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[Smudjygirl]

That's where you might be wrong. It's possible that the new protagonist at the end of whatever it is that Solas or his followers do to destroy their former live gets somehow fused together with one of the other old Elven gods, like the mortal Flemeth once was with Mythal, Elgar'nan might be the most thematically appropriate for this. One of the forgotten/forbidden ones, particularly "the Formless One" would be appropriate for this as well. Solas tearing down the veil would possibly allow for something like this to happen. If the new guy now has the soul and or spirit, of one of the other old elven gods in him/her, whether main pantheon or forgotten ones, that instantly creates a connection that is as personal as the one the Inquisitor has forged. It also gives the new guy access to knowledge and possibly powers that allow him to face Solas on his own turf and potentially win.....something the Inquisitor was not able to do.

 

That's an interesting idea. But i think it would be stretching things a little too far just to get a new PC.

[Smudjygirl]

Yeah...but before Elgar'nan tear Solas apart and fed on his flesh, i believe he wholeheartedly support the idea of tearing down the veil and clean up modern races as appetizer, so he and the rest of  Evanuris to rule as god again -- also toast the dread wolf together...

So that obviously don't fit the redemption part ... it's always easy to deal with Solas if you just want to kill him....

By the way I really feel PC being possessed by one of Evanuris is a terrible idea

Still, when talking about redemption ... still can't figure out anyone who could beat quizzy  

 

I very much agree, but not everybody does.

[TheRevanchist]

That's where you might be wrong. It's possible that the new protagonist at the end of whatever it is that Solas or his followers do to destroy their former live gets somehow fused together with one of the other old Elven gods, like the mortal Flemeth once was with Mythal, Elgar'nan might be the most thematically appropriate for this. One of the forgotten/forbidden ones, particularly "the Formless One" would be appropriate for this as well. Solas tearing down the veil would possibly allow for something like this to happen. If the new guy now has the soul and or spirit, of one of the other old elven gods in him/her, whether main pantheon or forgotten ones, that instantly creates a connection that is as personal as the one the Inquisitor has forged. It also gives the new guy access to knowledge and possibly powers that allow him to face Solas on his own turf and potentially win.....something the Inquisitor was not able to do.

 

I will not even touch this, because making the new PC an Evanuris host is just...No...in far too many ways for me to go into....just no.

[Smudjygirl]

I will not even touch this, because making the new PC an Evanuris host is just...No...in far too many ways for me to go into....just no.

 

More importantly, why bother? If you want to resolve Solas with the same connection as the Inquisitor has, just use the Inquisitor. If not don't grasp at straws to find bizarre ways it "could" work. Don't you think?

[Hattress]

More importantly, why bother? If you want to resolve Solas with the same connection as the Inquisitor has, just use the Inquisitor. If not don't grasp at straws to find bizarre ways it "could" work. Don't you think?

By the way ... is there any one in remaining Evanuris our egg head would not tear his throat at first sight, not on top of Solas's a-hole list XD.

I never worry how next PC will stop Solas ... In RPG Games you always find a way to deal with super-strong villain.  

[Smudjygirl]

By the way ... is there any one in remaining Evanuris our egg head would not tear his throat at first sight, not on top of Solas's a-hole list XD.

I never worry how next PC will stop Solas ... In RPG Games you always find a way to deal with super-strong villain.  

 

Nope, i think they mutually hate each other. Releasing them will probably start a war....again.....good going Solas...

[Korva]

@Finis Valorum: No, it wouldn't create a remotely comparable personal connection, because whatever past Solas may have shared with such creatures, we haven't. Not as players, not as the actual new character in that (IMO completely unappealing) scenario. What makes the setup in Inquisition so brilliant is having experienced the formation of this bond between the Inquisitor and Solas as both the player and the protagonist. Take either side of the equation away and it falls apart.

 

I don't know you, but i think i may love you.

 

You put most of the "we want the Inquisitor back" crowds thoughts into words. Compellingly, too.

 

Thank you. In retrospect, I could have added some more points, but it works to get my meaning across anyway.

