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[Nefla]

I don't think that is why Bioware did it at all.  Like you said the Inquisitor could still function with one arm.  They did it for story reasons that seem to fit just fine to me.  The power of the anchor was to much for your character and was killing them.  It would fallow that you need to get rid of it and even if it was not killing you why would Solas let you keep it?  You are working against him now no matter if you want to redeem or stop him.  He would not want you to have a power that can manipulate the veil.  That would prove rather annoying to him at this point. 

 

So yeah the point of removing the arm was not to gimp out your Inquisitor as an excuse not to use them again.

You have more faith than I do, we'll see.

[JasonPogo]

You have more faith than I do, we'll see.

 

They did not gimp the Warden or Hawke.  Why would they feel the need to gimp the Inquisitor to move to another?

[Nefla]

They did not gimp the Warden or Hawke.  Why would they feel the need to gimp the Inquisitor to move to another?

The plot of DA2 wasn't connected to the warden and I feel like most people didn't want to play as Hawke again despite there being a connection between Hawke and Corypheus (though much weaker than the connection between the inquisitor and Solas). If the premise of DA4 will be about stopping Solas then the inquisitor is intensely connected to it and if they want a new protagonist then BioWare needs a reason to get the inquisitor out of the way and I don't see the inquisitor missing a hand as being a legitimate reason. I don't want to play a random Tevinter with no connection. For a new plot with a new villain then yes I would want a new PC but for this one? Not playing the inquisitor is just a waste.

[BansheeOwnage]

The Solas story will likely just be a background story over the course of the next two or three games. The next protagonist is likely to be a Vint who will focus on saving Tevinter, from itself and the Qunari.

 

Solas is just the new Flemeth and the Inquisitor is the new Morrigan. Not that Morrigan is no longer around or anything.

Wow, this thread is just full of people coming back from the future to tell us how DA4 plays out. I think Solas being in the background of the next two or three entire games is ridiculous. If that's what they want, Trespasser was a waste of time.

[leaguer of one]

They did not gimp the Warden or Hawke.  Why would they feel the need to gimp the Inquisitor to move to another?

Because they planned ahead this time.

[Daerog]

Wow, this thread is just full of people coming back from the future to tell us how DA4 plays out. I think Solas being in the background of the next two or three entire games is ridiculous. If that's what they want, Trespasser was a waste of time.

 

Wow, forgive me for not saying "I think" or "I believe" or "My opinion is that" at the beginning of every post I make. I thought it was implied, but I guess not!

 

Why not have him in the background? BioWare has a lot of plots in the background for the past couple games already. Agents of Solas and agents of the Inquisitor could play roles in DA4 to stop the Qunari, get the thoughts of the protagonist on this secret war, and then the protagonist can sign up with the Inquisitor or remain neutral. That's at least one game where he is in the background, maybe there are more, maybe not. He could just get removed (killed or redeemed) like Flemeth did, in the background. They don't need to make him the Big Bad when they could have a Forbidden One or that one sun elf god be the Big Bad when Solas fails in his goals.

[Iakus]

Wow, this thread is just full of people coming back from the future to tell us how DA4 plays out. I think Solas being in the background of the next two or three entire games is ridiculous. If that's what they want, Trespasser was a waste of time.

Well when you think about it:

 

How much of a role did the Fifth BLight have in DA2

and how much did the Mage/Templar conflict have in DAI?

 

That Solas might not be the main focus of the next game is speculation, but it does follow a pattern

[Hanako Ikezawa]

On Twitter Patrick Weekes said if they get to make another Dragon Age game it will have Solas' story. 

[ModernAcademic]

Wow, this thread is just full of people coming back from the future to tell us how DA4 plays out. I think Solas being in the background of the next two or three entire games is ridiculous. If that's what they want, Trespasser was a waste of time.

 

For you, perhaps.

