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[Reznore57]

The inquisitor disagrees? When said inquisitor clearly said they need people they don't know? Plus leliana plainly states that solas know's how you and the inquisition operates? Hell the inquisitor going to tevinter would be dumb in itself if they plan to stop solas personally. 

 

I certainly see them as major npc but not as a protagonist, in my mind the inquisitor walking around Tevinter would be the equivalent of wearing a siren on top of your head to solas. Since pretty much the whole tevinter government knows who you are and they don't really like you either and they were largely secretly hoping you will "fail". 

 

Having the "herald" or inquisitor running around tevinter just seems silly to me when dealing with someone like solas. 

 

You know they don't have TV in Thedas?

Unless someone made a painting of the Inquisitor and send it in a museum in Tevinter , people have no bloody idea what the Inquisitor look like.

 

People from Tevinter you meet end up dead , or in jail ...Alexius , Erimond , Calpernia if she lives owes you one ...and as a former slave she's not powerful in Tevinter.

Spoiler

Dorian's dad is dead in Trespasser

and Dorian isn't going to betray you.

 

Even if they knew , they'd probably just let you run around and just enjoy mocking you.You're now missing an arm , the "Blessed by the Maker" arm.And the Inquisition is either disdanded or Divine Victoria is the new boss.

They won't touch you and make a new Andraste out of the Inquisitor anyway , they have the Qunari putting even more pressure on them , they can't risk an Exalted March from the South or destroy any chance of diplomacy /help.

 

So the Inquisitor in Tevinter would be in an unfriendly zone for sure , but not one where he can't walk down the street without a group of assassin popping out of every corner.

[Hattress]

i honestly don't get it why finding someone solas does not know means we have to introduce a new PC. True, it would be unwise to keep the same inquisition to fight against solas,  but the inquisitor can always recruit someone new, form a new team.

Let's just say Illusive man had rebuilt Shepard's body, even kept a copy and oversaw Shepard and his/her team during ME2, not to mentioned he had already been watching and collecting data about Shepard before that. I bet both reaper and illusive man have most detailed report of Shepard and his/her team, and does that mean we have to replace Shepard and his group for someone new to take command of Normandy?

 

I think that at least when finally confronting Solas it has to be he and the inquisitor and we should have control of quizzy, especially if you want to redeem him.

First as a new random hero who shares not time as companion/friend/lover with Solas it makes no sense that he/she does not see Solas as some pure evil such as Cory, and for Solas high approval/romance quizzy is the very reason that he changed his mind and began to view modern races as real people, I don't see in any way a new PC can gain a higher impact on Solas over high approval/romance inquisitor.

IF ANYONE COULD CONVINCE SOLAS THERE IS ANOTHER WAY, IT HAS TO BE THE INQUISITOR.

 

Not to mention it would just be a disaster if we have our quizzy swear to save Solas at the end of Trespasser and just pat someone's shoulder "nah i have some other important matters to look after, handle that egg head however you like"  in DA4

 

Some may argue there might be no way to save Solas at all so it doesnt matter...but as i mentioned before, it is the perspective that matters. From  a new PC's POV there is only a standard baddie of the week: an ancient, immortal and extremely powerful mage who would like to destroy this world so he can rebuild a lost world of his own (sounds familiar right?) You don't invest a whole game and even add a romance to build a character and just put him on a normal baddie seat later.

[Nixou]

No, it's not. There's nothing about this that can be "simply" replaced. The new random yokel doesn't know Solas, and Solas doesn't know them. They never fought beside him when he was still little more than a normal mage, as vulnerable as any other. They never caught a blow that was meant for him, nor were they shielded by his magic in turn. They never guarded his sleep or he theirs. They never listened to his stories or joked with him. They never argued philosophy, politics or religion with him. They didn't share a roof or a meal with him even once, never mind for three years. They didn't gripe together about the task of trying to wash swamp filth from their clothes before giving up and burning them instead. They didn't spent weeks trudging through the mountains with him at their side, leading a group of ragtag survivors to a new home. They didn't change his mind about modern-day people indeed being people, nor did he change theirs about spirits being people. They were never friends.