 

mmmm. Jade Empire. Now there is a game i want to play again

 

Same, it was great on many levels, although I do remember being annoyed at all the invisible walls in combat. And Henpecked Hou was one of Bioware's biggest f*ckups. Still, it remains one of the most interesting games Bioware ever made, refreshing in some ways that I wish had paid off more.

[Smudjygirl]

@Finis Valorum: No, it wouldn't create a remotely comparable personal connection, because whatever past Solas may have shared with such creatures, we haven't. Not as players, not as the actual new character in that (IMO completely unappealing) scenario. What makes the setup in Inquisition so brilliant is having experience the formation of this bond between the Inquisitor and Solas as both the player and the protagonist. Take either side of the equation away and it falls apart.

 

 

Thank you. In retrospect, I could have added some more points, but it works to get my meaning across anyway.

 

 

Same, it was great on many levels, although I do remember being annoyed at all the invisible walls in combat. And Henpecked Hou was one of Bioware's biggest f*ckups. Still, it remains one of the most interesting games Bioware ever made, refreshing in some ways that I wish had paid off more.

I'm out of likes, but i'm marking it for tomorrow.

[JasonPogo]

I still don't get why you NEED to have the Inquisitor as the main character to finish the Solas storyline.  The Inquisitor will more than likely be back again in DA4 in some capacity.  Then on the mission where you finally take out Solas you just bring the Inquisitor with you.  You know how Alistair and Hawke went with you in the fade.  Then before the big fight Solas and the Inquisitor get there big stand off as well as after the fight the Inquisitor can say sorry or behead him. 

 

Now granted this poses some problems and I would hope that they would let us pick dialogue options for the Inquisitor but other than that seems like a fine solution to me.

[midnight tea]

I still don't get why you NEED to have the Inquisitor as the main character to finish the Solas storyline. 

 

... Because of personal relationship and intriguing parallels between Quizzy and Solas? We've got some really potent stuff here that and personally (and I think many here would agree) I'd hate to see that go to waste.

[JasonPogo]

... Because of personal relationship and intriguing parallels between Quizzy and Solas? We've got some really potent stuff here that and personaly (and I think many here would agree) I'd hate to see that go to waste.

 

Yeah that's great did you read the rest of my post.  Seeing as it addressed the points your making?

[Daerog]

The Solas story will likely just be a background story over the course of the next two or three games. The next protagonist is likely to be a Vint who will focus on saving Tevinter, from itself and the Qunari.

 

Solas is just the new Flemeth and the Inquisitor is the new Morrigan. Not that Morrigan is no longer around or anything.

[Bigdoser]

Still calling it now the new PC will get possessed by old god essence like Kieran. 

[JasonPogo]

Still calling it now the new PC will get possessed by old god essence like Kieran. 

 

How?

[Daerog]

New Character Creator options: United with mind of a Titan, United with an Old God soul, United with will of an elf god!

[Nefla]

If the next protagonist is not the inquisitor after the events of Trespasser, then the player of the next DA will not be me.

[Bigdoser]

How?

Well this is a good opportunity we are going to tevinter so obviously we are going to be dealing with the old gods at some point. Plus a note of interest is that Kieran says "no more bad dreams?" to flemeth when she takes the purified essence from him what kind of dreams did he have? Were they important? One more thing, solas is also not keen on the idea of grey wardens finding and killing the old gods and flemeth wanted its essence for some reason. Which leads me to believe that they are somehow connected to the ancient elves in some fashion

 

Plus I made a topic about what the quirk of the DA4 protaganist is going to be and the only thing I can come up with if they go the normal route is general of the tevinter armies since the Qunari are invading or if they wanted to go a more supernatrual route possessed by an old god. 

 

Plus I just feel being possessed by an old god will lead to some interesting events and possibly contending with a supernatural being who may or may not want to hijack your body. It would also make a good info dumper when certain events are revealed. :3

 

 

New Character Creator options: United with mind of a Titan, United with an Old God soul, United with will of an elf god!

 

Honestly I think its going to be one of these three things I am more leaning on the elf god or old god soul. 

