horrible that a protagonist knows less than you (the player), regarding a specific character, then why it wasn't a biiiiig issue the Inquisitor knew literally nothing about Coryfushy when the ugly bastard was already a big thing in DA2 and even Hawke's father was the one who reinforced his prison.

 

Judging by your above post, it seems the first DA game you have played was DAI.

Hi friend!

 

I've played all the Dragon Age games as you can see to the left <---  as well as several other Bioware games (KoTOR) FTW. I know what they usually do. I'd like them to evolve on the issue of wrapping up one story before moving on.  

 

I only brought up Fable (also fantasy) because it came to mind. I think the time leap in Fable is one of the reasons that franchise has fizzled out. Over time any civilization (fictional included) is going to change. A huge time leap may change Thedas into something the DA community doesn't recognize as DA anymore. That's all. I'm sorry you misinterpreted my tone as being completely serious/worried/angry. 

 

As far as Cory goes...I didn't buy Legacy because I didn't like DA2 very much. Cory was new to me as a player. I was, however, irritated for some time that I knew Solas was the Dread Wolf and my Inquisitor did not. I think the Trespasser DLC would have been better if we hadn't had that epilogue. My Lavellan ended up giving me a Lois Lane vibe.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Hi friend!

 

I've played all the Dragon Age games as you can see to the left <---  as well as several other Bioware games (KoTOR) FTW. I know what they usually do. I'd like them to evolve on the issue of wrapping up one story before moving on.  

 

I only brought up Fable (also fantasy) because it came to mind. I think the time leap in Fable is one of the reasons that franchise has fizzled out. Over time any civilization (fictional included) is going to change. A huge time leap may change Thedas into something the DA community doesn't recognize as DA anymore. That's all. I'm sorry you misinterpreted my tone as being completely serious/worried/angry. 

 

As far as Cory goes...I didn't buy Legacy because I didn't like DA2 very much. Cory was new to me as a player. I was, however, irritated for some time that I knew Solas was the Dread Wolf and my Inquisitor did not. I think the Trespasser DLC would have been better if we hadn't had that epilogue. My Lavellan ended up giving me a Lois Lane vibe.

You can confront Solas with the knowledge that he's the dread wolf. Here's how: http://forum.bioware...-of-trespasser/

[Ardent Blossom]

You can confront Solas with the knowledge that he's the dread wolf. Here's how: http://forum.bioware...-of-trespasser/

I know. I did that in game. I was talking about BEFORE the DLC came out. I was annoyed that a new PC would know Solas was the Dread Wolf or that the Inky would without having figured it out for themselves. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Just to put out there for those saying the Inquisitor has too much of a presence. That's true..in Ferelden and Orlais. Tevinter was always resistant to giving them any sort of credit, Dorian pretty much says that. They don't really have a presence in Tevinter aside from people hearing about what they have done in the south. All interaction between the Inquisitor and Tevinter was done via Josephine and the war table. Dorian and his father are really the only people from there who know the Inquisitor.

And all the Venatori and of course Solas and his former elven Inquisition members.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I know. I did that in game. I was talking about BEFORE the DLC came out. I was annoyed that a new PC would know Solas was the Dread Wolf or that the Inky would without having figured it out for themselves. 

Gotcha. It's sort of like having Mythal's valaslin and going "whos dat?" in the end of the game.

[Smudjygirl]

And all the Venatori and of course Solas and his former elven Inquisition members.

 

Venetori are all but destroyed, really. And the point of having spies is to not let people know they are your spies. Hopefully Solas has competent people under his command.

[Danny Boy 7]

Frankly, tbh I don't see the inquisitor just ignoring those other problems. They've cared about the peace and security of Thedas for a long while.

Ignoring them, probably not, but the Inquisitor won't have the political leverage they had in Inquisition and again will be a super obvious target for Solas and his spies. A new PC doesn't have to worry about anyone recognizing them because they're a relative nobody. New guys hanging out with Dorian, well that doesn't mean they know the Inquisitor. New guy uncovers secret plot by Solas, pure coincidence. Ooh, try getting a Qunari, like a hard core Qunari to work with the Inquisitor now. Or if you work for the Chantry by the end, try getting the Black Divine's help. 

[ESTAQ99]

Hi friend!

 

I've played all the Dragon Age games as you can see to the left <---  as well as several other Bioware games (KoTOR) FTW. I know what they usually do. I'd like them to evolve on the issue of wrapping up one story before moving on.  

 

I only brought up Fable (also fantasy) because it came to mind. I think the time leap in Fable is one of the reasons that franchise has fizzled out. Over time any civilization (fictional included) is going to change. A huge time leap may change Thedas into something the DA community doesn't recognize as DA anymore. That's all. I'm sorry you misinterpreted my tone as being completely serious/worried/angry. 