 

 

I just imagined a parallel universe where the first game in the Dragon Age franchise wasn't Origins, but a game depicting the Fereldan rebelion, and instead of people demanding a return to Origins' formula, we get:

 

Why is that new random Grey Warden Greenhorn fighting Loghain instead of <insert-badass-Player-Controlled-fellow-rebel>? They never fought beside him at River Dane, they didn't let him cry on their shoulder when he found what Orlais had done to his Mabari. Then didn't spent weeks, months, traveling through the Bannorns, hiding from Chevaliers. They weren't here during The Calling expansion, they don't know about Alistair's real parentage and never swore to take that secret to their grave.

And now you're telling me that <insert-badass-Player-Controlled-fellow-rebel> left on a boat with Maric and were never seen again while this Nobody can survive the Blight, get a to rule a fat Arling as a reward and get dozens of Griffons' statues erected in their honor throughout Ferelden? Fire Gaider! Fire Weekes! These hack writers don't deserve to be paid for their drivel!

 

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Unless someone made a painting of the Inquisitor and send it in a museum in Tevinter 

 

 

You know, that could be an interesting way to reintroduce past characters:

Get invited in a rich Magister's villa, who then takes you to his private art gallery:

• "Here's a portrait of the famed Hero of Ferelden" -> open CC for Warden
• [in case of US] "And here's a portrait of Commander of the Grey who succeeded him/her" -> open CC for Orlesian Warden
• "Here's a portrait of the Champion of Kirkwall" -> open CC/import Hawke's appearance
• "And, last but not least, here's a portrait of the Herald of Andraste" -> open CC/import Quizzy appearance.

[Hattress]

 

I just imagined a parallel universe where the first game in the Dragon Age franchise wasn't Origins, but a game depicting the Fereldan rebelion, and instead of people demanding a return to Origins' formula, we get:

 

Why is that new random Grey Warden Greenhorn fighting Loghain instead of <insert-badass-Player-Controlled-fellow-rebel>? They never fought beside him at River Dane, they didn't let him cry on their shoulder when he found what Orlais had done to his Mabari. Then didn't spent weeks, months, traveling through the Bannorns, hiding from Chevaliers. They weren't here during The Calling expansion, they don't know about Alistair's real parentage and never swore to take that secret to their grave.

And now you're telling me that <insert-badass-Player-Controlled-fellow-rebel> left on a boat with Maric and were never seen again while this Nobody can survive the Blight, get a to rule a fat Arling as a reward and get dozens of Griffons' statues erected in their honor throughout Ferelden? Fire Gaider! Fire Weekes! These hack writers don't deserve to be paid for their drivel!

 

 

Well if in your game your <insert-badass-Player-Controlled-fellow-rebel>  and Loghain share a relationship as strong as the one between Loghain and Maric (for simplicity let's just fill Maric in and assume he lives long enough), and after 2-year disappearance Loghian show up again and confess he is the one behind Orlesian invasion and he now plans to destroy Fereldon with blight for whatever reason, plus Maric swear at the end that he is going after Loghain.

In the case, i think players have every reason to complain if it is two random Warden newbies who appear at the final confrontation with Loghain, while Maric is busy investigating some most urgent matters or babysitting his son. 

[Reznore57]

Loghain is a good example for me...of a badly used villain.

 

I played DAO , then went to the forum and saw pages and pages about Loghain , and Oh jeez what an interesting villain.

My first reaction was "Wait , what, did we play the same game???"

My experience with Loghain , I saw him at Ostaggar , I saw him leaving everyone to die , and the zoom on the Villain Face.

Fine , maybe he had to save his men .Who cares.

Later , my warden and Alistair tries to gather people to save Ferelden , Loghain send assassin to kill us.What did I do to this guy exactly?

Later I vaguely learn Loghain suffers a case of paranoia about some invisible Orlesians...maybe.