 

Some of the players who loved Trespasser enjoyed the character's development so much that they came to the Forum to express their contentment and share their expectations for the future. This is great news for the developers because it means they managed to please a part of the fanbase, something they strive very hard to achieve.

 

I don't see why those people's views and opinions deserve to be called ridiculous. If you feel bothered by them, then simply ignore them. There's no need to offend people.

 

 

 

 

You have a romanced Cullen as your avatar. How would you feel if someone called your Inquisitor ridiculous for romancing "a Disney prince", as Cullen haters usually call him?

[BansheeOwnage]

Wow, forgive me for not saying "I think" or "I believe" or "My opinion is that" at the beginning of every post I make. I thought it was implied, but I guess not!

 

Why not have him in the background? BioWare has a lot of plots in the background for the past couple games already. Agents of Solas and agents of the Inquisitor could play roles in DA4 to stop the Qunari, get the thoughts of the protagonist on this secret war, and then the protagonist can sign up with the Inquisitor or remain neutral. That's at least one game where he is in the background, maybe there are more, maybe not. He could just get removed (killed or redeemed) like Flemeth did, in the background. They don't need to make him the Big Bad when they could have a Forbidden One or that one sun elf god be the Big Bad when Solas fails in his goals.

I apologize for that, I was a bit annoyed at other things at the time.

Sure, Bioware could write him into the background if they wanted, they can do anything. I just think it would be a bad decision, for the reasons already stated all over this thread. And I'd be even more disappointed if he wasn't the primary antagonist or if he dies or fails off-screen. You don't build all of this stuff up only to throw it away.

 

Well when you think about it:

 

How much of a role did the Fifth BLight have in DA2

and how much did the Mage/Templar conflict have in DAI?

 

That Solas might not be the main focus of the next game is speculation, but it does follow a pattern

The Fifth Blight forced the Hawke family to leave Ferelden, setting the game in motion, and by the time the prologue was over, so was the Blight. So it had as much of a role as it needed to. And I would consider the mage-templar conflict barely appearing in DA:I to be a bad thing, actually.

 

On Twitter Patrick Weekes said if they get to make another Dragon Age game it will have Solas' story. 

Also that.

[midnight tea]

I am assuming the Inquisitor days of fighting are over with unless Bioware give them a magical arm.

 

Regardless this remind me of Suikoden 3. You can play 3 different paths of the main heroes. Then you come to a certain point in the story where you can choose  from one of the 3 main characters to finish the game with as the main hero. I wouldn't mind something like that in the next DA game using the Warden,Hawke,Inquisitor and a new protoganists. If you for whatever reason killed off your Hawke or Warden well then you just dont have that chance to play as them.

 

Such scenario is probably too complicated to create for a large RPG, but I wouldn't mind seeing something like it, even if we'd have to choose between, say, Inquisitor and new DA4 protagonist.

[BansheeOwnage]

For you, perhaps.

 

Some of the players who loved Trespasser enjoyed the character's development so much that they came to the Forum to express their contentment and share their expectations for the future. This is great news for the developers because it means they managed to please a part of the fanbase, something they strive very hard to achieve.

 

I don't see why those people's views and opinions deserve to be called ridiculous. If you feel bothered by them, then simply ignore them. There's no need to offend people.

 

You have a romanced Cullen as your avatar. How would you feel if someone called your Inquisitor ridiculous for romancing "a Disney prince", as Cullen haters usually call him?

Well, yes. To me.

 

That's actually also the reason I'm here.

 

I apologized below, though I don't hold that against you since I posted after.

 

Well, my canon Inquisitor is actually single, but yes, that's my avatar, regardless. My point is that I don't feel that strongly about other people's opinions about romances since I take it less personally, though I would be confused as to why they would bother saying something like that. But I guess that's your point, so I'll just say that I concede and I apologized. Sorry for the off-topic.