 

As far as Cory goes...I didn't buy Legacy because I didn't like DA2 very much. Cory was new to me as a player. I was, however, irritated for some time that I knew Solas was the Dread Wolf and my Inquisitor did not. I think the Trespasser DLC would have been better if we hadn't had that epilogue. My Lavellan ended up giving me a Lois Lane vibe.

 

Hi there!

 

I must apologize then for getting the wrong impression from your post. I understand you didn't know much about Coryfurry since you didn't play Legacy.  

[Jaron Oberyn]

Ignoring them, probably not, but the Inquisitor won't have the political leverage they had in Inquisition and again will be a super obvious target for Solas and his spies. A new PC doesn't have to worry about anyone recognizing them because they're a relative nobody. New guys hanging out with Dorian, well that doesn't mean they know the Inquisitor. New guy uncovers secret plot by Solas, pure coincidence. Ooh, try getting a Qunari, like a hard core Qunari to work with the Inquisitor now. Or if you work for the Chantry by the end, try getting the Black Divine's help. 

 

I don't think success in foiling Solas' plans hinges on anonymity. The whole reason for getting new people in Tevinter is because Solas already knows everyone in the inquisition and how they operate. The inquisitor already told Solas they were coming for him, either to kill him or save him from himself. So he already knows the inquisitor is gunning for him. It's just a matter of the people and the methods of the organization that need changing. That's why the game shows that if you keep the inquisition you have greater risk of corruption. He knows how it works, whereas a small group that builds up into something else entirely is not familiar to him.

[Danny Boy 7]

Venetori are all but destroyed, really. And the point of having spies is to not let people know they are your spies. Hopefully Solas has competent people under his command.

It only takes one person to recognize the Inquisitor though, Well his, or there, plan after trespasser was to leave the Inquisition and show just how many spies in the Inquisition he had. I'm not a spy so I don't know the benefits or viability of keeping anyone still inside the Inquisition was, but....they could have been a little more discreet. I mean any elf could be a spy now right? Except for Fenris...maybe.

[Smudjygirl]

I don't think success in foiling Solas' plans hinges on anonymity. The whole reason for getting new people in Tevinter is because Solas already knows everyone in the inquisition and how they operate. The inquisitor already told Solas they were coming for him, either to kill him or save him from himself. So he already knows the inquisitor is gunning for him. It's just a matter of the people and the methods of the organization that need changing. That's why the game shows that if you keep the inquisition you have greater risk of corruption. He knows how it works, whereas a small group that builds up into something else entirely is not familiar to him.

 

That is an amazing point, especially since you always end up looking for him. Those choices make more sense to me now....

[Smudjygirl]

It only takes one person to recognize the Inquisitor though, Well his, or there, plan after trespasser was to leave the Inquisition and show just how many spies in the Inquisition he had. I'm not a spy so I don't know the benefits or viability of keeping anyone still inside the Inquisition was, but....they could have been a little more discreet. I mean any elf could be a spy now right? Except for Fenris...maybe.

 

It also shows how weak big, political powers can be. How everything can become corrupted with too much power. The conversation between Solas and Elf Inquisitor after Haven can show that both know that eventually the elves will be blamed, it always happens like that.

 

It doesn't matter how well you know someone, if you don't keep tabs on what they're doing, the might get you from the rear. He sees the Inquisitor as his biggest threat. Especially since if you ask him why he's doing what he's doing he says telling you would be "too easy".

[Danny Boy 7]

I don't think success in foiling Solas' plans hinges on anonymity. The whole reason for getting new people in Tevinter is because Solas already knows everyone in the inquisition and how they operate. The inquisitor already told Solas they were coming for him, either to kill him or save him from himself. So he already knows the inquisitor is gunning for him. It's just a matter of the people and the methods of the organization that need changing. That's why the game shows that if you keep the inquisition you have greater risk of corruption. He knows how it works, whereas a small group that builds up into something else entirely is not familiar to him.

That's exactly anonymity though. You need a new group because Solas knows these people, their strengths and weaknesses, how they think that includes the Inquisitor. When he knew Leliana was on his tail (no pun intended) he went to ground and stayed out of her reach for TWO YEARS and kept his spies a secret from her AND the Inquisitor. The minute the Inquisitor pops up anywhere you bet your egg salad he's going to either make your life extremely inconvenient or he's going to go to ground again. A new protagonist doesn't have that same kind of problems. The Inquisitor can still have his or her hand in things, but they'll be acting independent of the Inquisitor whilst working for the Inquisitor.

[Danny Boy 7]

It also shows how weak big, political powers can be. How everything can become corrupted with too much power. The conversation between Solas and Elf Inquisitor after Haven can show that both know that eventually the elves will be blamed, it always happens like that.