The Landmeets happen , I chop Loghain head off without second thought , the man has been trying to kill my wardens for no bloody reasons since day 1.

 

Later I bought the books shading lights on Loghain .

Oh well now I understand what was going on! The orlesians occupation was horrible for Ferelden , Loghain got his father killed and mother raped in front of him by orlesians! That would make anyone a bit mad and not mentally stable.

Oh right he's paranoid about Grey Warden because they ran away with Marric and did some shady things with the Architect!He has an history with wardens and a bad one!

Oh Orlais has been using blights to invade other nations  , that's how they build an empire!Loghain think the Blight is an excuse for another invasion!

 

Still everytime I replay DAO , I kill Loghain , the warden get none of those information clearly during the game.

Loghain come across as a lunatic who tries to kill the wardens for no good reasons.

[TheRevanchist]

Loghain is a good example for me...of a badly used villain.

 

I played DAO , then went to the forum and saw pages and pages about Loghain , and Oh jeez what an interesting villain.

My first reaction was "Wait , what, did we play the same game???"

My experience with Loghain , I saw him at Ostaggar , I saw him leaving everyone to die , and the zoom on the Villain Face.

Fine , maybe he had to save his men .Who cares.

Later , my warden and Alistair tries to gather people to save Ferelden , Loghain send assassin to kill us.What did I do to this guy exactly?

Later I vaguely learn Loghain suffers a case of paranoia about some invisible Orlesians...maybe.

The Landmeets happen , I chop Loghain head off without second thought , the man has been trying to kill my wardens for no bloody reasons since day 1.

 

Later I bought the books shading lights on Loghain .

Oh well now I understand what was going on! The orlesians occupation was horrible for Ferelden , Loghain got his father killed and mother raped in front of him by orlesians! That would make anyone a bit mad and not mentally stable.

Oh right he's paranoid about Grey Warden because they ran away with Marric and did some shady things with the Architect!He has an history with wardens and a bad one!

Oh Orlais has been using blights to invade other nations  , that's how they build an empire!Loghain think the Blight is an excuse for another invasion!

 

Still everytime I replay DAO , I kill Loghain , the warden get none of those information clearly during the game.

Loghain come across as a lunatic who tries to kill the wardens for no good reasons.

 

When the hell was this ever established as a thing? I've read literally every book, and this thought has never occurred to me...ever.

[Nixou]

Still everytime I replay DAO , I kill Loghain , the warden get none of those information clearly during the game.

Loghain come across as a lunatic who tries to kill the wardens for no good reasons.

 

 

That's probably why they decided to make Solas such an important character in Inquisition: to make his ambiguity obvious to players who didn't delve into the supplementary material

[Bigdoser]

Many people seem to be taking the reason for going to Tevinter the wrong way. The inquisitor doesn't say that because he doesn't want Solas to know he's coming for him. You outright declare to Solas in the DLC that you are coming for him, whether to kill him or to redeem him. A few people in here seem to think that you have to keep your involvement a surprise. You don't. The problem is the organization itself, the inquisition. He knows how the organization works, the people who comprise it. Whether it's your agents, soldiers, or diplomatic relations. He knows how the inquisition operates because he's been there since the start. The whole line about Tevinter was finding new allies. People who can work with you who won't be as predictable as your former organization.

 

 I also don't see how it's "silly" for the inquisitor to be in Tevinter at all. Solas threatens the world, technically he is the person behind the breach and the inquisition was started to find the one who is responsible. It doesn't matter which borders he crosses, he is a threat that needs to be stopped and the inquisitor and their inner circle are the best people to do so.

Well yeah the inquisitor will be coming for solas as a major npc 

 

You know they don't have TV in Thedas?

Unless someone made a painting of the Inquisitor and send it in a museum in Tevinter , people have no bloody idea what the Inquisitor look like.

 

People from Tevinter you meet end up dead , or in jail ...Alexius , Erimond , Calpernia if she lives owes you one ...and as a former slave she's not powerful in Tevinter.

Spoiler

Dorian's dad is dead in Trespasser

and Dorian isn't going to betray you.