[Hattress]

 

The Fifth Blight forced the Hawke family to leave Ferelden, setting the game in motion, and by the time the prologue was over, so was the Blight. So it had as much of a role as it needed to. And I would consider the mage-templar conflict barely appearing in DA:I to be a bad thing, actually.

 

 

I felt in the same way, it is kind of a waste to threw it so easily ... but I guess it is because this issue is an endless debate that both sides hold some good reasons ... Bioware can add more stories favor either mage or templar but there is no way to really solve it under the current  state of Thedas (well ironically it seems this conflict would not exist anymore if Solas succeed )

Besides, the conflict actually results in a series of consequences:  conclave is where our story begins, then the mage-templar war leaves both mages and templars venerable to Cory ... you can feel the impact and aftermath of the conflict until the end of story when one of your companions is made new divine ...    

[Jaron Oberyn]

On Twitter Patrick Weekes said if they get to make another Dragon Age game it will have Solas' story.

Patrick Weekes says they will bring closure to his story if they do another DA. So I'm not sure why people think solas will be a background villain in the next couple of games. DA4 should it be greenlit will undoubtedly focus on him if they plan to wrap him up in that title as they declared. The game will obviously have a political front (such as inquisitions Mage vs Templar conflict) but the true threat will be Solas. Also given sandals prophecy, and the finality of Solas' intended actions I wouldn't be surprised of this is the last DA game. Bioware is also developing a new franchise, and Mass Effect is starting off a new trilogy. Its doubtful they have enough people to sustain the development of 3 rpg franchises going forward. (And don't forget swtor)

[BansheeOwnage]

Patrick Weekes says they will bring closure to his story if they do another DA. So I'm not sure why people think solas will be a background villain in the next couple of games. DA4 should it be greenlit will undoubtedly focus on him if they plan to wrap him up in that title as they declared. The game will obviously have a political front (such as inquisitions Mage vs Templar conflict) but the true threat will be Solas. Also given sandals prophecy, and the finality of Solas' intended actions I wouldn't be surprised of this is the last DA game. Bioware is also developing a new franchise, and Mass Effect is starting off a new trilogy. Its doubtful they have enough people to sustain the development of 3 rpg franchises going forward. (And don't forget swtor)

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I would be sad if Dragon Age ends before Mass Effect, considering it started later and my interest in ME has been destroyed. Dragon Age is now my favourite franchise. Do we know the new ME will be the start of a trilogy for sure?

[Mr.House]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I would be sad if Dragon Age ends before Mass Effect, considering it started later and my interest in ME has been destroyed. Dragon Age is now my favourite franchise. Do we know the new ME will be the start of a trilogy for sure?

New trilogy for dem purple, orange and yellow endings.

[BansheeOwnage]

New trilogy for dem purple, orange and yellow endings.

I actually already made those... and every other colour too!

Too bad I couldn't record my own clips at the time though.

[Nixou]

You have a romanced Cullen as your avatar. How would you feel if someone called your Inquisitor ridiculous for romancing "a Disney prince", as Cullen haters usually call him?

 

 

Cullen isn't a Disney princess until Disney buys EA.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I actually already made those... and every other colour too!

Too bad I couldn't record my own clips at the time though.

It's the Mass Effect 1 Elevator music that makes it great. The elevators are getting their revenge for all the jokes made about them.

[JJDrakken]

Oh yes, have my 1 armed Tank or Bowman or Dual Dagger or 2H Sword Inquisitor come back and....what?  I can't block anymore, less you get some fancy ass wierd rig armor set up on my missing arm.  I can't use my bow anymore, what am I going do, hope for invention of Pistols?  Ok, I got 1 dagger...-twirls finger-  Let me go grab this oversize Axe and...oh wait, Im missing an arm.

 

Sure, can work for mages I guess, they can still crap lighting & breath fire or whatever, though all those fancy staff spin moves are out.

 

I just hate the fact they don't give an option to remove the anchor, other then, lop it off.  I didn't pick that option in Telltale's Walking Dead game, wouldn't here if I had a choice. 