 

It doesn't matter how well you know someone, if you don't keep tabs on what they're doing, the might get you from the rear. He sees the Inquisitor as his biggest threat. Especially since if you ask him why he's doing what he's doing he says telling you would be "too easy".

Sorry I'm tired...

 

Are you agreeing with me? I mean I think you're kind of proving my point. He doesn't tell the Inquisitor because he knows that the Inquisitor is his biggest threat. How better to deal with Solas than by using some rando that wasn't a part of the Inquisition. And by rando I mean at the beginning of the game, not by the end when rando is the Herald of Tevinter's Daddybags..

[Smudjygirl]

Sorry I'm tired...

 

Are you agreeing with me? I mean I think you're kind of proving my point. He doesn't tell the Inquisitor because he knows that the Inquisitor is his biggest threat. How better to deal with Solas than by using some rando that wasn't a part of the Inquisition. And by rando I mean at the beginning of the game, not by the end when rando is the Herald of Tevinter's Daddybags..

 

I see both sides. I agree with what you're saying, but i also don't.

 

The thing is is a randomer has less emotional connection to get at Solas. While it can be done, it becomes a standard good vs evil "stop the bad guy" sort of thing. The plot with Solas makes more sense to be solved with the Inquisitor, and since we know the Inquisitor is actively searching for him and trying to find a way to stop him, it could be done. Just because he says he knows the Inquisitor and how they work, doesn't mean they can't come up with a strategy to stop him. Those who he cares for "continue to surprise (him)". Those who he doesn't have made him see his goal more clearly than ever. The connection to the Inquisitor is bigger than anything a new protag can offer. For this particular story arc, i believe the Inquisitor should be his opposition.

 

On a side note, being the Inquisitor and working for the Inquisitor pretty much amounts to the same thing if you use the "he knows them" excuse. So either we'd be disconnected from the Inquisitor's role in Solas's story, or Solas is going to win because of the predictability.

[MaxQuartiroli]

I might be done with Bioware if they don't let my Lavellan resolve the situation with Solas. If they had no intention of having the Inquisitor as at least a part-time protagonist in DA4 then they should have had Solas COMPLETELY cut off his relationship with friendly or romanced Inquisitors and go full on evil death lord. A new protagonist wouldn't likely have reason to see Solas as morally grey from their own knowledge/experience. As players we would have knowledge of Solas that the new player character would not. That is utterly horrible for role-playing. If I play a new character I don't want to feel stuck trying to engineer a happy ending for my Inquisitor. 

 

Sadly, we already had do it.. lots of times.

 

- When we prevented a romanced Leliana from becoming Divine because we feared that it could affect her romance with the Warden

- When we saved a romanced Alistair in the Fade because we didn't want to kill the HoF's beloved

- When we didn't let a romanced Morrigan drink from the well because we were sorry for the HoF (and his family) 

- When we sacrificed Stroud or Loghain in the Fade because we didn't want to distrupt our head canon happy-ending between Hawke and his/her lover (or even for his friends/siblings).

 

All of these choices were made for the sake of our previous heroes, and not according to our Inquisitor's thoughts. 

[TheRevanchist]

We already had do it.. lots of times.

 

- When we prevented a romanced Leliana from becoming Divine because we feared that it could affect her romance with the Warden

- When we saved a romanced Alistair in the Fade because we didn't want to kill the HoF's beloved

- When we didn't let a romanced Morrigan drink from the well because we were sorry for the HoF (and his family) 

- When we sacrificed Stroud or Loghain in the Fade because we didn't want to distrupt our head canon happy-ending between Hawke and his/her lovers.

 

All of these choices were made for the sake of our previous heroes, and not according to our Inquisitor's thoughts. 

 

Not for me, I play each character differently. Each one has his own views and opinions. I might make the same decision on more than one character, but it would be for a different reason. 

[Smudjygirl]

Sadly, we already had do it.. lots of times.

 

- When we prevented a romanced Leliana from becoming Divine because we feared that it could affect her romance with the Warden

- When we saved a romanced Alistair in the Fade because we didn't want to kill the HoF's beloved

- When we didn't let a romanced Morrigan drink from the well because we were sorry for the HoF (and his family) 

- When we sacrificed Stroud or Loghain in the Fade because we didn't want to distrupt our head canon happy-ending between Hawke and his/her lover.

 

All of these choices were made for the sake of our previous heroes, and not according to our Inquisitor's thoughts. 

 

 

-I always make her Divine and was happy it didn't really effect the romance

- Done it both ways, i like exploring the options. I'll never see my hero again, so her reaction doesn't really matter to me.