 

Even if they knew , they'd probably just let you run around and just enjoy mocking you.You're now missing an arm , the "Blessed by the Maker" arm.And the Inquisition is either disdanded or Divine Victoria is the new boss.

They won't touch you and make a new Andraste out of the Inquisitor anyway , they have the Qunari putting even more pressure on them , they can't risk an Exalted March from the South or destroy any chance of diplomacy /help.

 

So the Inquisitor in Tevinter would be in an unfriendly zone for sure , but not one where he can't walk down the street without a group of assassin popping out of every corner.

Its not about that its the fact that its highly likely that solas has spies in Tevinter and if they clearly see the inquisitor walking around the spies will most likely inform solas and then he would just go to ground and he can go to ground really well considering the fact that even leliana can't trace him. I don't know any better spy master than Leliana. Plus solas was there from the start being a "trickster" god he would know how the inquisitor operates as well and how they would handle situations and he can easily predict your actions. 

 

Now having an unknown person mucking up his plans? He has to make new contigences for them because they may handle things differently and who knows what "quirk" the new PC will have (old god essensce please bioware! ) and that would be something else he may have to deal with. Plus these things would be harder for him to deal with if the inquisitor is helping the new PC in a major way. 

 

Honestly I think having the inquisitor as a PC is squandering tevinter since we have whole new potential of origin stories etc and the fact the inquisitor has no ties to the north or really any reason to care for it. I don't disapprove of the inquisitor being in DA4 but I highly doubt they will be the PC i fully expect them to be a major npc helping the new protagonist. To me the last scene was yeah the inquisitor will be involved but he is not going to be at the forefront and will playing a more supporting role. 

[Evamitchelle]

When the hell was this ever established as a thing? I've read literally every book, and this thought has never occurred to me...ever.

 

I think it mostly comes up in The World of Thedas Vol. 1. During the Second and Third Blight Orlais annexed/conquered the countries they'd helped fight off the Blight (respectively the Anderfels and Nevarra). The Orlesian Empire didn't exist at the time of the First Blight, and only sent a token force during the Fourth. That's not a track-record likely to inspire confidence in Loghain. 

[Reznore57]

When the hell was this ever established as a thing? I've read literally every book, and this thought has never occurred to me...ever.

 

During the second Blight , Drakon took part of the Anderfels after saving the place from Darkspawn.

During the third Blight , Orlais took the city of Nevarra .

[TheRevanchist]

Loghain is a good example for me...of a badly used villain.

 

I played DAO , then went to the forum and saw pages and pages about Loghain , and Oh jeez what an interesting villain.

My first reaction was "Wait , what, did we play the same game???"

My experience with Loghain , I saw him at Ostaggar , I saw him leaving everyone to die , and the zoom on the Villain Face.

Fine , maybe he had to save his men .Who cares.

Later , my warden and Alistair tries to gather people to save Ferelden , Loghain send assassin to kill us.What did I do to this guy exactly?

Later I vaguely learn Loghain suffers a case of paranoia about some invisible Orlesians...maybe.

The Landmeets happen , I chop Loghain head off without second thought , the man has been trying to kill my wardens for no bloody reasons since day 1.

 

Later I bought the books shading lights on Loghain .

Oh well now I understand what was going on! The orlesians occupation was horrible for Ferelden , Loghain got his father killed and mother raped in front of him by orlesians! That would make anyone a bit mad and not mentally stable.

Oh right he's paranoid about Grey Warden because they ran away with Marric and did some shady things with the Architect!He has an history with wardens and a bad one!

Oh Orlais has been using blights to invade other nations  , that's how they build an empire!Loghain think the Blight is an excuse for another invasion!

 

Still everytime I replay DAO , I kill Loghain , the warden get none of those information clearly during the game.

Loghain come across as a lunatic who tries to kill the wardens for no good reasons.