 

I am fine with whatever choices you pick for Inquisition, sticks around, plays guards, says F off, or ends.  I highly dislike the fact all are characters in Bioware games end up dead, swept into purgatory, or considered halfwit useless tool.  Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor 3 biggest saviors in past decade+  Then end up either dead, daft, or dejected into nothing.

[Smudjygirl]

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I often say you know when a story is getting weak, because they start killing off the characters for a cheap emotional reaction. (not saying this is always true or true of this series)

 

The arm isn't a big thing, though. Bull was going to have a prosthetic originally. In a world of magic and with how advanced dwarven crafts are, i imagine it would have more functionality than the kinds we have here.

[Klinker1234]

Since finishing Trespasser, I have been brainstorming about the story for the next game.

 

1. Have a weakend (no arm, level 1) Inquisitor carry over from Inquisition. This would make sense since Trespasser ends with a Inquisitor vs The Dread Egg thing. The Inquisitor not having the epic equipment can be handwaved by saying that they couldn't travel to Tevinter with epic stuff like that (i.e. too suspicious traveling to Tevinter with a armor of +200% golden awesomeness). The whole no arm thing could be fixed by having the weakend (level 1) Inquisitor running around for the first couple of hours looking for a badass ancient magic Tevinter prosthetic made out of Lyrium or something (this new arm could grant a new ability tree like the Inquisitor tree in DAI, like doing that lyrium hand-of-death thing that Fenris did in DA2).

 

2. New character. This is the most likely in my opinion. With the Inquisitor taking a mentor/advisor role for the new character. Think a combination of Morrigan and Hawke from Inquisition with information about the enemy, acting as an advisor, but more involved in the plot than either Hawke or Morrigan (like a war table advisor maybe?). The new character would be recruited by the old Inquisitor or someone related to the Inquisition (Josephine/Leliana/Cullen/Scout Harding/The Inquisitor/Dorian/Iron Bull?/Varric?) on the basis of their origin story and not being "corrupted"/recuited by Solas.

 

A human mage could be from a Tevinter magister family (exactly the kind of person who would oppose Solas, recuited by Dorians faction in the Magisterium).

A human warrior/rogue could be a Tevinter gladiator or criminal from Minrathous (not Solas type, no magic also human).

A gladiator Tevinter could be recuited by Harding/Cullen after seeing the gladiator in action in the arena fighting like a boss.

A criminal Tevinter could be recuited on the promise of money/"We need someone with your connections in Minrathous"/We will get you out of jail if you come work for us", getting recuited by Leliana/new spymaster/Inquisitor. 

A dwarf could be working in the dwarven embassy/lyrium trade/carta in Minrathous (also not Solas type, no fade connection after all), getting recuited by Varric/Harding or Josephine with her diplomaticness.

A qunari could either be a Tal-Vasoth mercenary (we all know how Solas feels about the qunari after all), getting recuited by Iron Bull/Inquisitor (Tal-Vasoth mercenary angle similar to Inquisition or even a Ben-Hassrath agent sent to aid team anti-Solas, not likely though.)

A new elf character would also be interesting, since such a character could be a slave in Minrathous, who might even be sympathetic to Solas cause, but not willing to let the world burn (could be recuited on the basis of not knowing about Solas cause or even not having a chance to get "corrupted"/recuited by him, you know being a slave and all). 

 

In all the cases above getting recuited to team anti-Solas could be something like DAO with the player getting recuited by a Duncan-like character (Inquisitor/Inquisitor's friends/random middle man). I would be fine with the Inquisitor having a Ben Kenobi like role in the story as a mentor/advisor. Personally I think either a new character or continue playing the Inquisitor (Mass Effect-style) would be fine. Also I personally would really like to play a good (or an evil blood magic one) Tevinter magister (swaggering around Minrathous with Dorian). It would be fun to play as the good (or typical) Tevinter. Also playing a Tevinter who fights against Solas and his elves attempts to destroy the world, would have a aspect of history repeating it self to it (Maybe even harnassing the power of old Tevinter to do the whole Tevinter vs the Elves again). 