- I drink because i don't trust Flemeth, and by an indirect extension, Morrigan (this was before i knew who Flemeth was)

- I save Hawke for Varric, can Fenris suck it XD

 

Most were made because of the history i knew as a player, but not because of my hero

[Yumakooma]

I'd feel like if we were the Inquisitior yet again i'd be carrying on the exact same character-type I built my inquisitor up to be, and I kinda want a new direction with a new character. I don't like all my protagonists to be the same kind of character, I wouldn't want the same character played out two games running, and it would feel weird just completely changing who my inquisitor is just to play a dragon age game in a different way. That is why I like new protagonists, I can play a different type of person. I don't really have time to play the games through multiple times and neither do a lot of gamers because it takes hundreds of hours across the three games, and being able to play a fresh protagonist is more interesting to me, because I can create a new personality with that protagonist.

 

The next protagonist wouldn't care what happens to the inquisitor, so I wouldn't waste my time with the next protagonist trying to get the ideal outcome for my inquisitor. If i'm not controlling the Inquisitor, then its out of my hands and his hands what is gonna happen to him. I don't mind that... I don't really understand why people find it so hard to relinquish control over their characters, do you really have to control every aspect of what happens to them to enjoy it? If you already know the ending you want for the character, and won't accept any other, where is the fun? It just sounds a little boring and predictable to only accept your own dreams for what will happen to your protagonists... I guess maybe I just don't build up the crazy attatchment to characters that some people around here do, lol

[Danny Boy 7]

I see both sides. I agree with what you're saying, but i also don't.

 

The thing is is a randomer has less emotional connection to get at Solas. While it can be done, it becomes a standard good vs evil "stop the bad guy" sort of thing. The plot with Solas makes more sense to be solved with the Inquisitor, and since we know the Inquisitor is actively searching for him and trying to find a way to stop him, it could be done. Just because he says he knows the Inquisitor and how they work, doesn't mean they can't come up with a strategy to stop him. Those who he cares for "continue to surprise (him)". Those who he doesn't have made him see his goal more clearly than ever. The connection to the Inquisitor is bigger than anything a new protag can offer. For this particular story arc, i believe the Inquisitor should be his opposition.

 

On a side note, being the Inquisitor and working for the Inquisitor pretty much amounts to the same thing if you use the "he knows them" excuse. So either we'd be disconnected from the Inquisitor's role in Solas's story, or Solas is going to win because of the predictability.

OH alright I see it a little clearer, thank you,

 

I don't know if it'll be boiled down to, "Solas is bad kill kill!" because you can make a sympathetic villain; Loghain, Vader, Magneto, etc. and still have a new character being the focus of the new story. Again the Inquisitor doesn't have to be completely divorced from the story line at all, they just don't have to be center stage for DA4 at all.

 

As for the last two sentences, not really. I mean not if they're new members of the Inquisition or Lucerni (sp) and they're allowed to act independent of them selves. My main goal would be to stop Solas, but I need to follow these leads my new boss's mouth piece (Dorian) keeps passing on to me. He or she will track him down, but Egg Head is going to be confronted by Inky

[Smudjygirl]

OH alright I see it a little clearer, thank you,

 

I don't know if it'll be boiled down to, "Solas is bad kill kill!" because you can make a sympathetic villain; Loghain, Vader, Magneto, etc. and still have a new character being the focus of the new story. Again the Inquisitor doesn't have to be completely divorced from the story line at all, they just don't have to be center stage for DA4 at all.

 

As for the last two sentences, not really. I mean not if they're new members of the Inquisition or Lucerni (sp) and they're allowed to act independent of them selves. My main goal would be to stop Solas, but I need to follow these leads my new boss's mouth piece (Dorian) keeps passing on to me. He or she will track him down, but Egg Head is going to be confronted by Inky

 

I'm here to help. I think getting angry or giving personal attacks because of a personal opinion is stupid. If we can get our heads together, the devs may be able to come up with an idea that will please most people, even if it's not exactly what they wanted.

 

All very true. I just feel it's a little nonsensical to build up such a big relationship and such a big story around one protag, only to push it off onto another. People were annoyed at the Inquisitor doing most of the hard labour for the inquisition, well, if we work for it then we will be doing even worse (i think it could be, any way). And just to be clear, when i talk, i talk about Solas's story, not DA4. I have no idea what the connection between the two will be.

 

It's true, it may very well work. But if Solas has spies keeping tabs on what the Inquisitor is doing, then he will know a lot about who they are involving in their fight. They've set it up in a very difficult way, and people won't be pleased if 1) Inquisitor has a big presence and doesn't deal with Solas or 2) Inquisitor has no presence and doesn't deal with Solas. More so than saying "Inquisitor should be PC of DA4", i'm saying "I'm begging you to let my Inquisitor deal with Solas"