 

It's funny. I read The Stolen Throne before playing DAO. The Calling was not yet out. It came much latter, after Awakening in fact. I had a moderately high opinion of Loghain going into the game. However everything he does in the game, even after all this time, just makes so little sense to me. I understand why he is so obsessed with keeping Orlais out, even at the cost of....everything else. He poisoned Eamon before he even went to Ostagar. He insists he has to sell the Elves to Tevinter because the Kingdom is kinda broke...because he spent everything on the Civil War HE started and hiring Assassins and lackeys to try and kill you all the time....so...no that's total crap reasoning. Having lived under the heel of Orlais, being treated like a Slave, he should be the LAST person to sell others into Slavery. Unless of course he does not consider the Elves people. Then that is an entirely different brush to paint him in. Really I could go one for whole paragraphs about how Loghain makes no freaking sense, but I don't want yet ANOTHER Wall O Text post in this thread just yet lol.  

[TheRevanchist]

During the second Blight , Drakon took part of the Anderfels after saving the place from Darkspawn.

During the third Blight , Orlais took the city of Nevarra .

 

Ah, ironically I have both WoT books, but I guess I somehow missed these facts among the massive swath of info they provide. 

[Evamitchelle]

Ah, ironically I have both WoT books, but I guess I somehow missed these facts among the massive swath of info they provide. 

 

I think they only talk about it in the timeline at the bottom of each page, which are pretty easy to overlook. 

[Reznore57]

It's funny. I read The Stolen Throne before playing DAO. The Calling was not yet out. It came much latter, after Awakening in fact. I had a moderately high opinion of Loghain going into the game. However everything he does in the game, even after all this time, just makes so little sense to me. I understand why he is so obsessed with keeping Orlais out, even at the cost of....everything else. He poisoned Eamon before he even went to Ostagar. He insists he has to sell the Elves to Tevinter because the Kingdom is kinda broke...because he spent everything on the Civil War HE started and hiring Assassins and lackeys to try and kill you all the time....so...no that's total crap reasoning. Having lived under the heel of Orlais, being treated like a Slave, he should be the LAST person to sell others into Slavery. Unless of course he does not consider the Elves people. Then that is an entirely different brush to paint him in. Really I could go one for whole paragraphs about how Loghain makes no freaking sense, but I don't want yet ANOTHER Wall O Text post in this thread just yet lol.  

 

My view about this is the orlesians occupation and everything he had to sacrifice for Ferelden just broke him .

I mean he saw his father , mother and dog butchered by Orlesians , with no way at the time to ask for any justice.

Then he fell in love with someone but has to let her go for the sake of Ferelden.

 

I don't think his action make sense in Origins , I think he suffers from a very bad case of paranoia and act like a lunatic.

The books just helped me understand why he was broken.

Still I chop his head everytime because my warden doesn't know what's going with him .

[TheRevanchist]

My view about this is the orlesians occupation and everything he had to sacrifice for Ferelden just broke him .

I mean he saw his father , mother and dog butchered by Orlesians , with no way at the time to ask for any justice.

Then he fell in love with someone but has to let her go for the sake of Ferelden.

 

I don't think his action make sense in Origins , I think he suffers from a very bad case of paranoia and act like a lunatic.

The books just helped me understand why he was broken.

Still I chop his head everytime because my warden doesn't know what's going with him .

 

The Human Noble is the ONLY Origin where I even CONSIDER sparing him. Even then it is not often. I say this because, as a human noble from Ferelden, he has surely been educated about the War with Orlais, and how mazaing and heroic Loghain is. At the start of the game, I always imagine the human noble being sort of star struck at first, I mean this is the freaking Hero of River Dane. Loghain earned that title, he absolutely earned it. I feel the Noble would know about him, absolutely, since he would be a great source of pride for Ferelden leading up to the events of Origins. I always imagine my Noble going through this internal crisis about the issue "b-but...hes the Hero of River Dane! How could HE do THIS!?!" But since Loghain just continues to act like a cackling lunatic towards the party the entire game, any and all sense of appreciation for Loghain is washed away from the Noble by the time of Landsmeet, until only disgust and perhaps a bit of pity remains. That small bit of pity is the reason I sometimes spare him. Because despite it all...despite all that he did...in the eyes of my Noble....he IS still The Hero of River Dane... I don't know if that makes any sense. But figured I would TRY to explain why I sometimes (if rarely) spare him. In the words of Ser Cauthrien, "There would be no Ferelden without Loghain". These words resonate with my Noble when he walks into that Landsmeet,

[Finis Valorum]

i honestly don't get it why finding someone solas does not know means we have to introduce a new PC. True, it would be unwise to keep the same inquisition to fight against solas,  but the inquisitor can always recruit someone new, form a new team.