 

Sorry for long rambling post btw needed to get these ideas out my system afte Trespasser.

[Sir George Parr]

I'm fine with having a new main protagonist every game but I think BioWare is missing a huge opportunity.

I think BioWare is completely missing a huge and awesome opportunity to bring back old PC's as playable PC's should the story call for it. Basically treat them just like you had with Ciri in The Witcher. When the story calls for it, have the old PC playable for a short stretch of story to give a different POV on the overarching story. If that's with the Inquisitor or Hawke or the Warden, great.

Like, even if my Inquisitor smashing Solas' egghead against a rock in DA4, I'd want my Inquisitor somehow involved in a major way since he is the one guy with the closest emotional ties to Solas. Same way that I'd want to play as my Hero of Ferelden that romanced Morrigan if she gets up to major plot stuff in the future. Or Hawke if one of his companions became plot relevant. Doesn't have to be for any huge stretch of time but it would be far better to experience that stuff through one of your old PC's that has some emotional connection to those continuing characters than through some new PC that has no ties to continuing characters like Solas or Morrigan.


If BioWare did a clean break, Elder Scrolls style, between games, I'd be totally ok with a new PC every time out. But so long as they keep bringing back old companions and old love interests without the corresponding PC those companions are most closely tied to, its going to be an ongoing issue for me.

I do have the same problem with the games. The developers bringing back past companions, but without the player character particular to that companion. It takes a lot of fun out of encountering them again. As a new pc has no history with that companion. So if there's the opportunity to take inspiration from the Witcher and switch over to a former player character for part of the game and have a different perspective on the story would most welcome.

[Brockololly]

I do have the same problem with the games. The developers bringing back past companions, but without the player character particular to that companion. It takes a lot of fun out of encountering them again. As a new pc has no history with that companion. So if there's the opportunity to take inspiration from the Witcher and switch over to a former player character for part of the game and have a different perspective on the story would most welcome.

Even going beyond what the Witcher did, just look at something like Game of Thrones / ASoIaF. Ostensibly, the mantra that BioWare keeps touting about DA, that the series isn't about any one character but about the world, is basically the same as what you have in GoT / ASoIaF. You have basically the story of Westeros/Essos in a particular time that winds up taking place from the POV of multiple characters. But its about the characters there. And I feel like in an RPG, BioWare is potentially forgetting that fact. Its the characters, stupid. Without the characters and the player characters through which the player interacts with those characters, the world is worthless. Yet just mandating that each main entry only feature one and only one new Player Character meanwhile they're leaving companion plotlines and existing player character plotlines unresolved just seems almost negligent from a story telling standpoint, if they're deadset on the player never playing as an old Player Character ever again.

Dragging these old love interests and companions forward in the overarching story of DA while the corresponding Player Characters are left as generic cameos or conveniently off screen almost really deflates the sense of personal involvement you might have in the story. Dragging Solas forward is fine but dealing with him as some new guy almost certainly wouldn't be as powerful as if you were personally dealing with him again as a Lavellan that romanced him. Or conversely, if as a player you're stuck just watching through the new DA4 PC your old Inquisitor deal with Solas in some arbitrary way that BioWare just plot hammers home.

Doing multiple PCs a la The Witcher 3 would just make a ton of sense given for the series so long as BioWare seems unable to let go of old companions from past games. If they made a clean break from game to game, then I'd be more than fine with practically whole new casts every game too. But so long as they keep dragging forward old love interests like Solas, Morrigan, Leliana or Alistair and thrusting them in big main plot moments, its going to continue to frustrate and annoy me that the Player Characters that actually have relationships with those old companions are forever relegated to NPC status or conveniently off screen. I think its a tremendous waste of an opportunity and basically dodgy story telling more often than not.