[JasonPogo]

If the next protagonist is not the inquisitor after the events of Trespasser, then the player of the next DA will not be me.

 

Well then I guess you won't be playing DA4.

[Bigdoser]

Well then I guess you won't be playing DA4.

Indeed its highly likely the inquisitor is getting reduced to major supporting npc. 

[Nefla]

Well then I guess you won't be playing DA4.

Likely not, I definitely get the impression that they "maimed" the inquisitor as an excuse to cut her loose after building such a strong motivation and connection to the next game. It's a stupid decision imo. If they didn't intend to bring the inquisitor back, they should have left DA:I's ending as it was and started fresh for the next game.

[midnight tea]

Yeah that's great did you read the rest of my post.  Seeing as it addressed the points your making?

 

Yes, but you've addressed your own question in a way that feels insufficient. Inky showing up as NPC on last mission or something of the sort... it would do no justice to either new arc for Inky or one Solas has.

 

Hawke's relationship with Corypheus was that of an unfinished business as well as personal responsibility Hawke felt after unwittingly releasing him from his prison. That's about it.

 

What happens between Inky and Solas (be it on path of rivalry or friendship) is far more interesting. Corypheus is something of an anomaly - a power-mad darkspawn (as well as a pawn), who ironically gave the world another chance. But Solas is unarguably one of the most important people in all of Thedas: he changed entire world once already and plans to do it again. And he was a companion of Inquistor once. Whether Inquisitor wants to kill him or redeem him is an arc that seems to be worth a lot more, from story's perspective, than a cameo in one or two bigger missions on crit path.

[Bigdoser]

Likely not, I definitely get the impression that they "maimed" the inquisitor as an excuse to cut her loose after building such a strong motivation and connection to the next game. It's a stupid decision imo. If they didn't intend to bring the inquisitor back, they should have left DA:I's ending as it was and started fresh for the next game.

Well having a thing that can manipulate rifts with mear hand movements has to have a cost and I am quite happy that bioware went through with it. 

[Nefla]

Well having a thing that can manipulate rifts with mear hand movements has to have a cost and I am quite happy that bioware went through with it. 

Oh I'm happy that the inquisitor's arm was amputated, what upsets me is that BioWare seems to think that it makes a person helpless and did it not to add drama, loss, personal challenge or character but as an excuse to not let us play the inquisitor again.

[JasonPogo]

Yes, but you've addressed your own question in a way that feels insufficient. Inky showing up as NPC on last mission or something of the sort... it would do no justice to either new arc for Inky or one Solas has.

 

Hawke's relationship with Corypheus was that of an unfinished business as well as personal responsibility Hawke felt after unwittingly releasing him from his prison. That's about it.

 

What happens between Inky and Solas (be it on path of rivalry or friendship) is far more interesting. Corypheus is something of an anomaly - a power-mad darkspawn (as well as a pawn), who ironically gave the world another chance. But Solas is unarguably one of the most important people in all of Thedas: he changed entire world once already and plans to do it again. And he was a companion of Inquistor once. Whether Inquisitor want to kill him or redeem him is an arc seems to be worth a lot more, from story's perspective, than a cameo in one or two bigger missions on crit path.

 

I agree but still don't see how Inquisitor needs to be the main character of a whole game for this to be addressed.

[JasonPogo]

Oh I'm happy that the inquisitor's arm was amputated, what upsets me is that BioWare seems to think that it makes a person helpless and did it not to add drama, loss, personal challenge or character but as an excuse to not let us play the inquisitor again.

 

I don't think that is why Bioware did it at all.  Like you said the Inquisitor could still function with one arm.  They did it for story reasons that seem to fit just fine to me.  The power of the anchor was to much for your character and was killing them.  It would fallow that you need to get rid of it and even if it was not killing you why would Solas let you keep it?  You are working against him now no matter if you want to redeem or stop him.  He would not want you to have a power that can manipulate the veil.  That would prove rather annoying to him at this point. 

 

So yeah the point of removing the arm was not to gimp out your Inquisitor as an excuse not to use them again.