Let's just say Illusive man had rebuilt Shepard's body, even kept a copy and oversaw Shepard and his/her team during ME2, not to mentioned he had already been watching and collecting data about Shepard before that. I bet both reaper and illusive man have most detailed report of Shepard and his/her team, and does that mean we have to replace Shepard and his group for someone new to take command of Normandy?

 

I think that at least when finally confronting Solas it has to be he and the inquisitor and we should have control of quizzy, especially if you want to redeem him.

First as a new random hero who shares not time as companion/friend/lover with Solas it makes no sense that he/she does not see Solas as some pure evil such as Cory, and for Solas high approval/romance quizzy is the very reason that he changed his mind and began to view modern races as real people, I don't see in any way a new PC can gain a higher impact on Solas over high approval/romance inquisitor.

IF ANYONE COULD CONVINCE SOLAS THERE IS ANOTHER WAY, IT HAS TO BE THE INQUISITOR.

 

Not to mention it would just be a disaster if we have our quizzy swear to save Solas at the end of Trespasser and just pat someone's shoulder "nah i have some other important matters to look after, handle that egg head however you like"  in DA4

 

Some may argue there might be no way to save Solas at all so it doesnt matter...but as i mentioned before, it is the perspective that matters. From  a new PC's POV there is only a standard baddie of the week: an ancient, immortal and extremely powerful mage who would like to destroy this world so he can rebuild a lost world of his own (sounds familiar right?) You don't invest a whole game and even add a romance to build a character and just put him on a normal baddie seat later.

 

Depends on who and what that new PC is. To make it personal for the new player just have something Solas did destroy their previous life, with all that entails.

If you want them to have a connection to Solas that is as, or more, significant than the Inquisitor, have the new PC be possessed by the soul and or spirit of Elgar'nan, similar to how the mortal Flemeth was once possessed by Mythal. That would make it doubly personal and provide the connection to Solas.

[Hattress]

Depends on who and what that new PC is. To make it personal for the new player just have something Solas did destroy their previous life, with all that entails.

If you want them to have a connection to Solas that is as, or more, significant than the Inquisitor, have the new PC be possessed by the soul and or spirit of Elgar'nan, similar to how the mortal Flemeth was once possessed by Mythal. That would make it doubly personal and provide the connection to Solas.

 

...but so far the only member of Evanuris who Solas don't regard as a a-hole is Mythal who is murdered...i tried to find special connections between Solas and Elgar'nan but failed...isn't Elgar'nan also banished by Solas with other Evanuis?

Any if a mortal is possessed by Elgar'nan, why he would want to stop Solas...

[Neres]

If there are city elves joining Solaswolf, I believe it will be likely that some of them will sneak back into the Imperium and cause a ruckus. Then there's your link between a new character and Solas.

[Smudjygirl]

...but so far the only member of Evanuris who Solas don't regard as a a-hole is Mythal who is murdered...i tried to find special connections between Solas and Elgar'nan but failed...isn't Elgar'nan also banished by Solas with other Evanuis?

Any if a mortal is possessed by Elgar'nan, why he would want to stop Solas...

 

Elgar'nan was supposedly Mythal's husband and is the leader of the creators. That makes him Solas' enemy, as he is one of the ones who killed Mythal

[MKDAWUSS]

The Human Noble is the ONLY Origin where I even CONSIDER sparing him. Even then it is not often. I say this because, as a human noble from Ferelden, he has surely been educated about the War with Orlais, and how mazaing and heroic Loghain is. At the start of the game, I always imagine the human noble being sort of star struck at first, I mean this is the freaking Hero of River Dane. Loghain earned that title, he absolutely earned it. I feel the Noble would know about him, absolutely, since he would be a great source of pride for Ferelden leading up to the events of Origins. I always imagine my Noble going through this internal crisis about the issue "b-but...hes the Hero of River Dane! How could HE do THIS!?!" But since Loghain just continues to act like a cackling lunatic towards the party the entire game, any and all sense of appreciation for Loghain is washed away from the Noble by the time of Landsmeet, until only disgust and perhaps a bit of pity remains. That small bit of pity is the reason I sometimes spare him. Because despite it all...despite all that he did...in the eyes of my Noble....he IS still The Hero of River Dane... I don't know if that makes any sense. But figured I would TRY to explain why I sometimes (if rarely) spare him. 

Loghain is mentioned periodically during the HN origin. But I don't really recall him being built up as a major hero in that brief period.

[TheRevanchist]

Loghain is mentioned periodically during the HN origin. But I don't really recall him being built up as a major hero in that brief period.

 

lol no, of course not. It is merely head canon because it makes total sense for the character to think that way at that point.

[Wulfram]

I'm glad to see Loghain discussions can still hijack a Dragon Age thread.

[TheRevanchist]

I'm glad to see Loghain discussions can still hijack a Dragon Age thread.

 

Weird how that happens isn't it? It didn't even occur to me that I was doing it lol.

[Finis Valorum]

No, it's not. There's nothing about this that can be "simply" replaced. The new random yokel doesn't know Solas, and Solas doesn't know them. They never fought beside him when he was still little more than a normal mage, as vulnerable as any other. They never caught a blow that was meant for him, nor were they shielded by his magic in turn. They never guarded his sleep or he theirs. They never listened to his stories or joked with him. They never argued philosophy, politics or religion with him. They didn't share a roof or a meal with him even once, never mind for three years. They didn't gripe together about the task of trying to wash swamp filth from their clothes before giving up and burning them instead. They didn't spent weeks trudging through the mountains with him at their side, leading a group of ragtag survivors to a new home. They didn't change his mind about modern-day people indeed being people, nor did he change theirs about spirits being people. They were never friends.

 

Nothing can match this, not without making another whole game about establishing Solas both as his own person and in the context of his relationship with the new protagonist -- and even then, it would lack the changes an Inquisitor can work on his mindset. This connection is something that Bioware has never had in a game before, it would be a complete travesty to throw it away instead of resolving both characters' story arcs as one because they have become one by now.

 

That's where you might be wrong. It's possible that the new protagonist at the end of whatever it is that Solas or his followers do to destroy their former live gets somehow fused together with one of the other old Elven gods, like the mortal Flemeth once was with Mythal, Elgar'nan might be the most thematically appropriate for this. One of the forgotten/forbidden ones, particularly "the Formless One" would be appropriate for this as well. Solas tearing down the veil would possibly allow for something like this to happen. If the new guy now has the soul and or spirit, of one of the other old elven gods in him/her, whether main pantheon or forgotten ones, that instantly creates a connection that is as personal as the one the Inquisitor has forged. It also gives the new guy access to knowledge and possibly powers that allow him to face Solas on his own turf and potentially win.....something the Inquisitor was not able to do.

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Elgar'nan was supposedly Mythal's husband and is the leader of the creators. That makes him Solas' enemy, as he is one of the ones who killed Mythal

 

Yeah...but before Elgar'nan tear Solas apart and fed on his flesh, i believe he wholeheartedly support the idea of tearing down the veil and clean up modern races as appetizer, so he and the rest of  Evanuris to rule as god again -- also toast the dread wolf together...

So that obviously don't fit the redemption part ... it's always easy to deal with Solas if you just want to kill him....

By the way I really feel PC being possessed by one of Evanuris is a terrible idea

Still, when talking about redemption ... still can't figure out anyone who could beat quizzy